We should have hired Klopp

[Skills]

"Insert Manchester United Manager" can't be expected to beat "Inset any random team" unless "inset some excuse".

Klopp beats Barcelona 4-0 without 2/3 of his attack. That's what a coach is meant to do, make do and get every inch out of the players he's got. Not buy a new team to beat to just scrape past midtable crap.

 

[Bastian]

Why is this thread still open? Of course we should have hired him. But we've got a clown controlling the club and he did not manage to persuade him with his Disneyland offer.

 

[Che Guevara]

Simply unbelievable. I don't know which was the greater Liverpool comeback, this or Istanbul.

 

[Wayne's World]

Best manager in the world.

As long as he stays there, Liverpool will be a huge contender for years to come

 

[reddevil702]

Our players are supposedly the blame for our season because they ain't good enough but klopp has a Liverpool side with Wijnaldum, Henderson, Fabinho and Milner in its midfield and Origi, Sane and Shaqiri in its attack beating Barcelona 3-0 and not by some fluke.

Don't worry we will be there once our attackers have the proper conditioning!

I can't stand Klopp but only because he's at Liverpool and not at United! We can only hope for a meltdown similar to his time at Dortmund.

 

[Loublaze]

Heavy metal football! That nutter is doing big things.

 

[Loublaze]

Best manager in the world.

As long as he stays there, Liverpool will be a huge contender for years to come

His name is not Guardiola. Save it for when they actually win the CL, but don't expect Ajax to hand it to them

 

[Che Guevara]

To stage such a fierce and unbelievable comeback without their best player. Simply unbelievable. And that cheeky corner, feck me!

 

[Roboc7]

Said when Moyes went this was the guy to hire, thing is we’re such a joke he’d probably have failed here.

 

[Abhinav]

We should have but the genius Ed Woodward managed to screw it up somehow. The man who keeps on giving.

 

[reddevil702]

Best manager in world! Swap him with any other manager and Liverpool would be nowhere near as good. Tactically great and players seem to love him.

 

[liamp]

Can't tell if this is a successful or unsuccessful WUM.

 

[BrilliantOrange]

Klopp wees 'megarijke clubs' af: 'Hij hekelde *** ze commercieel ingesteld waren'

Jürgen Klopp heeft in zijn periode bij Borussia Dortmund twee Europese topclubs afgewezen, vertelt voormalig Liverpool-spits Robbie Fowler. Fowler weet zeker *** Manchester United een van die clubs was.

'Ik interviewde hem een paar jaar geleden. Hij zei *** een paar megarijke clubs heeft afgewezen na Borussia Dortmund', schrijft Fowler in The Mirror. 'Ik weet zeker *** Manchester United een van die clubs was en waarschijnlijk was Real Madrid de andere. Hij hekelde het feit *** de clubs commercieel ingesteld waren. Hij zei *** hij gecharmeerd was van Liverpool omdat er balans was tussen geld om de top te bereiken en de geschiedenis en identiteit van de club.'

"Ik sprak met een paar andere clubs, maar die leken helemaal niet op voetbalclubs", zei Klopp destijds. "Het was meer marketing, imago. Je moet dit ondertekenen en *** ondertekenen. Ik dacht: wow, dit is niet het spel waar ik van houd."

"Het hoort allemaal bij het voetbal, maar het kan niet de eerste, twee, derde en vierde prioriteit zijn. Het gaat er in eerste instantie om *** het voetbal beter wordt. Daar ben ik goed in. De rest mag wat mij betreft gebeuren, maar is niet belangrijk voor mij."

(https://www.voetbalprimeur.nl/nieuw...elde-***-ze-commercieel-ingesteld-waren-.html)

Appearantly - according to Robbie Fowler - Jurgen Klopp claimed he turned down two 'Megaclubs' when he was at Dortmund, but rejected them because he thought the club were 'too commercial'.

'I spoke to a couple other clubs, but they didnt even look like footballclubs. It was more about marketing, image, you have to sign this, you have to sign that.. Thats not the game I love. Its all part of football, but that may not be the first, second, third, fourth priority. It should always be about football first.'

