MUFC new transfer recruitment procedure

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Very interesting article in Mail On Sunday about clubs new refined recruitment process. Excerpt below:

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Since 2014, United have been attempting to overhaul recruitment. It has been a long, slow build. Too long and too slow, you could argue. They might counter that theirs were unique circumstances and they were trying to build a system to replace Sir Alex’s brain and charisma, which was pretty much impossible.

But by 2018 they had a team in place that allowed Woodward to be confident enough to say ‘No’ to Mourinho. Last summer, with Solksjaer on board and onside with the model, they felt it was fully operational.

They are confident that after their painstaking rebuild, the structure is as sophisticated as anyone’s. Unheralded names such as Mick Court, a former Loughborough University don and analyst at Watford and Crewe, is the chief technical scout, crunching through data.

He has excelled in the new system. Mark Platt, who works with him, uses their own bespoke software to analyse the market. United, like most clubs also buy in packaged software such as Wyscout to add to their model. Yet, as Graham did at Liverpool, they now have designed their own package which they feel outperforms the standard ones.

Recently club staff were presented with a presentation of how the recruitment procedure works. The idea was to communicate exactly how far United have come, so that the staff at least were clear that it wasn’t Woodward picking out players to buy.

So, before signing Wan-Bissaka, United had data on 804 right-backs around the world. At the start of the process, Solskjaer told the recruitment department what he was looking for. By drawing on the reports of 33 first-team scouts, they produced a list of 50-70 names. With further scouting reports and using their software, they then produced a top 10. The club then applied bespoke video analysis to narrow it to three candidates.

This is the recruitment department. In those final crucial meetings sit Jim Lawlor, who was Ferguson’s chief scout, Bout, Court, Solskjaer and Judge. Woodward isn’t present. It is said Judge doesn’t offer any input on the quality of the players. His only role is as the initial interface with the agents.


So if a player is suggested, he say that he has met the agent and it’s clear the player doesn’t want to move to England; or that he has just signed a new long-term contract but has a buy-out clause which makes him a possible target.

There is a power of veto on either side to add checks and balance to the system and avoid the mistakes of the past. So, the recruitment department has the power to veto the manager if he wants to buy a player, as they did with Mourinho. They can only do so if they can prove that their analysis meant the player didn’t make their top-three list. And the manager himself can veto a candidate put forward by the recruitment department.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...rd-looking-build-United-six-dismal-years.html
 
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I guess we will just see how it plays out. 3 good signings this year and James is a good piece of business... and tbf awb and maguire have looked like they belong, which isn't always a given for new signings.

The other side of the coin is important too though - maybe we find some great targets but aren't able to close them
 

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Sounds like Woodward has released this to cover his own arse.
It's certainly a Woodward briefing, following on from his midweek comments about his 'brilliant recruitment team' and most of it sounds pretty standard fare in this era of digital big data, but its an interesting read nonetheless.
 

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So, United have data on thousands of players all across the globe and end up signing three players from clubs playing in English leagues, two of which were extremely obvious signings.

Sounds like that all that data is really being put to good use.
 

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804 Right backs all over the world, and we just happened to sign the English one who everyone knows and costs tons of money.

Yeah, scouting.
 

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804 Right backs all over the world, and we just happened to sign the English one who everyone knows and costs tons of money.

Yeah, scouting.
sounds like a jazzed up version of FM, which would deliver exactly the same recommendation!
 

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Does it address why if this has been in place since 2018 that they vetoed Maguire for Mourinho but gave him the green light for Solskjaer, at a higher price one year later? Seems like a pretty big flaw in the system there...
 

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So the genius system said Maguire was shit and not worth £60m last year but he's amazing and is worth £80m this year...right then.
 

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More bollocks from Woodward. Gullible fans will take it like gospel like they always do.
 

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Always up for a redemption story. If Woodward had learned from his last meddling and they're actually serious about doing things in a structured way with football expertise , then great. I would rather see Woodward change and succeed than fail even more dramatically and leave. Devil you know over the angel you don't.

But if he's playing his same tricks that's a different matter...I fear that's the case of course
 

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It's certainly a Woodward briefing, following on from his midweek comments about his 'brilliant recruitment team' and most of it sounds pretty standard fare in this era of digital big data, but its an interesting read nonetheless.
Better than the one from the MEN that said he and LVG went against every recommendation of the scouting team.
 

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Very interesting article in Daily Mail about clubs new and refined recruitment process. Excerpt below:

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Since 2014, United have been attempting to overhaul recruitment. It has been a long, slow build. Too long and too slow, you could argue. They might counter that theirs were unique circumstances and they were trying to build a system to replace Sir Alex’s brain and charisma, which was pretty much impossible.

