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What are you even referring to here? Mate no offence but it seems like you are just making up shit to respond to, who is blaming the fans for the club being 12th?

You responded to me saying I am bored of hearing fans moan and whinge (not about the club or the results or the style of play which you keep banging on about, but Ole's press conferences, before they have even started).

If you are going to try and debate/discuss, at least stick to the point, just an idea lad
Fans are right to moan when they hear the manager of their club spouting delusional positive nonsense left, right and center while we're 12th and 2 points away from relegation zone. He doesn't need to go full rant mode in pressers but he can at least be honest with the fans and tell them the current period is crap and unacceptable for the club and fans, not BS about long planning, culture changing, performance being good, injuries affecting us, everything being fine etc he has been talking about through the last few months.

So instead of moaning about the fans moaning, try to focus on the team and its state. I don't get how in our current state and some people's only problem is the fans moaning. If people aren't moaning in our current state then I don't know when they'll ever moan.

Again his pressers have been delusional and terrible hence people are getting fed up with them and they're right.
 

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I'm happy to go along FOR NOW.??
Let's see what Woodward does.
It will either prove right in the end and a lot of us will look foolish or if it goes badly wrong Woodward and Co. will look exceptionally stupid. Maybe we are just going to take that risk. It is the plan they have which is puzzling. Are we going for younger up and coming players that fit Ole supposed plan of playing or are we going to bring in a load of ageing players in January to give us so-called experience? To me there should be plenty of players out there age 26-27 who have experience without going for over 30's. If they have a plan, stick to it, don't flip-flop or we will get into an even deeper mess.
 

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Culture, culture, culture, how many times does he say this word?

What culture? Culture of becoming a relegation fodder?
It doesn't mean anything, it's a fecking platitude being parroted by the club seemingly every week. I'm sick of hearing about 'passion/culture/desire/mentality' when it is clear as day that none of these things exist at the club. It just rings hollow and borders on parody at this point.
 

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I do agree that it would be refreshing to hear him say we have been shit and our attacking play has been woeful, agree with you on that.

I am not to sure any other manager would play Tuanzebe, if it was Jose still in charge I personally think he would have gone back to Villa on loan this season.

I like how McTominay has thrived under him and played his best football now that he has been given a cemented role in the side. Agree on Greenwood I would love to see him through the middle but at that age maybe he is thinking on the right is less pressure he has only just turned 18.

Agree on Chong, don't think he is good enough but Gomes I am still hopeful that there is a top player in there, want to see him given a few more opportunities.

Was it not Jose who gave Tuanzebe his debut or was it LVG? I am pretty sure he started for us and was rated quite highly by one of them.

I do agree with McTominay, it feels like him and James are the only ones attacking wise taking on responsibility. But there is alot of fans calling for him as well which I do not understand.

I understand you do not want to put the kid under pressure but surely Ole would have known if he goes in with 3 strikers there will be a point in the season he will have to trust Greenwood? If and when martial is fit then he can be used on the wing / sub St roles. What this injury has done is also cause Rashford to lose form completely.

I don't think any fan would have a go at Ole if Greenwood played up top with Rashford and James on either wing. If Greenwood fails to perform he can turn round saying it didnt work, he needs more time but if it works, people will be all in praise.
 

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I can't honestly get my head around why so many on here give two shits about what Ole says in a press conference... Ferguson's were dull as anything unless he was having a dig at someone. Anybody who thinks he should talk the same way he does behind closed doors in a press conference is beyond naive.

I honestly wish all the whine merchants would go support City and infect their fan base instead.
 

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Fans are right to moan when they hear the manager of their club spouting delusional positive nonsense left, right and center while we're 12th and 2 points away from relegation zone. He doesn't need to go full rant mode in pressers but he can at least be honest with the fans and tell them the current period is crap and unacceptable for the club and fans, not BS about long planning, culture changing, performance being good, injuries affecting us, everything being fine etc he has been talking about through the last few months.

So instead of moaning about the fans moaning, try to focus on the team and its state. I don't get how in our current state and some people's only problem is the fans moaning. If people aren't moaning in our current state then I don't know when they'll ever moan.

Again his pressers have been delusional and terrible hence people are getting fed up with them and they're right.
Did he not pretty much say everything you are going on about in his recent interview with Gary Neville? So he basically spends about 10 minutes talking about how performances and results are not good enough, need to improve and how they are striving to do this but because he does not reiterate this in today's press conference you all go mental?

Is that his fault or your fault for not watching the Neville interview or being ignorant towards the interview he done for Sunday's game?

He has gone on about the results and the way we are playing, and the one thing I am doing is getting behind the side and not moaning and whinging on any social media source available, which bores me, the state of Twitter at the minute is just a joke, it is like the side are a second thought.

