Pogba and De Gea out injured for Liverpool clash

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Tickles me that fans are blaming Ole for Pogba playing against Rochdale, it will have been 100% Pogba's call, he probably volunteered to play to prove his fitness, and it's not Ole's fault if Pogba decided to play the full 90+ minutes if as suspected he'd picked up an injury, or aggravated a previous injury whilst he was on the pitch.
Jesus. You don't think Ole has a say in how many minutes he plays? It was stupid management. He shouldn't have played him at all or a half at the most. We had a huge game against Arsenal just 5 days later.
 

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There's actual video footage above of Ole saying Paul played through the pain barrier so they're both at fault. Pogba for playing when he knew he was in pain, and the management staff for knowing it also and not at least bringing him off. It was stupid to play him against Rochdale, unless you're saying the players pick themselves? If so, we have an even bigger problem than we thought we did.

The only way Ole is absolved of blame is if Pogba told him he was in pain after the Arsenal game but I think it was clear he was rushed back way sooner than he should have been.
When did Ole find out Pogba played through the pain barrier, after the game or at half-time? If it was at half-time he should have taken him off, if it was at full-time what should he have done? - Educated guess here but whenever Ole found out it will have been after Paul, and it was up to him, his responsibility to ask to come off.

And yes senior players do volunteer to play, most of the regulars know they are going to get the night off whilst the youngsters get their chance in the League Cup but the Manager will still expect a few of the regulars to put their hands up to help guide them through the game, or be available from the bench.

Yeah we rushed back Pogba cos we needed him against mighty Rochdale. rightio
 

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Jesus. You don't think Ole has a say in how many minutes he plays? It was stupid management. He shouldn't have played him at all or a half at the most. We had a huge game against Arsenal just 5 days later.
I can't remember, nor be arsed to check, how the match played out with substitutions(ie. any enforced), but if Pogba told Ole he was fine at half-time why not leave him on, it's not as though he over-stretches himself at the best of times, it's was just a pleasant evening stroll for him.
 

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We have always been plagued with injuries. Maybe we need to sack our medical team before we sack Ole. Oh maybe our coaches are not taking the advice of our medical team. Whatever the scenario the future is shite, just like the near past. However, maybe Liverpool will become overconfident like PSG and shoot themselves in the foot.
 

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Pogba is a big loss for us and we would rather have him fit than not however I canr help but think that we can set up to be harder to break down without him in the team, our only hope is to be solid and nick something on the break or a set peice.
 

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Why was Pogba playing in some random 3rd round league cup game? Ole deserve the boot for that alone.

And we were getting beat anyway.
 

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It seems like a mighty dumb decision to play pogba against Rochdale for the full 90.
 

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Obviously lads , what has happened to De Gea whilst playing for Spain is unfortunate , to say the least especially as we are playing our most hated and fiercest rivals on Sunday
Romero is not as good as De Gea but he is a good steady Goalkeeper who will not let us down (cue a mistake now in the game arghhhh....lol)

Pogba , on the other hand - is no surprise to me whatsoever
It is blatant to most United Fans and Supporters that he does not want to be a the Club and plays that way , in the vast majority of matches for us

At the risk of stimulating debate - and lets face it , that's what these Forums are about , Opinions and Debate - I , for one , am sick and tired of him and have been , for a good 18 months or so now
I would sell him at the first opportunity if I could and I say , if I could - because I do not believe many Teams would actually be willing to buy him and certainly not for the money that is being asked

The wider issue being - that despite what I have just said about Paul Pogba - the reality is , that he is still our best player (aside from maybe De Gea) and therefore selling him would weaken our team even further - That is the massive dilemma with him
Although hes our "best" player in terms of pure talent, hes not our most important one by a long shot and imo our team as a whole would benefit from him leaving. Jose is no angel, but i dont think the conflict he had with Pogba was all his own making
 

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Rochdale for any other top team is a blessing, a game where they can relax, try new things, rotate, blood the youngster

We see it as cup final going full strenght on an already barebone squad...
Romero

Wan-Bissaka
Tuanzebe
Jones
Rojo

Fred
Pogba

Andreas Pereira
Lingard
Chong

Greenwood
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Grant
B.Williams
Lindelof
Garner
McTominay
Mata
James

Hardly think 2 regular starters if everybody is fit, and one of them(Pogba) seeking match-fitness is going full strength.
 

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Just bad luck? This bad luck does not happen to teams on the up.
Allison got injured the SAME way De Gea did for Liverpool, and they had to play a makeshift keeper at best. Get out of here with bs like this.
 

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Why was Pogba playing in some random 3rd round league cup game? Ole deserve the boot for that alone.

And we were getting beat anyway.
Because Pogba was declared fit to play by the medical staff at Manchester United. Paul Pogba is also our most important player and that game was supposed to be a easy chance for him to get some much needed match training in his legs again.

