When Martial returns...

[Mailo]

When is he due to return? It's been ages.

 

[Sky1981]

I reckon Ole ideally wants them all to rotate and cause confusion for the opposition.
But given what we have, Rashford on the right makes most sense with him drifting in.

If they rotate it'll be us that's confused

 

[Sayros]

The RW has been an issue forever it feels like, so might as well throw Rashford or whoever in there, rotate some players around that position and leave James and Martial to their respective positions.

The thing I keep saying with James though is that his starting role is deserved right now, but we have to see how he adapts to defenses once they start to focus on him more. He might falter and then I would have Rashford compete with him for the left wing.

Hopefully a solid RW is brought in and Rashford can be back ups for either wings, but the few times he has been tried on the RW it's been rough, same for Martial...it's just a cursed side of the field for United.

 

[Sandikan]

Love that this thread was created on September 1st! 6-7 weeks on Martial might finally be back!

Liverpool won't be a normal game, so we need to plug those wings with the guys who can do a defensive shift as bad as that sounds.

Lingard and Rashford maybe. James might be a sub for this one.

 

[Sayros]

Love that this thread was created on September 1st! 6-7 weeks on Martial might finally be back!

Liverpool won't be a normal game, so we need to plug those wings with the guys who can do a defensive shift as bad as that sounds.

Lingard and Rashford maybe. James might be a sub for this one.

To put out a defensive unit, you're just trying to delay the inevitable. They will break through and score at some point, it's just been this kind of season so far for Liverpool. There isn't a very defined clear idea to Ole's plan, but it does seem to be based on counter-attacking football, so why not just go for it? He doesn't have much more to lose at this point, he's going to be sacked regardless whether it's after the Liverpool game or a few months afterwards.

 

[Redplane]

Even if we defend like animals we ll get murdered on set pieces. Pool is going to need a serious off day. Its a sad state of affairs when anything but Pool winning will be no less than an upset imho.

 

[Sandikan]

To put out a defensive unit, you're just trying to delay the inevitable. They will break through and score at some point, it's just been this kind of season so far for Liverpool. There isn't a very defined clear idea to Ole's plan, but it does seem to be based on counter-attacking football, so why not just go for it? He doesn't have much more to lose at this point, he's going to be sacked regardless whether it's after the Liverpool game or a few months afterwards.

We don't have the attack to go for it I'm afraid.

This is certainly a game for Ole's counter attacking plan.
Us having a chance of taking points off them depends just how fit our returning players are.

 

[Sandikan]

Even if we defend like animals we ll get murdered on set pieces. Pool is going to need a serious off day. Its a sad state of affairs when anything but Pool winning will be no less than an upset imho.

How so? Yes they have Van D, but we have Maguire for him.

Their front 3, centre mid and full backs aren't that good in the air. Set pieces aren't the worst threat we'll see!

 

[Redplane]

How so? Yes they have Van D, but we have Maguire for him.

Their front 3, centre mid and full backs aren't that good in the air. Set pieces aren't the worst threat we'll see!

Wasn't even talk talking aerial set pieces necessarily. In a game of set pieces they d score at least once out of 10 - and we'd score none.. Because we just can't. If we do take aerial though - at least on the offensive end how many has Maguire score vs VVD?.. Yep I'm bitter now.

 

[Majima]

When is he due to return? It's been ages.

Apparently he's expected to return to training this week so fingers crossed, hopefully this weekend.

We were initially told he had a groin strain and a quick google search tells you that a severe one can take 6 weeks or longer to heal. We are now in the 8th week so it must have been a bad one.

 

[Majima]

Love that this thread was created on September 1st! 6-7 weeks on Martial might finally be back!

Liverpool won't be a normal game, so we need to plug those wings with the guys who can do a defensive shift as bad as that sounds.

Lingard and Rashford maybe. James might be a sub for this one.

Severe groin strains can take 6 weeks or longer to heal. It must have been a bad one. No wonder they've been so sheepish on his injury.

 

[Sandikan]

Severe groin strains can take 6 weeks or longer to heal. It must have been a bad one. No wonder they've been so sheepish on his injury.

May have caught them out, they may have been trying to keep it quiet to not give other teams a boost, or the worst option, Martial hasn't been that hungry to get back quickly.
Hopefully the first option. But for some reason I get the feeling Rashford would have been back a lot sooner, despite him being risking being penalised for fans for underpar performances.

 

[Forevergiggs1]

Martial started well for us this season so for the 122nd time I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.

 

[Majima]

May have caught them out, they may have been trying to keep it quiet to not give other teams a boost, or the worst option, Martial hasn't been that hungry to get back quickly.
Hopefully the first option. But for some reason I get the feeling Rashford would have been back a lot sooner, despite him being risking being penalised for fans for underpar performances.

We'll never know seeing as they never updated us on the results of his scan. 99% more likely to assume it's just a bad strain than making up hypotheticals.

We saw how rushing back too soon went with Pogba. It's just dumb to rush back in my view.

Taken from Webmd:

''If you start pushing yourself before your groin pull is healed, you could re-injure yourself. And if you get further groin pulls, they may be harder to treat and take longer to heal. They can even lead to permanent disability.''

The worst case scenario, you're left with it turning into a permanent problem. It sounds like the last thing you want to do is try and rush back to be honest.

 

[Sandikan]

We'll never know seeing as they never updated us on the results of his scan. 99% more likely to assume it's just a bad strain than making up hypotheticals.

We saw how rushing back too soon went with Pogba. It's just dumb to rush back in my view.

Taken from Webmd:



The worst case scenario, you're left with it turning into a permanent problem. It sounds like the last thing you want to do is try and rush back to be honest.

Yep. One thing I think we always forget when we moan at players' performances, is a lot of the time they'll be nursing something.

 

[Majima]

Yep. One thing I think we always forget when we moan at players' performances, is a lot of the time they'll be nursing something.

Yeah, we really don't have the slightest clue what their condition is like game to game, it's easily done isn't it?

 

[Sylar]

If they rotate it'll be us that's confused

If we dont train and practice? Sure. This is where training movement would come into it.

 

[HowYouDoin]

When Martial returns...I do believe we will appreciate him more than ever before. He is easily cut above the rest, arguably our best player and definitely our best attacking player.
With that said, let James and Rashford battle it out for the left forward spot. Play each there for one half. It's not a horrible problem to have.

 

[Lentwood]

I’m far from Rashfords biggest fan but he’s a million times better than any of our other options on the RW

It’s got to the point where I would seriously rather have Diego Dalot or Ashley Young play AMR than Juan Mata or Pereira

 

[Buster15]

When Martial returns...I do believe we will appreciate him more than ever before. He is easily cut above the rest, arguably our best player and definitely our best attacking player.
With that said, let James and Rashford battle it out for the left forward spot. Play each there for one half. It's not a horrible problem to have.

It really all depends on which Martial returns.
He is hardly the Knight in shining armour that is going to save us.
On his day he is ok. But as soon as his head drops, forgot it. Mentality far too fragile for my liking.

 

[Bestietom]

All 4 back this weekend. Martial, Pogba, AWB, and Shaw.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

All 4 back this weekend. Martial, Pogba, AWB, and Shaw.

How match for they are remains to be seen.

Hard to see past a Liverpool win really. They're nearly running away with the league and it's a perfect opportunity for them to make a huge statement at OT. Urgh.

 

[Stadjer]

How match for they are remains to be seen.

Hard to see past a Liverpool win really. They're nearly running away with the league and it's a perfect opportunity for them to make a huge statement at OT. Urgh.

When Liverpool was shit they still won games against United... that is the only argument i can think of why Liverpool wont win with 0-4.

 

[kouroux]

May have caught them out, they may have been trying to keep it quiet to not give other teams a boost, or the worst option, Martial hasn't been that hungry to get back quickly.
Hopefully the first option. But for some reason I get the feeling Rashford would have been back a lot sooner, despite him being risking being penalised for fans for underpar performances.

That's not an option.

 

[Schmeichel's Cartwheel]

He'll get injured again before christmas.

 

[Apokalips]

That's not an option.

Ridiculous the amount of character assassination attempted on a few particular players, meanwhile Rashford is always playing through debilitating injury supposedly.

We've seen what happens when we rush players back on numerous occasions. I'd rather avoid a repeat of the situation we find ourselves in with Pogba right now and as much as I'm not a fan, we've seen Jesse come on and back off again twice in the past 6 or so months when returning from injury, which is a wasted sub.

 

[Stadjer]

Ridiculous the amount of character assassination attempted on a few particular players, meanwhile Rashford is always playing through debilitating injury supposedly.

We've seen what happens when we rush players back on numerous occasions. I'd rather avoid a repeat of the situation we find ourselves in with Pogba right now and as much as I'm not a fan, we've seen Jesse come on and back off again twice in the past 6 or so months when returning from injury, which is a wasted sub.

I understand the point you are trying to make but it is even worse. Bringing Lingard on is a wasted sub, having to sub him off in the same match because of injury is a second wasted sub.

On the subject of Martial, i doubt he doesnt want to play. He got the shirtnumber he wants, plays in the position he wants and started the season really well. Really bad communication from the club about his injury but i dont doubt that Martial wants to return when he is fit to play.