Oh and by the way, your comment about the Palace game is BS, they had two break away's and scored both times, we did not create an awful lot but behave yourself when you say we were played off the park, was at the game and that was not the case in the slightest.

And again, not having a go about people moaning about the state of the club but about what Ole will talk about in his press conferences, which will be answers to questions he is asked, the fact that people expect him to go all Jose discussing the on-goings of the dressing room and tearing into players, not Ole way of doing things (do I need to put this big in bold so you will actually read it and understand it?)
 

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But he is right. Playing 90 minutes your best player in minor game when he just had injury is stupid as it gets.
Well he had had 26 days out with an ankle injury, if signed off by the medical team such as they are and the player himself some would say Rochdale at home would be the ideal game for him to come back in rather than straight in against Arsenal with no football for the best part of a month.
 

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Was it not Jose who gave Tuanzebe his debut or was it LVG? I am pretty sure he started for us and was rated quite highly by one of them.

I do agree with McTominay, it feels like him and James are the only ones attacking wise taking on responsibility. But there is alot of fans calling for him as well which I do not understand.

I understand you do not want to put the kid under pressure but surely Ole would have known if he goes in with 3 strikers there will be a point in the season he will have to trust Greenwood? If and when martial is fit then he can be used on the wing / sub St roles. What this injury has done is also cause Rashford to lose form completely.

I don't think any fan would have a go at Ole if Greenwood played up top with Rashford and James on either wing. If Greenwood fails to perform he can turn round saying it didnt work, he needs more time but if it works, people will be all in praise.
Can't remember, I think it may have been LVG as I remember him playing on the right hand side a lot and think he played DMC as well, Southampton away springs to mind?

Yeah I would love to see Greenwood given a chance up top. Rashford needs taking out of the firing line, poor lad is just destroyed of confidence and seems properly burnt out.
 

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Well he had had 26 days out with an ankle injury, if signed off by the medical team such as they are and the player himself some would say Rochdale at home would be the ideal game for him to come back in rather than straight in against Arsenal with no football for the best part of a month.
playing the last 20-30 minutes of the rochdale game would have been the logical move. Pretty sure any semi-competent manager prob does something like that. You let him get his feet under him a bit and shake off the rust and get ready for the monday game.

Not play him from start to finish. Ridiculous.
 

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Did he not pretty much say everything you are going on about in his recent interview with Gary Neville? So he basically spends about 10 minutes talking about how performances and results are not good enough, need to improve and how they are striving to do this but because he does not reiterate this in today's press conference you all go mental?

Is that his fault or your fault for not watching the Neville interview or being ignorant towards the interview he done for Sunday's game?

He has gone on about the results and the way we are playing, and the one thing I am doing is getting behind the side and not moaning and whinging on any social media source available, which bores me, the state of Twitter at the minute is just a joke, it is like the side are a second thought.

Oh and by the way, your comment about the Palace game is BS, they had two break away's and scored both times, we did not create an awful lot but behave yourself when you say we were played off the park, was at the game and that was not the case in the slightest.

And again, not having a go about people moaning about the state of the club but about what Ole will talk about in his press conferences, which will be answers to questions he is asked, the fact that people expect him to go all Jose discussing the on-goings of the dressing room and tearing into players, not Ole way of doing things (do I need to put this big in bold so you will actually read it and understand it?)
That's what he said in the interview :

N: Why do you think it's been a struggle to get the goals that you would expect?

OGS: There's many reasons, but one of them is injuries to Anthony [Martial], who started really well through the middle with Marcus [Rashford] on the left. Creating chances has been a challenge for us with teams dropping deep. It's the fine margins as well.

If you go 1-0 up instead of 1-0 down, when you look at the Harry Maguire and Scott McTominay headers against Newcastle and Arsenal, it's a completely different ball game. But we're practising patterns every single week and when we get the players fit, I'm going to make Marcus and Anthony score those scruffy goals, as that's what I did!
Injuries, teams dropping back, if we score earlier it's a different game, fine margins .. Etc. Absolute delusional nonsense. The fact we can't break parked buses is down to him as a manager, moaning about Martial's injury is funny when he himself said it was his decision to sell Lukaku, and finally missing one chance shouldn't be enough for us to lose a game against the 19th position team. It's only problem because of our non existent style that we can't create more than 1 or 2 chances a game so each one starts to count.

The only thing you get from this quotes is our struggles are thanks to injuries and some bad luck, and the terrible think is I actually think he himself believes such nonsense as nothing is changing on the pitch re our football.

He has been doing that for the last few months too. That's his gem after AZ draw iirc, telling us all our performance in the league has been good bar WHU which wasn't that bad :


If you like being fed up with these excuses and delusional promises it's up to you but many of us don't, especially when there is feck all to show for it on the pitch.
 