So that is why Pogba played. What, you think Ole told him to suck it up and play just because?
 

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Allison got injured the SAME way De Gea did for Liverpool, and they had to play a makeshift keeper at best. Get out of here with bs like this.
You don't even have to give other club examples, we had injury crisis every season under SAF and we used to win league without any problem. This 'bad luck doesn't happen to teams on the up' is such a load of crap.
 

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In the Premier League, Paul Pogba has created the same amount of chances (13) as Scott McTominay (6), Jesse Lingard (4), Fred (3) and Matić (0) combined.

Minutes played:

1363 – McTominay, Lingard, Fred and Matić
450 – Pogba

Nah, won't miss that fecker
 

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You don't even have to give other club examples, we had injury crisis every season under SAF and we used to win league without any problem. This 'bad luck doesn't happen to teams on the up' is such a load of crap.
With all due respect, the league is such a different animal now than it was only 7 years ago. Teams like Manchester City that has received enormous financial doping, new generation of players that far exceed the previous one, everything about the league and the teams in it has evolved.

Our injury problems combined with our squad depth simply means that we lack the quality to compete just yet.
 

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With all due respect, the league is such a different animal now than it was only 7 years ago. Teams like Manchester City that has received enormous financial doping, new generation of players that far exceed the previous one, everything about the league and the teams in it has evolved.

Our injury problems combined with our squad depth simply means that we lack the quality to compete just yet.
Maybe you need to re-read my post.
 

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Liverpool spanked us several times at Anfield when they were shite and we were the kings. Sometimes form can go out the window in these rival fixtures. Is it really that unprecedented to think we could possibly win at OT even if Liverpool are challenging for titles and we aren’t?
 

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We were losing anyway.

Hopefully it doesn't turn to be embarrassing as the 0-3 in Moyes season.
Yeah if memory serves me right didn't Gerrard hit the post when on for a hattrick of penalties in that game.
 

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Just read that Alexis Sanchez is out injured three months following an ankle surgery after getting injured in the internationals last weekend. Inters rental gamble in shambles.
 

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I'm not claiming to be an ITK but I heard that Pogba is fit and he's being saved so he can be sold in January.
 

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This is the one huge criticism I'd have of Ole . His game management and player management is shocking . Risking Pogba in such a shit match was idiotic. There are reports coming from the training ground that the training is stupid and it's a big reason why we have so many players out with muscle injuries since he took over
How stupid? Can you clarify on that?
 

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De Gea and Pogba out, whats the chance OGS getting ready for his excuses?

I have seen Liverpool be shit for weeks but turn up against us and win. If this team don’t turn up then its down to OGS for not able to motivate the players to give it all.

OGS should be sacked if we don't play well.
The state of this post.
 

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Not surprised at wantaway Pogba not being fit. De Gea situation unfortunate.

But this injury problem at United right now is unprecedented and speaks to the desire within this squad.
Ridiculous thread. Pogba was in a cast a few days ago. What do you expect him to do?
 

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Not surprised at wantaway Pogba not being fit. De Gea situation unfortunate.

But this injury problem at United right now is unprecedented and speaks to the desire within this squad.
Perfect reason to report this post.
 

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I'm not claiming to be an ITK but I heard that Pogba is fit and he's being saved so he can be sold in January.
Pogba has been videoed wearing a cast no less than 5 days ago during his recovery period in Dubai. Like, I really don't get it. What do people get out of just making things up? Not saying that you are but whoever said this to you just lied to your face. Pogba has been in Dubai in the heat, recovering and training in the heat. The warm weather is beneficial to the recovery process, that's why he's there and not in the UK

 

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I'm not claiming to be an ITK but I heard that Pogba is fit and he's being saved so he can be sold in January.
That doesn't make sense, why would we allow Pogba to live it up in Dubai, whilst we play Liverpool with an injury hit squad?

I'd even say Oles job is on the line vs Liverpool, if we get embarrassed, he'll be sacked.
 

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That doesn't make sense, why would we allow Pogba to live it up in Dubai, whilst we play Liverpool with an injury hit squad?

I'd even say Oles job is on the line vs Liverpool, if we get embarrassed, he'll be sacked.
And if we don't get embarrassed?
 

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Now Pogba's out, any ideas of taking the game to them are long gone, so we'll have to set up like a lesser team away to a big team.
Fun.
Naaa... Whatever, we must play as per our tradition and philosophy. We must attack Liverpool even if that means a 5-0 loss.
 

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Hasn’t Pogba created more chances than all are other midfielders combined and he has missed over half the season. He is a big loss
 

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Why does the thread title say 'injured' and not injured?

There is no doubt the pair are crocked right now.
 

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Naaa... Whatever, we must play as per our tradition and philosophy. We must attack Liverpool even if that means a 5-0 loss.
We haven't played attacking football once all season but now we're going to take it to Liverpool? :lol: