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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
I can understand this, I feel same way. I want to like him but he seems unnatural.
I liked his initial Shield character when he was positioned as the unofficial leader and would do all the talking.
Hasn’t she had major health issues over the last few years. Something about an autoimmune disease which has stopped her wrestling. It’s part of the reason it was very start stop for her at WWE.
They really arent, although its only because of the Joshi. The best female wrestlers are still in Japan and AEW brings some overAEW has lost almost a third of its viewers - in what way can that be classified as a win? They are benefitting from the new promotion hype too.
AEW won’t last imo.
It's a win in the sense that they're winning their target demographic against their direct competition. There was always going to be a drop after the initial hype though. We won't really know for 4-6 months and the ratings settle IMO. I think it'll last. It's certainly a superior product to Impact.
They were expecting to build from 500k people. They have over 1 million people watching for 3 weeks now
NXT and the main WWE shows have lost far more of their audience and are still going. NXT has lost almost half its viewership since it debuted 2 weeks before AEW
I wonder what AEW’s numbers would have looked like had NXT not decided to go directly against them on Wednesdays.
Or not decided to start 2 weeks early, killing their own hype before AEW even started
I hope this fanboy rating bollocks dies down quick. Just enjoy the wrestling.
Too many 'fans' take too much care about ratings. Both NXT and Dynamite are fun.
Now Raw and SD on the other hand. They deserve failure.
Now Raw and SD on the other hand. They deserve failure.
Ha, just posted this without seeing your post. And in total agreement.
This.
It's actually embarrassing supposedly grown ass men get off knowing one billionaires company got slightly more views than another billionaires company.
Those two have already won, the real loser is the people that actually care about that shit when it's so insignificant currently.
It's all fecking Meltzer's fault. Look at the state of Reddit, people regurgitating his spiel about "quarter hour ratings" and "the important 18-49 demographic". Twats.
it’s his job too look and analyse that information though.
People do pay attention to that too much, but I think it’s because they want these promotions to survive and grow.
It's one thing wanting looking at them to see how a show will grow, it's another completely using it to some how bash another show because it's got a few thousand more viewers. It's weird.
Someone doesnt understand how business works.Theres a Wednesday night war which, like with WCW and WWF is likely to have 1 winner and 1 loser in the end. Feel free to enjoy what you enjoy but know that regardless of whether you enjoy it, it can easily be gone in another 5 months.
Yeah its not like that data was used during the Monday Night Wars and created the attitude era
Thats how WWF and WCW decided who were stars and who werent, thats why wrestling had a boom period and had mainstream appeal. The people who raise ratings while they're on the screen are who the majority of people want to see and will continue paying money to see. And it isnt always about logic, some people connect with an audience and some dont. But if you're smart you just go with it, like WWE rarely does but has done with Becky.
People who are losing ratings like Seth Rollings still get pushed. Thats why WWE opened the door for other companies that make their fans feel like they listen and they matter and will push who is liked, not who Vince McMahon has height envy for.
Because TV now and TV in the mid to late 90s is the same.
Considering NXT went years without being on TV and did just fine, I can't see it going away "easily in 5 months" simply because it's not getting higher views than AEW. It's literally doing just fine and filling a void for USA left by smackdown.
It get moved to another day before even considering cancelling it.
Considering NXT went years without being on TV and did just fine, I can't see it going away "easily in 5 months" simply because it's not getting higher views than AEW. It's literally doing just fine and filling a void for USA left by smackdown.
It get moved to another day before even considering cancelling it.
TV is even more important today. Thats what has given WWE its security, the new tv deals. Houseshows and ratings are all down year after year
NXT was run at a loss before their tv deal
What’s 18-49 Demo?
Yurp TVs so important they've taken all their PPVs off TV and put them on their own network.
I'm not getting into a back and forth with you, I'm happy to enjoy both products without getting a hard on over who's got few thousand more than who. Theyre both owned by billionaires ffs, they're the real winners here.
18-49 year olds watching the show, the fans who are probably going to be around for the medium to long term future and therefore are more sought after by the tv networks.
WWE's main demo is 50+ which is obviously less ideal as those fans wont be around forever.
WWE is terrible with the younger audience and some of the AEW stars seem to be better at pulling those demographics. Particularly The Elite who are good for the teens and Riho who seems to draw teenage females based on the data so far. Of course they have to keep this up over time, doing it for 3 weeks and doing it for the next 2 years are two different things. But it would seem that in terms of the wrestling world, those are the kinds of people who are connecting with that audience
The irony. Maybe you should spend less time on reddit. Actually go outside for a bit.
Theres a Wednesday night war which, like with WCW and WWF is likely to have 1 winner and 1 loser in the end. Feel free to enjoy what you enjoy but know that regardless of whether you enjoy it, it can easily be gone in another 5 months.