But by 2018 they had a team in place that allowed Woodward to be confident enough to say ‘No’ to Mourinho. Last summer, with Solksjaer on board and onside with the model, they felt it was fully operational.

They are confident that after their painstaking rebuild, the structure is as sophisticated as anyone’s. Unheralded names such as Mick Court, a former Loughborough University don and analyst at Watford and Crewe, is the chief technical scout, crunching through data.

He has excelled in the new system. Mark Platt, who works with him, uses their own bespoke software to analyse the market. United, like most clubs also buy in packaged software such as Wyscout to add to their model. Yet, as Graham did at Liverpool, they now have designed their own package which they feel outperforms the standard ones.

Recently club staff were presented with a presentation of how the recruitment procedure works. The idea was to communicate exactly how far United have come, so that the staff at least were clear that it wasn’t Woodward picking out players to buy.

So, before signing Wan-Bissaka, United had data on 804 right-backs around the world. At the start of the process, Solskjaer told the recruitment department what he was looking for. By drawing on the reports of 33 first-team scouts, they produced a list of 50-70 names. With further scouting reports and using their software, they then produced a top 10. The club then applied bespoke video analysis to narrow it to three candidates.

This is the recruitment department. In those final crucial meetings sit Jim Lawlor, who was Ferguson’s chief scout, Bout, Court, Solskjaer and Judge. Woodward isn’t present. It is said Judge doesn’t offer any input on the quality of the players. His only role is as the initial interface with the agents.


So if a player is suggested, he say that he has met the agent and it’s clear the player doesn’t want to move to England; or that he has just signed a new long-term contract but has a buy-out clause which makes him a possible target.

There is a power of veto on either side to add checks and balance to the system and avoid the mistakes of the past. So, the recruitment department has the power to veto the manager if he wants to buy a player, as they did with Mourinho. They can only do so if they can prove that their analysis meant the player didn’t make their top-three list. And the manager himself can veto a candidate put forward by the recruitment department.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...rd-looking-build-United-six-dismal-years.html
For being the Mail it was actually a very factual article. Most sane people have been aware of that this is has been the recruitment organisation for awhile now.
But some people still seems to think there are things like "Woodward signings".
Mourinho did not fit in with this setup, because he would rather work with Mendes and his chronies or any of his own contacts. IMO its maybe the main reason he totally fell out with the club.
Is it a good organisation? I dont know, but at least it is one, time will tell how it performs.
Could we add a technical director to it? Yeah, probably. Will it make a major difference? Probably not.
 

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Six years in charge and he's ducked interviews at nearly every opportunity. He gets a bit of criticism from the media and now you can't shut Woodward up.
 

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Not being funny but they could have employed someone from the caf in 2018 and they'd have thought of the same shortlist.

Also this bit is weird:

"So, the recruitment department has the power to veto the manager if he wants to buy a player, as they did with Mourinho"

I thought Ed mentioned the manager has final say last week?
 

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804 Right backs all over the world, and we just happened to sign the English one who everyone knows and costs tons of money.

Yeah, scouting.
:lol: this

Sounds a lot fancier than just saying "we bought someone who was obviously one of the breakout young players in the league".
 
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So, United have data on thousands of players all across the globe and end up signing three players from clubs playing in English leagues, two of which were extremely obvious signings.

Sounds like that all that data is really being put to good use.
Should just sign people with dinho at the end of their name then.

Clearly experience in the PL or English football is a big factor in the analysis, especially for Maguire and AWB who would be expected to go straight into the starting 11.
 

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Have data about thousands of players around the world.

Go on and have 33 years old Mandzukic as their only replacement for selling the primary striker and still didn't sign him.

Enter the season with such midfield and attack without signing any midfielders and replacement for the sold striker

Seems legit to me. Sure sure...
 

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There’s not even close to 804 right backs in world football that are worth having data on.
 

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It's also pretty funny these kind of articles about our transfer strategy are coming out in force as if we are now an example to be give for how great we are in recruiting players and building teams.

Watch how these articles are going on and you will believe we are close to top positions in the league hence we are giving everyone an example of how to recruit to achieve success.

Then you look at the table and see us 14th with 1 point ahead of relegation zone and you just have to laugh out loud at this BS and go on with your life.

Woodward is going on so hard trying to defend his strategy and way of managing the club by spreading these things and briefing the media to show how the club has a plan when we have dogshite. We spent 150m on one of the best defenders and the hottest RB talent in the league. So much for this nonsense recruitment strategy. Woodward knows his position is in terrible state. That will be his 4th manager in 7 years and we are no where close to even top 4 never mind challenging for anything.
 

