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Why is this being blown into a huge deal? Players have been booed before.. many times. It usually blows over.
 

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Let's face it, the fans' anger comes from a sense of impotent rage at the lightning rods for their own inadequacies failing to assuage those feelings of impotence and inadequacy just for a few hours each week. It's also an opportunity for them to get angry and hurl envious abuse at someone who's much richer than them and always will be. It's pretty sad that they feel the need to shout at someone who kicks a ball around for a living, but it is what it is.
 

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I'd do the same. It's not like in my current, much lower paying job I don't get abuse. Actresses, actors, footballers, binman, pizza delivery man, whoever in the world all have struggles at some point in their life and They all have a chance to be depressed.

Just because you're a rich footballer doesn't mean people should be protecting you from depression. Like wtf, seriously? Your average Joes get abuse at their workplaces in all sort of forms and They don't get to bang hot models while staying in their comfy mansion and drive a car that is at least twice as expensive as the average house prices.

Low risk low return, high risk high return. Besides, if you have never acted like a tit people generally like you anyway. Unless if you're shite at the job that They paid you to do. Getting boos is hard? try receiving death threats when you send wrong Pizzas. Hostility isn't good but guess what? everyone and their mothers went through it.
Ok, I get your argument. It's justifiable for people to be absolute cnuts because it's just what some people are. Got it.
 
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The idea that footballers shouldn't react because they earn lots of money, to me is backward. I have worked in jobs where I got abuse. I worked in a call centre during my uni days and I got tons of abuse. Even still, it can't be compared to hundreds/thousands of people raining abuse on you, following you online to continue the abuse and threatening your loved ones. It is not comparable.
Any human being under those conditions for a sustained period will react, millionaire or not.
That is all well and good but he is arsenal captain so should be setting a example to his team and the younger players. That's a terrible way to conduct yourself. Black players have faced racist abuse and have reacted as poorly as xhaka.
 

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If fans ever treat a player the same way Xhaka has been treated, I wouldn't blame for a reaction one bit. And remember this was the second consecutive time it's happened, this isn't the first time he's been booed off the pitch.

And honestly from the matches I've watched, Xhaka hasn't been nearly that bad. It's just the fans picking one player they want to hate no matter how he performs.
We've treated pogba like that yet has never acted in such a way.
 

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I just can't believe The Keeper of the Keys has caused such disharmony within his own fanbase.

This guy was supposedly a better signing than Pogba.

He is The Keeper of the Keys, for God's sake. His Brother's Keeper! Show some damn respect.
 

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Ok, I get your argument. It's justifiable for people to be absolute cnuts because it's just what some people are. Got it.
:confused: If that's your take from "Everyone can have a depression, most have worse life than footballers and We are not responsible to defend someone just because They're famous" then sure. I bet there wouldn't be this much uproar if it's the linesman They're booing.
 

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That is all well and good but he is arsenal captain so should be setting a example to his team and the younger players. That's a terrible way to conduct yourself. Black players have faced racist abuse and have reacted as poorly as xhaka.
I get your point that they didn't react back in the day, but today that racist abuse is usually from oppo fans. This is your own fans hurling abuse at you and your pregnant wife. I feel for Xhaka here
 

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Xhaka is a lazy git though. I'm not surprised Arsenal fans don't like him - I'd hate him if he was a United player.

And walking off slowly when the team you captain is running out of time while chasing a winner is piss poor. His reaction and his failure to come out and apologise for it just smacks of a fella who doesn't take responsibility for his own failures to me. Doesn't seem like captain material at all.
 

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Jeez, wtf is that? The absolute drama. This torreira chap would fit perfectly with some of ours spineless cowards.
Being emotional is not same as being spineless. Emotions can be great motivation really.

Take your ''men dont cry" ideology and have a rethink.
 
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Being emotional is not same as being spineless. Emotions can be great motivation really.

Take your ''men dont cry" ideology and have a rethink.
Being emotional is not same as being spineless. But he was emotional over what exactly? Over a group of fans booing their overpaid player and the player giving some back? Give me a rest, drama over nothing.
 

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Being emotional is not same as being spineless. Emotions can be great motivation really.

Take your ''men dont cry" ideology and have a rethink.
Christ if I cried at work I’d have to find a new career, it’s weak and if he was one of my teammates I’d be less than impressed.
 

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Being emotional is not same as being spineless. Emotions can be great motivation really.

Take your ''men dont cry" ideology and have a rethink.
Men can cry but not over something like this IMHO

Christ if I cried at work I’d have to find a new career, it’s weak and if he was one of my teammates I’d be less than impressed.
It's all about context. Xhaka didn't die or didn't get injured did he :lol: ? This seems a bit wrong for me too
 

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Men can cry but not over something like this IMHO


It's all about context. Xhaka didn't die or didn't get injured did he :lol: ? This seems a bit wrong for me too
What’s next jazz hands only in the crowd like those snowflakes at university :lol:
 

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:confused: If that's your take from "Everyone can have a depression, most have worse life than footballers and We are not responsible to defend someone just because They're famous" then sure. I bet there wouldn't be this much uproar if it's the linesman They're booing.
There should be. Which is entirely my point. I do not give a toss how much someone earns - there is no excuse or justification for verbal abuse. None.

