I like our direction better but no doubt the coaching/management is worse. And it wasn't even good enough under Mourinho.
Worse than Mourinho football?
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Now after couple of years, we finally have CBs who's good on the ball, but every time they pass the ball forward the no.10 keep losing the ball. I can't believe how none of our no.10 cannot even keep hold of the ball for couple of seconds. Mata, Pereira, Lingard, when they receive the ball and there's an opponent coming close it's guaranteed that the possession will be lost. How can a professional player even struggle to control a simple pass from a defender?
Comfortably worse. But unlike Mourinho, Ole is not going to sabotage the team for whatever egoistical reason that may be.
We were never this bad though. As Sir Alex used to say the EPL table doesn't lie
Indeed.
Also, the footy in Mourinho's first full season was decent. Even in his 2nd the footy was waaaay better than what OGS serves up.
Best
1. Mou 16/17
2. Caretaker Ole 18/19
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3. Mou 17/18
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4. Mou 18/19
5. Manager Ole 19/20
Rubbish
1. Mou 16/17
2. Caretaker Ole 18/19
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3. Mou 17/18
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4. Mou 18/19
5. Manager Ole 19/20
Rubbish
People are just making shit up here because they hate Jose and loves Ole. Put the emotions aside and take a look at the drivel that our team serve up every week. Jose's team only looked like shit when the players quit on him. Ole's team is completely shit right now even when everyone is backing him, especially once his "philosophy" takes place. The only reason our team played well when he was a caretaker was because he has no time to implement his tactics yet and we are playing on the back of Jose's foundation, with the players actually putting in effort and in a much positive mindset. Once it's all gone we hardly looked like a top half team. Results don't lie.
Stop talking useless crap like our injuries and all that, as if Jose's worst run has the whole team available for selection. And this is for a run of shit games stretching more than 20 games. So much excuses for a mediocre manager. I get the romanticism and stuff but please come back to reality.
Stop talking useless crap like our injuries and all that, as if Jose's worst run has the whole team available for selection. And this is for a run of shit games stretching more than 20 games. So much excuses for a mediocre manager. I get the romanticism and stuff but please come back to reality.
Difference is Mourinho would actively initiate and applaud certain zombie football performances. Ole sits on the bench wishing it would magically improve while looking like a zombie.
Absolutely nailed it.
Like there is no middle ground! Same for results, like we're asking Ole to be smashing City and Liverpool rather than comfortably beating relegation sides like Newcastle and the fifth best team in Serbia.
#woodwarddeservesamedal
#bestinthegame
You really honestly hand in heart thinks ole is a genious manager?
Buying players not suited to play any form of possession-based, high-pressing football? How can you like our direction when we continue to fill our squad with players that are best suited to a low block counter-attacking football? A style that will not win or make you competitive over time, other than the odd game against teams willing to attack.
Matic and Lukaku quit on him?
The worst was LVG
I think what appeals to so many of us about Solskjaer is 'the vision'. As United fans it's in our DNA to want to see young players from the academy coming through and also signing the best young players.
In the past that best young players has been the Rooney's and Cristiano's whereas this summer it was a 21 year old championship player and the 3rd choice England right back. Despite that I think we convince ourselves that Greenwood, Garner, Gomes are all on the verge of becoming dominant top level players and that we're about to sign Sancho.
If we don't get a couple of big names that fit the vision in the summer I'd be interested to see if anyone still backs Ole to turn it round. I find myself in the optimistic Ole camp mostly but I think realism is slowly creeping in...
In the past that best young players has been the Rooney's and Cristiano's whereas this summer it was a 21 year old championship player and the 3rd choice England right back. Despite that I think we convince ourselves that Greenwood, Garner, Gomes are all on the verge of becoming dominant top level players and that we're about to sign Sancho.
If we don't get a couple of big names that fit the vision in the summer I'd be interested to see if anyone still backs Ole to turn it round. I find myself in the optimistic Ole camp mostly but I think realism is slowly creeping in...
We looked brilliant against Liverpool I thought, despite running out of gas towards the end. Hopefully we turned a corner there. We'll find out away to Norwich on Sunday.
Obviously we were going to poor last night with 2 of the worst players in the league starting upfront for us, Mata and Lingard. On top of that Martial was nowhere near match fit and it was never gonna be easy for James Garner, who is getting used to a much higher level.
The positives are that most of our first XI will be fresh for Norwich.
Obviously we were going to poor last night with 2 of the worst players in the league starting upfront for us, Mata and Lingard. On top of that Martial was nowhere near match fit and it was never gonna be easy for James Garner, who is getting used to a much higher level.
The positives are that most of our first XI will be fresh for Norwich.
Spot the season we had the strongest squad.
It's about the same.