Fowler suggests Man Utd was one of those clubs..

Thoughts? Do you guys think this might be true?

If its true, its another direct hit in what United's problem has been over the last years.. The club isnt lead by people of whom football is their priority..

 

[Needham]

Admit it., even the Mourinho vs Guardiola thing was never really even a thing before Mourinho's 1st season here began. We all knew he'd never touch Guardiola if for no other reason than the squad quality catch up was so fierce. So for any manager to face Pep down and do it with a brilliant intimidating style is some achievement.

 

[pascell]

My thoughts? F*ck Robbie Fowler. Everyone already knows Klopp turned us down, no idea why it needs to be said so often.

 

[FrankDrebin]

It is true,is it not ?
Raphael Honigstein's book Klopp: Bring the Noise alludes to it.
Ed Woodward reportedly sold Manchester United as "like a adult version of Disneyland". Laughable.

 

[crossy1686]

My thoughts? F*ck Robbie Fowler. Everyone already knows Klopp turned us down, no idea why it needs to be said so often.

Liverpool should have hired Fergie. Revisionism is easy.

 

[Ban]

Old story.

 

[Revaulx]

Liverpool should have hired Fergie. Revisionism is easy.

When should this have happened?

When United hired him, Liverpool were league champions and FA Cup holders. So hardly in need of a new manager.

Going for Souness when Kenny resigned was, with the benefit of hindsight, monumentally stupid. At that time though United under Fergie had still only won one FA Cup, even though we were obviously on the up by then. So it’s unlikely Fergie would have been top of their list. There was no way Fergie would have left United for Liverpool or anyone else at that time as all his hard work was finally coming together.

So constructing a convincing revisionist scenario in which Liverpool should have hired Fergie would be far from easy.

 

[Pexbo]

I actually think that Disneyland quote has been lost in translation probably by both Klopp and our foreign fan base and then helped along by opposition fans and United supporters who will get hysterical about anything Woodward does.

“It’s like Disneyland for adults” is a common idiom in the English language and just means "the ultimate place you could imagine" or "the most exciting place in the world to be". It's a simple way of describing somewhere as being at the absolute peak while still having an element of joy and wonder about it. I've heard it used loads of times by adults describing things like a trip to New York/Tokyo/Ibiza and here's someone describing working at Google (the pinnacle tech firm) in exactly that way.

People have taken the words too literally and steeped it in exactly the connotations they want to fill the narrative around Woodward and United at the moment like "Americanised", "Plastic", "Commercialised" ect ect. Anyone aware of how that phrase is actually used all the time knows how daft it is to use it as a stick to beat Woodward with, especially when there are so many other high quality sticks already available.

If someone asked me about my recent trip to New York and I said "Yeah it was incredible, like Disneyland for adults" and their reply was "Disneyland?! What's wrong with you?! What a weird comparison, why is it good that it was like Disneyland?", I would think they were an absolute moron and completely incapable of decoding a basic simile or disingenuously disregarding the "for adults" bit to try and make me look like a tit.

 

[settembrini]

Whatever you think about the Disneyland quote (and I think it makes us sound tacky), we clearly made a right hash of things with Klopp. We let the perfect manager to rebuild us post-Ferguson join our biggest rivals ffs

 

[esmufc07]

I actually think that Disneyland quote has been lost in translation probably by both Klopp and our foreign fan base and then helped along by opposition fans and United supporters who will get hysterical about anything Woodward does.

“It’s like Disneyland for adults” is a common idiom in the English language and just means "the ultimate place you could imagine" or "the most exciting place in the world to be". It's a simple way of describing somewhere as being at the absolute peak while still having an element of joy and wonder about it. I've heard it used loads of times by adults describing things like a trip to New York/Tokyo/Ibiza and here's someone describing working at Google (the pinnacle tech firm) in exactly that way.

People have taken the words too literally and steeped it in exactly the connotations they want to fill the narrative around Woodward and United at the moment like "Americanised", "Plastic", "Commercialised" ect ect. Anyone aware of how that phrase is actually used all the time knows how daft it is to use it as a stick to beat Woodward with, especially when there are so many other high quality sticks already available.