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Even though they narrowed it to three candidates from 800+ fullbacks, AWB is the only top player we can convince him to join us. Can we get Kimmch to join us if we want him? No, that's how it is, not everyone was willing to join if we target them.
 

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Sounds like Woodward has released this to cover his own arse.
This and more. He’s taking credit for the successful bits of the “project” (the signings) prior to throwing Ole under the bus for the poor results.
Perhaps the club has actually done some good work.
Mick Court was the one who insisted on signing Fred, despite neither the scouts nor Jose wanting him.
 

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Bored of this nonsense, recruitment blah blah blah new signings.

If you give Solskjaer City's team he will fail, give him Liverpool he fails, Barcelona fails, PSG fails. It doesn't matter what contention of quality players we have at our disposal, so long as Ole is in charge the team will underachieve. He's a championship level manager. He's failed in the league repetitively, Moyes was sacked for lack of top four, Mourinho and LVG essentially the same. We have a manager so inept the new standard is now top 8, what a disgrace.
 

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What a joke of a leak this is. Just further discredits what kind of organization Ed is running at our beloved club!
 

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For being the Mail it was actually a very factual article. Most sane people have been aware of that this is has been the recruitment organisation for awhile now.
But some people still seems to think there are things like "Woodward signings".
Mourinho did not fit in with this setup, because he would rather work with Mendes and his chronies or any of his own contacts. IMO its maybe the main reason he totally fell out with the club.
Is it a good organisation? I dont know, but at least it is one, time will tell how it performs.
Could we add a technical director to it? Yeah, probably. Will it make a major difference? Probably not.
I would question if most sane people would state that this so-called recruitment system recommended Fred and rejected Maguire a season ago yet recommended him again resulting in a higher transfer fee being paid for him. Arse covering at its finest and yet you expect the forumers to fall for such BS.
 
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Maybe i've just got a thick head on here but what has that article actually got to do with Ed Woodward? In the unlikely event Ed or one of his staff leaked the story the Daily Mail wouldn't be in top 20 of publications that they'd give that info to, probably not even the top 50, and if you'd been in the wide-awake club over the last few years you'd know why.

And on the 804 right-backs, they may well have that many names in a database, but that will be across all age groups down to the very youngest, and both male and female.
 

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Sounds like Woodward has released this to cover his own arse.
Or set the record straight based on the consistent rubbish spouted on the net and media about his role in the signing of our players perhaps.

Not that it will make much difference. We will still get the clamour for a DoF so that Woodward is ‘kept away from football decisions’. It’s all just shooting in the dark, and the press have offered up a figure of blame, and we have gladly accepted it. Largely because the unknown specifics of his job allows us to paint it as we like and assign everything we are unhappy with to him. If it were proven to be inaccurate, it will only mean the search needs to begin again, and most people barely knew some of the names mentioned in that article so wouldn’t know where to go.
 

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Bored of this nonsense, recruitment blah blah blah new signings.

If you give Solskjaer City's team he will fail, give him Liverpool he fails, Barcelona fails, PSG fails. It doesn't matter what contention of quality players we have at our disposal, so long as Ole is in charge the team will underachieve. He's a championship level manager. He's failed in the league repetitively, Moyes was sacked for lack of top four, Mourinho and LVG essentially the same. We have a manager so inept the new standard is now top 8, what a disgrace.
But.... short term pain and all that
 

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804 Right backs all over the world, and we just happened to sign the English one who everyone knows and costs tons of money.

Yeah, scouting.
Also we needed more then just a CB, a RB and a LW last summer. So maybe this entire analysing system is working on a Pentium I. That might explain why it take us ages to sign a player.

I wonder if this brilliant system was used in a bid to find Mou's successor as well. Someone who tanked at Cardiff and who was rotting in Molde.
 
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If this club spent half as much time and effort into on-pitch tactics than PR (Woodward) and romantic "united way" "youth" BS (Ole, ex-United punits), then we would be in the top feckin half of the table.
 

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So the genius system said Maguire was shit and not worth £60m last year but he's amazing and is worth £80m this year...right then.
Does it address why if this has been in place since 2018 that they vetoed Maguire for Mourinho but gave him the green light for Solskjaer, at a higher price one year later? Seems like a pretty big flaw in the system there...
Don't you think a year under Maguire's belt playing in the PL would have had an effect?
 

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You know hire someone go through football manager database will be cheaper, woodward