Mourinho had better players at disposal, yet he played like underdog even in matches United should start on the front foot (Sevilla home glaring example).
Solskjaer has trimmed the squad to the extent there little to nothing real quality, and while football could be much better, these players aren't good enough for the top level and it shows on the pitch.
Both should've done better, but for different circumstances on and off the pitch they haven't. Funny thing is that Jose and Ole both started good, layed foundations for next level, then shit themselves for some reason and started to go backwards.
Think Mourinho is past it, his philosophy can still work to the some extent, but with smaller clubs, or clubs with less expectations than United. Ole is just out of his depth, while he can prepare team for a match, his ingame managment is really poor, he can't adjust to changes during the match and there's no proper plan B.
Mourinho had better players at disposal, yet he played like underdog even in matches United should start on the front foot (Sevilla home glaring example).
Solskjaer has trimmed the squad to the extent there little to nothing real quality, and while football could be much better, these players aren't good enough for the top level and it shows on the pitch.
Both should've done better, but for different circumstances on and off the pitch they haven't. Funny thing is that Jose and Ole both started good, layed foundations for next level, then shit themselves for some reason and started to go backwards.
Think Mourinho is past it, his philosophy can still work to the some extent, but with smaller clubs, or clubs with less expectations than United. Ole is just out of his depth, while he can prepare team for a match, his ingame managment is really poor, he can't adjust to changes during the match and there's no proper plan B.
I will give OLE the benefit with him playing more than half of the players being youth while Mou played established players.
Mourinho did as much damage to Utd as Moyes did and it will take a long time to recover .
Ole has done the right thing in starting clearing out the deadwood and bringing in youth and players that have so far improved us in the transfer market .
He has a long way to go obviously but the seeds are there .
Jose was a complete disaster though and did a great job in suckling all life and hope from the players he managed or mismanaged
Ole has done the right thing in starting clearing out the deadwood and bringing in youth and players that have so far improved us in the transfer market .
He has a long way to go obviously but the seeds are there .
Jose was a complete disaster though and did a great job in suckling all life and hope from the players he managed or mismanaged
If you are talking about Mourinho era United at it's worst then we are currently better. We can at least defend well and our players generally put effort in and compete against the opposition. The attacking is terrible, on par with Van Gaal era United attacking, but I am hopeful that more signings of the calibre that we made in the summer will fix that.
Correct. Appointing Ole in the first place must have been an emotional decision. Making it permanent had a small amount of logic based upon the results up to that point.
But overall it has been yet another bad call. He simply does not have the necessary capabilities to succeed at this level.
Which manager played/plays this way with United? Mourinho or OGS?
Low block, counter attacking, clueless when attacking against a deep sitting team, unable/unwilling to dominate possession.
Low block, counter attacking, clueless when attacking against a deep sitting team, unable/unwilling to dominate possession.
Much worse. Mourinho's appointment was a mistake but even in his final season when he deliberately sabotaged himself and wanted to get sacked for money, the football was never this bad.
Ole is more clueless than Moyes, more boring than Van Gaal and more defensive than Mourinho. We are the only ""top""" club in the world tolerating such amateurish incompetence. Can you imagine RM, Barcelona, Bayern or Juve having patience with a Cardiff reject clearly out of his depth? We used to compete against those clubs...
Ole is more clueless than Moyes, more boring than Van Gaal and more defensive than Mourinho. We are the only ""top""" club in the world tolerating such amateurish incompetence. Can you imagine RM, Barcelona, Bayern or Juve having patience with a Cardiff reject clearly out of his depth? We used to compete against those clubs...
I like the focus on younger players. And Maguire is suited to modern football. You need not be rapid to play in a possession based side - see Pique. However on nearly every other count, and the ones that truly matter, Ole has been a complete disaster.
It's rather absurd that were 14th in the table and we have people claiming he needs more time. If we were 4th to 6th with some signs of a talented manager then sure. But we're absolutely rubbish. It appears many genuinely don't see this as being unacceptable.
What an absurd excuse.
Ole has overseen two transfer windows. Elected not to sign anyone last January and then chose to sell his only reliable goalscorer and focus on an area of the pitch we were heavily stocked. The only player we signed in the summer we desperately needed was AWB.
For all his talk of the "United Way", this is the most un-United side I've ever seen. He is undoubtedly the most defensive coach we've had since SAF and has displayed no consistent style or strategy. The excuse of players being missing is just that, an excuse. He's been here now the best part of a year and we see no signs of improvement, infact we seem to be regressing more than ever.
Blind optimism is all you seen to have because you give no real reasons why Ole should be afforded time that previous, more experienced managers were offered.
Yeah let’s count the caretaker window
This window has been positive if you can’t see that your just blind to anything positive about what he has done.