If someone asked me about my recent trip to New York and I said "Yeah it was incredible, like Disneyland for adults" and their reply was "Disneyland?! What's wrong with you?! What a weird comparison, why is it good that it was like Disneyland?", I would think they were an absolute moron and completely incapable of decoding a basic simile or disingenuously disregarding the "for adults" bit to try and make me look like a tit.

Veiled attempt at telling the Caf you went to New York.

 

[Dan_F]

Will be interesting to see how long Pep and Klopp can last without burning themselves/the players out. Pep has shown previously that he doesn’t really have an interest in staying long term and Klopps Dortmund went completely downhill in the final season. Although, he lost key players, which you’d think wouldn’t happen at Liverpool.

 

[Pexbo]

Veiled attempt at telling the Caf you went to New York.

Also used to be a chef and have a Girlfriend, missed those out for some unknown reason.

 

[GBBQ]

Klopp wasn’t entirely convinced by that sales pitch — he found it a bit ‘unsexy’, he told a friend — but he didn’t dismiss the proposition out of hand either.

So there you have it, the Disneyland comparison was cringe-worthy but wasn't the deciding factor. Liverpool likely felt like a safer move; similar to Dortmund in that it was well established and well supported with potential to build a legacy but also without the immediate pressure to win.

 

[TRUERED89]

My thoughts? F*ck Robbie Fowler. Everyone already knows Klopp turned us down, no idea why it needs to be said so often.

Exactly, this is boring and tiresome now. Ed's 'Adult Disneyland' pitch blew it, OLD NEWS!

 

[Greck]

I actually think that Disneyland quote has been lost in translation probably by both Klopp and our foreign fan base and then helped along by opposition fans and United supporters who will get hysterical about anything Woodward does.

“It’s like Disneyland for adults” is a common idiom in the English language and just means "the ultimate place you could imagine" or "the most exciting place in the world to be". It's a simple way of describing somewhere as being at the absolute peak while still having an element of joy and wonder about it. I've heard it used loads of times by adults describing things like a trip to New York/Tokyo/Ibiza and here's someone describing working at Google (the pinnacle tech firm) in exactly that way.

People have taken the words too literally and steeped it in exactly the connotations they want to fill the narrative around Woodward and United at the moment like "Americanised", "Plastic", "Commercialised" ect ect. Anyone aware of how that phrase is actually used all the time knows how daft it is to use it as a stick to beat Woodward with, especially when there are so many other high quality sticks already available.

If someone asked me about my recent trip to New York and I said "Yeah it was incredible, like Disneyland for adults" and their reply was "Disneyland?! What's wrong with you?! What a weird comparison, why is it good that it was like Disneyland?", I would think they were an absolute moron and completely incapable of decoding a basic simile or disingenuously disregarding the "for adults" bit to try and make me look like a tit.

I think it's Klopp who took it badly. Back then he still used to hop around the touchline. Maybe he felt patronised that Ed would liken him to a child with that quote

 

[TRUERED89]

I actually think that Disneyland quote has been lost in translation probably by both Klopp and our foreign fan base and then helped along by opposition fans and United supporters who will get hysterical about anything Woodward does.

“It’s like Disneyland for adults” is a common idiom in the English language and just means "the ultimate place you could imagine" or "the most exciting place in the world to be". It's a simple way of describing somewhere as being at the absolute peak while still having an element of joy and wonder about it. I've heard it used loads of times by adults describing things like a trip to New York/Tokyo/Ibiza and here's someone describing working at Google (the pinnacle tech firm) in exactly that way.

People have taken the words too literally and steeped it in exactly the connotations they want to fill the narrative around Woodward and United at the moment like "Americanised", "Plastic", "Commercialised" ect ect. Anyone aware of how that phrase is actually used all the time knows how daft it is to use it as a stick to beat Woodward with, especially when there are so many other high quality sticks already available.

If someone asked me about my recent trip to New York and I said "Yeah it was incredible, like Disneyland for adults" and their reply was "Disneyland?! What's wrong with you?! What a weird comparison, why is it good that it was like Disneyland?", I would think they were an absolute moron and completely incapable of decoding a basic simile or disingenuously disregarding the "for adults" bit to try and make me look like a tit.