 

[kouroux]

Ridiculous the amount of character assassination attempted on a few particular players, meanwhile Rashford is always playing through debilitating injury supposedly.

We've seen what happens when we rush players back on numerous occasions. I'd rather avoid a repeat of the situation we find ourselves in with Pogba right now and as much as I'm not a fan, we've seen Jesse come on and back off again twice in the past 6 or so months when returning from injury, which is a wasted sub.

Yeah, to even suggest it as an option is crazy to me. Martial's injury has been much more severe than initially reported. It's as simple as that.

 

[Sterling Archer]

He'll get injured again before christmas.

Kind of like Saha. Was brilliant when not injured. Of course back then we had Rooney and Ronaldo also on the team. We really should think about having a couple more top notch strikers in the squad.

 

[koop]

This guy will return, play probably 2-3 games then end up injured again.

Someone quote me on this. He's our French Jack Wilshere.

 

[Vitali]

Kind of like Saha. Was brilliant when not injured. Of course back then we had Rooney and Ronaldo also on the team. We really should think about having a couple more top notch strikers in the squad.

A couple of top notch strikers more? Who do Man Utd have that could currently be classed as a top notch striker? It seems that you're suggesting Anthony Martial is, but he's definitely not a top notch striker.

 

[Raven]

Martial being injury prone is a myth, one of the weirder ones being thrown around. He's had a couple of nasty ones over the last 12 months, which is unfortunate, but so far there is no proof that he is prone to injuries.

I think we'll see just how much we miss him when he's back at it. I don't hold much hope for this Liverpool game, but I'm much more confident with Martial up top rather than Rashford.

 

[meamth]

Martial being injury prone is a myth, one of the weirder ones being thrown around. He's had a couple of nasty ones over the last 12 months, which is unfortunate, but so far there is no proof that he is prone to injuries.

I think we'll see just how much we miss him when he's back at it. I don't hold much hope for this Liverpool game, but I'm much more confident with Martial up top rather than Rashford.

A quick check on his injury history, he had 5 identical injuries, mostly thigh and groin injuries. There's a definite chance that his thigh and groin muscles are getting worse due to recurring injuries.

 

[Chaky_Best]

Issue is not that he's injury prone, but more his lack of match fitness.

The guy didn't play for a month or so and needs to be 100% against the fec***** european champions and next england champions.

He's not a real number 9 and will make no difference to our attack. Doesn't provide enough to our game to have that influence.

I remember when Rooney was off injured, it had a real impact on the team (I mean the good Rooney, not the 15/16)

 

[TRUERED89]

Hope he's back, doubt he'll start though.

 

[Forevergiggs1]

It's quite ironic that when Martial plays he more or less gets slaughtered for his lacklustre performances but when he's out injured he's suddenly becomes our world class player that will lift the team to new heights. Either people have very short memories or theyre living in denial, or maybe we've just sunk so low that we're trying to find optimism from curious angles.

 

[Judas]

It's quite ironic that when Martial plays he more or less gets slaughtered for his lacklustre performances but when he's out injured he's suddenly becomes our world class player that will lift the team to new heights. Either people have very short memories or theyre living in denial, or maybe we've just sunk so low that we're trying to find optimism from curious angles.

That's the Martial cycle. Rinse and repeat every season. Will be the same till he leaves. For all his good performances, or good runs of form, it always ends up the same way. I wish he could maintain a run of great games and fitness, maybe one day.

 

[Crashoutcassius]

Personally would like to see some set up with 2 strikers on the pitch vs pool (if martial is back, and maybe even if he isnt)

 

[TRUERED89]

It's quite ironic that when Martial plays he more or less gets slaughtered for his lacklustre performances but when he's out injured he's suddenly becomes our world class player that will lift the team to new heights. Either people have very short memories or theyre living in denial, or maybe we've just sunk so low that we're trying to find optimism from curious angles.

You're right, BUT he's had a great start to the season and we know he's very clinical majority of the time if given service. We'd have more points on the board, with him not missing more than half our games this season.

 

[Forevergiggs1]

That's the Martial cycle. Rinse and repeat every season. Will be the same till he leaves. For all his good performances, or good runs of form, it always ends up the same way. I wish he could maintain a run of great games and fitness, maybe one day.

A player can have all the skill in the world but without self motivation you have nothing. That's Martial. I've never Seen a United player playing so long just going through the motions on the pitch. At times it borders on a disgrace. Not getting on with the manager or having dross players around you is no excuse. He is supposed to be a professional.

If Martial changes his attitude then we have a gifted player on our hands. We have seen glimpses of a great player but no where near enough and it just highlights the state of our club when we have to depend on someone who gives the impression that earning great money doesn't mean giving great performances on the pitch. Another Ed masterstroke.