When you come back enjoy Vince McMahon's version of NXT.
C'mon bro.
Was going to say the same.
Not glam but as feisty and tough as they come.
Really. He stuck NXT on wednesday as counter-programming to AEW. Its not the first attempt WWE made to snuff out the hype, they tried to sign The Elite before with lucrative deals. But that was the next step.
Its not working. First week they tried all the tricks, they created a Takeover quality show including great matches, they had no ad breaks in the first half of the show and NXT always has a runover time to try and get the ratings back after AEW's main event is finished. It didnt work.
2 weeks later and NXT is much more like normal NXT playing to its strengths. That didnt work for the ratings either
Vince McMahon is a control freak and thats one of the reasons WWE is where it is today - not even close to what it used to be. Because he's a 70 year old man who thinks he knows best and continues going back to the past for stars and hires, like signing up Flair and Hogan to get a one off rating, or hiring Bischoff to run Smackdown. Instead of making new stars and finding the people who know what works in the current day, he does what used to work 20 years ago. And things have changed a lot.
WWE started the Wednesday wars. AEW wanted to run on Tuesday or Wednesday (after Smackdown announced it was moving to Fridays). It was WWE that counter-programmed NXT against it on Wednesdays. From what you do know about Vince McMahon do you believe that he's going to be happy enough watching NXT lose in the ratings by a mile every week? For NXT to be at Full Sail University in front of 400 fans when AEW is in big arenas with over 15 times as many people? It makes NXT look small time in comparison to the average viewer. He's going to want change.
Now if NXT had the same ratings as AEW, Vince would call himself a genius again and not touch NXT. Counter programming worked, it didnt make him or the WWE look bad and he can concentrate on the XFL like he wants to. That just simply isnt the case.
Thats not to say everything AEW does is great either. Personally I've really enjoyed some of it and some other parts have been meh.
But its the ratings that the tv networks are looking at and so far, thats where AEW is doing great for a new promotion.
Its where things like 5 star Wrestling and World of Sport Wrestling failed and why they are no longer around. Its why Impact lost its good tv deals and didnt recover after the stupid idea to go head to head with Raw on Mondays before shortly turning tail and running. If a wrestling promotion isnt drawing it has a limited lifespan
I sincerely doubt Riho is any kind of draw.
Yes you know better than the data that tells how many people tune in
I've only glanced your post, I'll read it properly later. But people keep conveniently forgetting NXT has always been on Wednesday. Vince McMahon is a control freak, sure.
NXT is still an amazing show, and anyone who isn't a fanboy would be able to see that.
Oh, and in what world is Riho a draw in North America?
In the world that measures tv ratings and sees that the AEW ratings go up with teenagers when shes on the screen
NXT is great, never said any different. Talking about ratings which is what the tv networks care about, rather than matches
You're in an argument with yourself, don't think anyone in this thread other than you genuinely cares about ratings but whatever.
Rihos a draw. Okay. So if Scarlett Bordeaux comes on screen and viewership goes up, she's a draw too, right?
She's a draw in terms of, she changes the ratings for AEW with teenage girls. She's a draw to them. That doesnt mean she'll sell a pay per view as a main event
Bordeaux probably is a tv draw with men in Impact. No idea how she'll do in WWE, but on the main roster barely anyone moves the needle other than returning old stars. Rollins segments have gone down however
Answer me this, is Riho a bigger draw than Seth Rollins in the United States?
That would be like saying if we include the NJPW pool for the WWE then they have the greatest roster ever. AEW can tap into the Joshi pool but so can the WWE just as much.
Both can and should continue to tap into the Joshi pool. We'll see what happens with the recent Stardom changes, which tbh needed to happen for their own sake. AEW should focus on trying to work a relationship with Sendai to have the likes of Hashimoto, Iwata, Matsumoto, Satomura etc and then slowly trying to work something with Stardom going forward. Still surprised the WWE haven't thrown everything at signing Hana Kimura.
"Draw for teenage girls watching AEW"
It's like claiming to be tallest dwarf. I'd wager the amount of teenage girls watching AEW is absolutely tiny. The word draw shouldn't even be used.
The Rock coming back and boosting Smackdown by a million for a week is a draw. Fecking Riho, as likeable as she is, is not any kind of draw.
It's like claiming to be tallest dwarf. I'd wager the amount of teenage girls watching AEW is absolutely tiny. The word draw shouldn't even be used.
The Rock coming back and boosting Smackdown by a million for a week is a draw. Fecking Riho, as likeable as she is, is not any kind of draw.
Bayley's new look is atrocious.
Otis is just a fecking sphere of humanity. I love the guy.