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Can't remember, I think it may have been LVG as I remember him playing on the right hand side a lot and think he played DMC as well, Southampton away springs to mind?

Yeah I would love to see Greenwood given a chance up top. Rashford needs taking out of the firing line, poor lad is just destroyed of confidence and seems properly burnt out.
Saying that, apparently he looked lively for England the other day, so it is a matter of him being played where he can exploit spaces. He struggles to carry out close dribbling and holding the ball up.

Rashford cannot play with his back to goal.
 

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as someone who has watched pretty much every game, if Ole truly believes we had that many good performances he is deluded AF. There are other ways to give manager speak without just being downright delusional and idiotic.
 

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playing the last 20-30 minutes of the rochdale game would have been the logical move. Pretty sure any semi-competent manager prob does something like that. You let him get his feet under him a bit and shake off the rust and get ready for the monday game.

Not play him from start to finish. Ridiculous.
Maybe but if Pogba and the medical team are telling you he is fine then 60-90 minutes against a team 2 divisions below you, struggling and playing a weakened team themselves might have been preferred to 20-30 minutes off the bench.
 

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Well he had had 26 days out with an ankle injury, if signed off by the medical team such as they are and the player himself some would say Rochdale at home would be the ideal game for him to come back in rather than straight in against Arsenal with no football for the best part of a month.
That is why managers give that kind of players 30 minutes or 45 minutes max. Not whole game ffs
 

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He started off at the job saying that he wanted the players to play free but to try hard and work hard.

That is still all that he as a manager and our team as a group of players have to play with.
 

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It will either prove right in the end and a lot of us will look foolish or if it goes badly wrong Woodward and Co. will look exceptionally stupid. Maybe we are just going to take that risk. It is the plan they have which is puzzling. Are we going for younger up and coming players that fit Ole supposed plan of playing or are we going to bring in a load of ageing players in January to give us so-called experience? To me there should be plenty of players out there age 26-27 who have experience without going for over 30's. If they have a plan, stick to it, don't flip-flop or we will get into an even deeper mess.
I agree 100%. Surely 63 scouts looking for us, should be able to spot some top talent.
 

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December 2018: Ole is positive about everything despite struggles - Caf: What a breath of fresh air, I love it! Enough with Josés angry press conferences"
October 2019: Ole is positive about everything despite struggles - Caf: Screw you Ole! Call out the problems and be negative about it!

And if you're somehow upset by this being pointed out, maybe you should look yourself in the mirror.
If I could give likes this would get one! Football fans are so sheepish they turn at their heroes without thinking or dignity.
 

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It is very difficult to find players who want to leave a club to join us and replace the ones we have.

An upgrade to Lingard, Fred, Perreira, Young, Mata is almost impossible in this market.

It is not like Tielemans had a relatively low buy out clause
It is not like Bruno Fernandes wanted to leave and was asking £100k wages
Ziyech is another

It just shows a clear lack of planning. Obviously if you are doing crap and you target Sancho, Dybala you will never get them

It reminds me of Moyes when he said he was close to Fabregas, Thiago, Bale and Kroos. Sometimes you have to be realistic of what kind of player you can achieve.
Are you kidding? This lot would be easy to upgrade in any market. They are horrible. Anyone on the Caf could come up with a list of 100 forwards in world football better than Lingard, Mata or Perreira.
 
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Are you kidding? This lot would be easy to upgrade in any market. They are horrible. Anyone on the Caf could come up with a list of 100 forwards in world football better than Lingard, Mata or Perreira.
He was obviously being sarcastic, if you'd have kept reading.
 

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Are you kidding? This lot would be easy to upgrade in any market. They are horrible. Anyone on the Caf could come up with a list of 100 forwards in world football better than Lingard, Mata or Perreira.
Sarcasm, that was the point. I gave a list of 3 players underneath the statement which were not difficult to sign neither were they asking for much.

The point was almost anyone we signed would have been an upgrade.
 

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Moyes: Chosen Chosen Chosen
LVG: Philosophy Philosophy Philosophy
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Whats next ?
 

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as someone who has watched pretty much every game, if Ole truly believes we had that many good performances he is deluded AF. There are other ways to give manager speak without just being downright delusional and idiotic.
If he genuinely believes the performances have been good it’s really confusing! He knows first hand what acceptable performance are from United players when playing In (and watching from the bench a lot of the time) our treble winning side!

I can therefore only assume he is just putting on a positive face for the media but deep down knows performances have been a stinking heap of horse manure!
 

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It is very difficult to find players who want to leave a club to join us and replace the ones we have.

