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The Continual Fall Of Paul Gascoigne
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
Woah, that's insane! I'm not a lawyer but a quick google suggests the maximum for sexual assault is 10 years but this includes all sorts of things. People like Gascoigne need some sort of re-education!
Really? Hard to believe from my experiences there.
Well I "got" this and had a chuckle
It's from the same stable as the Monty Python psychiatrist: Look at arson - I mean, how many of us can honestly say that at one time or another he hasn't set fire to some great public building? I know I have.
Is Samuel L Jackson in this one as well?
Or even Hitchcock?
Sexual assault is classified as unwanted phyiscal contact with a sexual orientation. Forcefully kissing someone certainly falls under that category.
What you're probably thinking about as something resembling assault, is rape, which is a whole different class of crime and should not be mistaken for simple assault as classified in the criminal code.
So by the very definition of the term, the courts are going to decide if Gazzas wet lips being forced upon her classifies as A) Sexual and B) Assault.
Not knowing what he's been saying on that train, if he's been talking the dirty to her as well, the litigators can also choose to slap him with sexual harassment, but it does not seem like they are going that route this time.
But you know what, either way, just kissing someone like that is fked up and deserves a firm slap on the wrist, prefearably in the form of a community sentence (jail won't do him any good).
Some really strange ignorant posts in this thread, and I only hope you don't become addicted to something at some point in your life for someone to simply turn round to you and say "its your own fault". Take a step back and look at what an addict does, they spend most of their live's not remembering what they did the previous day, they hurt their own friends and family, they are slowly killing themselves, they are a shell of the person they used to be, then think why are they like this, why would they want to be like this?
The truth is its a fecking horrible cycle of substance abuse, then loathing yourself for it and substance abuse to get through the rest of your life.
The truth is its a fecking horrible cycle of substance abuse, then loathing yourself for it and substance abuse to get through the rest of your life.
Must not have been recent experiences. The rape and crimes against women laws were amended and made stricter a few years ago after a particularly horrific gang rape of a woman in Delhi referred to as the “nirbhaya” case.
Woman are clearly seen still as second class in India, while public rapes thankfully don't go unpunished woman still suffer from domestic violence that goes unreported and woman are a clear second to men.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jul/02/india-most-dangerous-country-women-survey
That is a very skewed article which portrays India in a very bad light. The laws are quite strict and women centric in India. I mean if tou lived here for an extended period you would know the problems faced by men with regards to laws which are quite punitive to men. Just as an example when a marriage goes south the wife can and usually does register domestic violence and dowry cases against the husband and his family. The family cannot even get bail when arrested under those laws. Yeah we can argue that the reportage of these crimes might be low in India. But then that’s for another topic completely. Let’s not derail this thread with a discussion on Indian societal issues. The fact if the matter is that under the new rape laws, staring at a woman for an extended period is classified as sexual assault.
"I have had it with these mother fecking rapists on this mother fecking train!"
Would watch
Addiction is crippling! He's obviously in the wrong and needs to be punished accordingly if found guilty, but he clearly can't stop even if deep down he wants to.
Prison might be good for him in a way, but if you take booze away from someone like that, suicide becomes a serious possibility. It's a no win situation really and shows just how bad addiction can get.
Prison might be good for him in a way, but if you take booze away from someone like that, suicide becomes a serious possibility. It's a no win situation really and shows just how bad addiction can get.
Calm down snowflake. It was a play on words and he’s just committed a nasty assault on an innocent woman.
I couldn’t care less what he does as long as he behaves himself which he obviously can’t.
I couldn’t care less what he does as long as he behaves himself which he obviously can’t.
Yeah, seems so actually!
Not going to even pretend I know anything about the law in India, all I know is that I've met a few girls who travelled round India a bit without male accompaniment and they said a lot of the men were vile. As in, noticeably more than every other country they'd been to, and there are plenty of men who are vile to women in every country.
Strange thread and some stranger posts. A lot on here appear to have sympathy for the drunken scrote who committed a sexual assault rather than the victim.
There seems to be little sympathy for the victim here. Poor old Gazza however???
Maybe if she was better at keepy uppy people would feel different. Whilst I sympathize with his situation if he can’t behave decently in ordinary society maybe he should not be allowed in it until he can!
just imagine guys if it was your daughter he was all over!!!
Maybe if she was better at keepy uppy people would feel different. Whilst I sympathize with his situation if he can’t behave decently in ordinary society maybe he should not be allowed in it until he can!
just imagine guys if it was your daughter he was all over!!!
The tread is about the "fall of Paul Gascoigne", a person . Of course people will be giving their opinion on him over the nameless person he kissed.
As far as "poor old Gazza" goes, you must have missed the posts that hoped he would die.
Alcohol or otherwise we are responsible for our actions. He is clearly on a downward spiral which shows no sign of stopping. Alcoholism is a terrible illness/disease which shows the afflicted no mercy.
He was apparantly visiting Rangers a week ago. Looks pretty good to me.
I agree. And this is a topic close to my heart. (And one that's constantly on my mind at the moment)
I'm currently tapering off of a long-term, high-dose regimen of prescription benzodiazepines, which anyone with experience of different drug withdrawal syndromes will tell you is the absolute apex of difficulty. I have a remarkable predisposition towards easy withdrawal, which I discovered after using heaps of different drugs in my teenage years. Strong opioids, ampethamine derivatives, tobacco[1], and even the shortest half-life, highest affinity selective serotonin releasing agents are all trivial compared to benzodiazepines. The amount of excitotoxicity caused by quitting incorrectly can end in permanent brain damage or death.
It's all willpower. It's all about how much desire you have to quit relative to the difficulty of quitting and the ease of continuing. Anyone who can't get off of drugs (which, of course, includes alcohol) just doesn't want it enough.
Alcoholism runs in my family - though I've never had time for it - and it's had a devastating effect on my personal life. I pin 100% of the blame for that on the people responsible for drinking. There's always the option of, y'know, not drinking. Hell, with short-course diazepam, medicine can make the physical withdrawal process a breeze. After that, the only thing left is the psychological attachment to drinking and the need to resist relapse, which is entirely on you (though we even have opioid receptor antagonists to help with that part too). I have no patience for people who claim they "can't" quit drinking.
I'm a research neuroscientist with a keen interest in the kappa/dynorphin system and its modulatory effect on addiction so I'm the opposite of uninformed, but I prefer to draw on real experiences I've had and witnessed firsthand, of which there are many, to give my unempirically verified opinion.
[1] Tobacco's a bit of a bastard too. I quit smoking this year and I'd probably put it a distant second behind benzos for difficulty.
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This is the sort of mentality which will lead me to teach Krav Maga and Muay Thai to my baby girl by the time she hits age 6. Anyone trying that on her will find that fines and community service will be least of their problem.
What mentality...?? that I condone it or think what he did was acceptable or somehow warranted?
I dont. Its unacceptable,unwanted and wrong and he should be punished. If that meant he gets a swift kick in the stones from someone or legal punishment then so be it.
All I'm saying is my opinion on it is that from what I've read I doubt a sexual intent to the assault. Its assault and harassment. He's a drunken fool that's not very bright. He should 100% be punished.
There was a boxer Pulev that did the same thing to a reporter in May on TV. Actually grabs the woman and plants a kiss on her. Totally unacceptable but he didn't get put in jail. Im not sure he even went to court.
Look Gazza is a fool and he needs a good belt in the chops for this sort of behaviour. Its 100% wrong and unacceptable.
He needs to be punished accordingly but all I'm saying is I don't believe sex was his aim in this incident. i could be wrong.
He looks more and more like Emperor Palpatine with each passing day.
I don't quite get the 'assault' thing in this case. It's not a nice thing to do, kissing people like that out of the blue. And this woman has every right to feel the way she feels about it, and I can see, why it was unpleasant being kissed by a stranger like that. But that doesn't make it an assault. He wasn't violent against her. He didn't punch her, or beat her up in any way. And the sexual assault thing is overblown too. A kiss is not sex. Either way you put it, calling this a sexual assault is not right either.
We should absolutely not go and kiss or touch other people like that, and it shouldn't be allowed. But there must be a line somewhere imo, where we distinguish between an assault, or a sexual assault, and a kiss that was unwelcome and felt unpleasant.
We should absolutely not go and kiss or touch other people like that, and it shouldn't be allowed. But there must be a line somewhere imo, where we distinguish between an assault, or a sexual assault, and a kiss that was unwelcome and felt unpleasant.
You don't seem to get it. The focus is not on the act itself but rather the the mentality behind it which isn't different from rape. The guy doing such act does it because he feels he can dominate a person and get away with it. A slap at the wrist kinds of reinforces that mentality. It's a shame that this fool did not try his act on some of the women I trained with. He would live the rest of his life eating the way he likes to live his life ie drinking it.
And I'm sick of people (mostly British) using drinking as an excuse to lightening things up. I had my share of binge drinking myself and I assure you I was always in control of my actions. I didn't expected people to live up with the consequences of my actions either
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Just over a year ago. Most uncomfortable my wife has ever felt, groups of men following us around staring, guys trying to secretly take photos of her, men walking next to us so they could brush against her. Wouldn't hold anything up about India's treatment of women as something for the UK to follow.
I don't think you get it. A kiss and a rape is not the same thing no matter what the mentality is behind it.
The intent behind it is very similar ie to force a vulnerable person into something she doesn't want to be in.
I suppose some people, vulnerable or not, often feels forced into doing something they don't really want. And in life, we all meet jerks, who try to dominate others in many different ways. All I am saying is, that we should distinguish a kiss from a rape.
Forcing someone to do something against their will through sexual means have a title ie sexual predators. They should be treated as so
Me neither. Having seen how detrimental alcoholics can be to their nearest and dearest, I’ve perhaps wrongly lost all tolerance I have with alcoholics and have no sympathy. Maybe it’s emotion over logic but that’s the current state of mind I have with them.
Alcoholics cannot just stop drinking, that could result in a seizure that could lead to death. Gazza is well past that stage where "just stopping" is an option I'm afraid. He needs specialist help and meds.
All that and some more happens in India. Don’t get me wrong. I am not saying that india is a shining light in how to treat women. All i am saying is that the laws here treat unsolicited kissing as sexual assault and that carries a serious prison term which was refuted by the poster i was replying to.
Are you telling me that Gascoigne is a sexual predator for this incident, and that he should be treated as such? Are you putting him in line with people who raped someone? I think that's an insult to women who've actually been raped, calling this the same thing.
He should yes. He shouldn't be treated as a rapist does but its still a very serious thing he did and should be punished accordingly.
As said, its a shame he didn't tried this BS with someone who can actually defend herself. Believe me, there are women out there that if irked the wrong way they would make sure that alcoholism would be the least of his problem. There again, I've seen how the British police act with these drunken bums. From what I've seen she would probably end up arrested for defending herself and he would probably have a pat on his head.
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No. They think he should be held accountable for his actions and at the same time recognising that addiction is an illness and not purely a personal weakness especially once you are addicted.
You got a (rather lenient) warning for your last ignorant and nasty post, after being given the benefit of the doubt earlier in the thread.
I suggest you wind your neck in.
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I had my share of binge drinking myself when I was young and I also have friends who work as social workers in that particular field . The addiction you're speaking off don't push people to commit sexual assaults.
Not directly but it doesn't mean you are fully in control either. And nobody (hopefully) is suggesting that he hasn't commited a crime - presumably sexual assault (even if at the milder end of the spectrum) - for which he should be suitably punished.
It still doesn't mean that addiction, particularly when in fullflight, is no more than a weakness of personality.