Why not count that window? He made statements that signings could be made.Yeah let’s count the caretaker window
This window has been positive if you can’t see that your just blind to anything positive about what he has done.
His window was not a success. We signed 3 players, two of whom Stevie Wonder could see were good players and one who had been recommended to him by his mate. Also only really AWB addressed the squads weakness, the other two were unnecessary when we had more pressing issues than defence, mainly the fact we cannot score goals. More alarming is his decision to gut the squad, and sign no replacements. If there were no players that fitted his profile he should not have sanctioned the sales. That is negligence of the highest degree and would be a sackable offence in any other profession let alone another club.
If this shit show was under Jose or any other foreign manager, or any manager for that matter everyone would be calling for their head. But you and the other small subsection of the romantic United fans are blindly following him because of his status as a player. All I see is excuses that would not be afforded to anyone else, so why isn't Ole judged to those standards?
I'd say it's about par. We had some real stinkers under Jose too.
We did, but they were more of the 'exception' rather than the rule. Now it's vice versa where when we have a good game it's the 'exception'.
Ole has just literally said we will try our best to beat fecking Norwich. That's pretty much the lowest of the low.
More pro-Mourinho revisionist nonsense.
The serial winner lost his first game in Europa and when grinding past the likes of Zorya 1-0 at home in the group stages with a full strength line up and bench. I was at that game and it was one of the worst matches I’ve ever seen.
after 3 matches we were one point worse off than we are right now, with two of those games coming at home.
Yes we won it in the end, but we were dire on the way there.
The caf and twitter need to get over this man crush.
The serial winner lost his first game in Europa and when grinding past the likes of Zorya 1-0 at home in the group stages with a full strength line up and bench. I was at that game and it was one of the worst matches I’ve ever seen.
after 3 matches we were one point worse off than we are right now, with two of those games coming at home.
Yes we won it in the end, but we were dire on the way there.
The caf and twitter need to get over this man crush.
The bolded says it all for you, regardless of the odd bad performance. We won't be winning it this season when we can't get a shot on target that is for sure.
And I say that as someone who thought Jose did need to go.
The main difference was Ibrahimovic, and Pogba fit and flying.
Add those 2 into this team and there would be a big difference IMO.
Maybe there would be. But then again we play with absolutely no direction or tactics so we might of experienced the same issues. Also Ole being a yes man was happy to sell our experienced players without replacing them. Therefore he is stuck with what he has. Jose wouldn't of stood for that (hence alot of his frustrations last season).
Agreed. With regards to Europa I remember us deploying with our 1st team, comprising of overpaid mercs that got through playing rubbish.
Yesterday: we played as poorly but deployed our B team, with 3 senior players whose performances on the night leave you wondering how they were pro footballers to start with (talking about Lingard, Mata and Jones).
The difference is you had fickle people with their mouths wide open in awe of the Mou with a please insert sign around the neck.
I don't expect to win the Europa league playing this quality of football, just like I didn't back then. The difference for me is that we get to give time to fringe players that we can assess before going to market, and if we are lucky uncover some gems that can challenge some senior players for their place at the club.
I feel that under Ole we play our worst football since I was born 31 years ago. With Jose I had no hope for the future with Ole it’s feels like there is a plan, at least with transfers.
I was happy to see the back of Lukaku but it wasn’t the right time, now we’re stuck with under performing Rashy and injuries prone Martial, that’s bound to be disaster for us.
I was happy to see the back of Lukaku but it wasn’t the right time, now we’re stuck with under performing Rashy and injuries prone Martial, that’s bound to be disaster for us.
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Worse.
Ole won't get anywhere near the line. He's a League 1 standard manager.
- Equally shite football and entertainment value.
- Equally boring.
- Worse results
Ole won't get anywhere near the line. He's a League 1 standard manager.
I would say Ole is worse than Mourinho's 1st 18th month, because Mourinho has tactics, has variety in attack option, and players have the desire as well. The problem with Mourinho was on players relationship and wasn't just Pogba, but half of the squad. If he could get Matic, Mata, DDG, Lingard and Rashford to perform and produce results, his job might have been saved. And I have not even mention Sanchez...
I like how people say Solskjaer has a plan. What is that plan? Nobody ever actually says what this plan is. Do you know why? Because there isn't one.
People are saying he is rebuilding the team. How? By taking the team in the relegation zone? That is not a rebuild, that is destruction.
Solskjaer isn't just the worst at Manutd; he is the worst in the Premier League. By far the worst United have been.
People are saying he is rebuilding the team. How? By taking the team in the relegation zone? That is not a rebuild, that is destruction.
Solskjaer isn't just the worst at Manutd; he is the worst in the Premier League. By far the worst United have been.
The reason may have something to do with the £24million incentive written into his contract to get sacked