Oh please, "Disneyland for Adults" is not a common phrase and something I've never heard of until Ed said it to Klopp like a buffoon. Not surprised Klopp found United "un-sexy" after that stupid simile.

 

[crossy1686]

Oh please, "Disneyland for Adults" is not a common phrase and something I've never heard of until Ed said it to Klopp like a buffoon. Not surprised Klopp found United "un-sexy" after that stupid simile.

Klopp was Ed's dream too, sounds like it was a one way crush and Ed tried too hard to seduce him.

 

[red thru&thru]

We all know United under the current regime it's all about commercial. Unfortunately, they're no longer any good at that either.

 

[Spaghetti]

I would seriously rather be shit than have that chump in charge with his rehearsed “quirky” quotes and cringeworthy interviews.

This is not because he is Liverpool manager, it’s because he is an awful human.

 

[TRUERED89]

Klopp was Ed's dream too, sounds like it was a one way crush and Ed tried too hard to seduce him.

When you try too hard you look like a desperate cnut, no wonder he wasn't "turned on" by the unsexy United , great work yet again from no-neck potato face.

 

[Loon]

Be interesting to see if Klopp can rebuild once this side ages/is dismantled. Looks rosy at the moment...

 

[TRUERED89]

I would seriously rather be shit than have that chump in charge with his rehearsed “quirky” quotes and cringeworthy interviews.

This is not because he is Liverpool manager, it’s because he is an awful human.

Really? What's he done that's so awful apart from win the dippers a CL? Very intelligent, enthusiastic and passionate football man. Would have been fantastic for us.

 

[iHicksy]

I would seriously rather be shit than have that chump in charge with his rehearsed “quirky” quotes and cringeworthy interviews.

This is not because he is Liverpool manager, it’s because he is an awful human.

Wow, just wow.

 

[stepic]

I would seriously rather be shit than have that chump in charge with his rehearsed “quirky” quotes and cringeworthy interviews.

This is not because he is Liverpool manager, it’s because he is an awful human.

the only thing cringeworthy is this post. the state of it.

we would love the guy if he was United manager, particularly if he had brought the success he has brought Liverpool. end of story. to think otherwise is utter delusion.

 

[SteveJ]

If Klopp had failed at Liverpool, we'd be calling him a naive fool for this comment:

"I spoke to a couple other clubs, but they didnt even look like football clubs. It was more about marketing, image, you have to sign this, you have to sign that. Thats not the game I love. Its all part of football, but that may not be the first, second, third, fourth priority. It should always be about football first."

 

[buckooo1978]

I would seriously rather be shit than have that chump in charge with his rehearsed “quirky” quotes and cringeworthy interviews.

This is not because he is Liverpool manager, it’s because he is an awful human.

grow up

 

[Pexbo]

Oh please, "Disneyland for Adults" is not a common phrase and something I've never heard of until Ed said it to Klopp like a buffoon. Not surprised Klopp found United "un-sexy" after that stupid simile.

Just because you've never heard of doesn't mean it's not a common phrase. I agree that Woodward using it to Kloop was a faux pas though and a clear indication of his lack of experience and understanding of the role. Anyone who has any experience talking with people who have limited English should know that you keep it simple and avoid the nuances of dialect and locution. By being more cautious and formal with his words he could have avoided the misinterpretation.

I just think it's hilarious that people actually think that Woodward was trying to paint a literal comparison between Manchester United and Disneyland and all juvenile and commercial connotations that comes with rather than the completely innocuous meaning that phrase usually has.

 

[Cockney Phil]

Tailor made for the Scouses. He’s done a good job for them but no-never for me. Final season collapse in Germany was spectacularly bad and that reminds me of how bereft he became for ideas under severe pressure. A fair weather builder who has made good from an average squad and had some strong strategic buys. I think he would struggle to reconcile his freestyle character within a corporate (read money first) club like us. We would need an understanding DoF in place to give him the freedom. Woody prefers compliance in all things and that has become our leitmotiv more’s the pity.