An upgrade to Lingard, Fred, Perreira, Young, Mata is almost impossible in this market.

It is not like Tielemans had a relatively low buy out clause
It is not like Bruno Fernandes wanted to leave and was asking £100k wages
Ziyech is another

It just shows a clear lack of planning.
Obviously if you are doing crap and you target Sancho, Dybala you will never get them

It reminds me of Moyes when he said he was close to Fabregas, Thiago, Bale and Kroos. Sometimes you have to be realistic of what kind of player you can achieve.
Shocking isn't it?
 

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It is very difficult to find players who want to leave a club to join us and replace the ones we have.

An upgrade to Lingard, Fred, Perreira, Young, Mata is almost impossible in this market.

It is not like Tielemans had a relatively low buy out clause
It is not like Bruno Fernandes wanted to leave and was asking £100k wages
Ziyech is another

It just shows a clear lack of planning. Obviously if you are doing crap and you target Sancho, Dybala you will never get them

It reminds me of Moyes when he said he was close to Fabregas, Thiago, Bale and Kroos. Sometimes you have to be realistic of what kind of player you can achieve.
I quite fancy signing Ronaldo, Messi & Neymar to play up front in the summer; if they don’t sign I’ll throw my hands up, do nothing & claim they’re the only 3 attackers in world football worthy of playing the glorious United way.

It’s all smoke & mirrors, Tielemans stands out by a mile. To not consider him but [apparently] be willing to go to £25mil for Longstaff is negligence of the highest order.

The ‘Young & British’ nonsense needs to jump off a cliff; some of our best players have come from outside the shores.

The funniest thing is; given his stance Ole Gunnar Solskjær wouldn’t sign Ole Gunnar Solskjær - fraud :houllier:
 

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So he has a better record after 29 games than Klopp.

The thing is almost immediately, and certainly after 29 games, you could see what Klopp was trying to do. You could see a style of Football emerging and a clear direction. I see none of that under Ole sadly.
Did you really? What did you see? Liverpool fans were moaning a lot after those 29 games, and many of them were questioning his abilities as a coach. No one cares what you are trying to do, when you are losing games.
 

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He may not be up to the job (He might well be though!) But some of the stuff in here is insulting tbh. I am not a red but it's clear to see Ole is the person that the Glaziers/Woodward are using as a shield, he takes all the shit, gets all the blame. Whilst THEY make money. Attacking Ole over such personal things as how he talks, the words he uses is a low point, he doesnt deserve it.
I make you about half right. I'm confident that Ole was under orders in the summer to get rid of the highest earners which is why Lukaku and Sanchez (on loan) were let go. I'm not disputing their exit but not bringing in reinforcements was criminal. A lot of us here didn't give Ole too hard a time over it because we (me) thought it was Eds decision but Ole is coming out and saying it was his decision all along not to bring in strikers. so Ole has to take a large % of the blame in where we are in the table.

As for his pressers. If he was being honest with himself then people wouldn't be having a go. I'm not saying for him to throw his players under the bus but all this positivity about the lads being fantastic in training, everyone is super confident, our plan is starting to show on the pitch is all absolute bollox and I guess a lot of the fans are getting a little peeved off with it. Either Ole believes what he says or he keeps taking us fans as mugs, either way he's opening himself up for criticism.

It's been like that with the players for a long time now. After bad performances the players come out on social media and spout the same shite about trying harder, working better as a team, the fans don't deserve this and then the following game they go out and give another exact same shite performance. And on and on it goes with nothing changing. You reach a stage where you get sick of listening to it all and Ole is falling into the same trap.
 
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Football is easy when you have good players. He said this at the start but i am not so sure he believes that himself anymore
 

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He may not be up to the job (He might well be though!) But some of the stuff in here is insulting tbh. I am not a red but it's clear to see Ole is the person that the Glaziers/Woodward are using as a shield, he takes all the shit, gets all the blame. Whilst THEY make money. Attacking Ole over such personal things as how he talks, the words he uses is a low point, he doesnt deserve it.
Well said
 

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I'm sick of him banging on about fitness levels and the 'boys' giving their all when we play the slowest football in the league. Snail pace football. Bollocks to the lads have looked good in training all week they look clueless come match day.
 

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I'm sick of him banging on about fitness levels and the 'boys' giving their all when we play the slowest football in the league. Snail pace football. Bollocks to the lads have looked good in training all week they look clueless come match day.
the boys are practicing against each other. Obviously they’ll look good in training.
 

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Ole is giving crap press conference every way. He should be saying things like:

“Liverpool is playing great, we are at home and we will take the game to them. Our players knows they have to step up, not only in big games but every game. We the coaches have to step up as well. Everyone is looking forward to the game with our game plan looking for a positive result.”