But apparently it's okay as either

1) Footballers at this level earn a lot of money, so they should just take as it's part of their job. Or:

2) "People who get paid a lot less than they do get abuse at their jobs. For example people who work as carers, retail workers have to take it. It's just what people do when they are frustrated"

Sounds more to me that people simply need to stop being complete arseholes to other people, regardless of what they do for a living. If you justify the abuse (and let's be clear, it's abuse), you really need to to take a good look in the mirror.
 
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It seems like Evra's comments about Arsenal being baby's is still true. Must be a culture stuck within the club. Far cry from the days of Dixon, Keown, Adams and Winterburn..

As for football players getting booed so what. It's not a new thing and getting booed is hardly the much of a big deal. His reaction to it was very telling about his mentality and the less said about the tweet about Torriera the better.
 

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The toxic masculinity in this thread is pathetic.

Yea. So funny booing or own players, giving them death threats, harassing their pregnant wiives. Bunch of pussy Arsenal players, right?

It seems like Evra's comments about Arsenal being baby's is still true. Must be a culture stuck within the club. Far cry from the days of Dixon, Keown, Adams and Winterburn..

As for football players getting booed so what. It's not a new thing and getting booed is hardly the much of a big deal. His reaction to it was very telling about his mentality and the less said about the tweet about Torriera the better.
Adams openly talked about his own depression during the mid 90s. Wtf are you talking about?

“Then I got injured and couldn’t play football, which was my release. Football saved me and killed me: if I hadn’t had football, maybe I would have learned to deal with my feelings instead of suppressing them.

This is the whole fecking problem.
 
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Let's be honest, Arsenal fans aren't a classy bunch. Its not the first time they've done this- Wenger was abused inside and outside the stadium, Eboue's substitution was celebrated, they hated Ramsey, Ozil hasn't been liked either and Mustafi has been subject to ridicule for few years now.
Sure, he may not be a good player, but the least you can do is give respect to someone who's playing week in week out in front of 60k people and a few million watching and analysing his every move.
Was he correct in cupping his ears? No, but abuse cannot be a one way street. If you're abusing him and his wife, they should be ready to face disrespect as well
 

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Are you suggesting the Arsenal fans in the ground (who he told to feck off) were giving him death threats or harassing his pregnant wife?
So you're saying his reaction has nothing to do with how he has been treated before? That's utter nonsense, it's the completely toxic nature of Arsenal and their fans.
 

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So you're saying his reaction has nothing to do with how he has been treated before? That's utter nonsense, it's the completely toxic nature of Arsenal and their fans.
Treated before by who? I'll ask again, are you suggesting the Arsenal fans in the ground (who he told to feck off) were giving him death threats or harassing his pregnant wife?

He got boo'd off because he was shit, they needed a goal and he was trudging off at a snails pace. I bet 99.99% of those in the ground had no idea his wife was pregnant, let alone harassed her.

I would imagine he's got abuse on social media, like every single famous person on social media does.
 

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Treated before by who? I'll ask again, are you suggesting the Arsenal fans in the ground (who he told to feck off) were giving him death threats or harassing his pregnant wife?

He got boo'd off because he was shit, they needed a goal and he was trudging off at a snails pace. I bet 99.99% of those in the ground had no idea his wife was pregnant, let alone harassed her.

I would imagine he's got abuse on social media, like every single famous person on social media does.
How the feck does it matter if the people at the ground specifically harassed his wife? And no he wasn't just harassed on social media, fans once confronted him at his car with his wife in it and started hurling abuses at him. Oh wait, they didn't exactly say stuff to his wife so he wouldn't have been right in reacting then, right?

Fecks sake the right people think they have over abusing others just because you pay money. If you go to a fine dining restuarant and the food isn't good, you aren't going to go into the kitchen and tell the cook to feck off. You pay money to see the product and if you don't like the product, don't go to the stadium then! If you say you have to go because of being a supporter, then support the players! Fans want players to be 'loyal' to the badge but feel they have the right to treat them like crap.

The pikachu meme perfectly illustrates it.
 

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How the feck does it matter if the people at the ground specifically harassed his wife? And no he wasn't just harassed on social media, fans once confronted him at his car with his wife in it and started hurling abuses at him. Oh wait, they didn't exactly say stuff to his wife so he wouldn't have been right in reacting then, right?

Fecks sake the right people think they have over abusing others just because you pay money. If you go to a fine dining restuarant and the food isn't good, you aren't going to go into the kitchen and tell the cook to feck off. You pay money to see the product and if you don't like the product, don't go to the stadium then! If you say you have to go because of being a supporter, then support the players! Fans want players to be 'loyal' to the badge but feel they have the right to treat them like crap.

The pikachu meme perfectly illustrates it.
He should certainly react to the person giving him abuse in his car, everyone would understand that. He should not blame the Arsenal fans in the ground because someone else, outside of the ground gave him death threats or abused his pregnant wife. If he's not in the mental state to compete (and I would understand that), then don't play.

I think paying fans have the right to boo players, especially if they are the team captain who does not seem interested in helping the team. Is that abuse? I don't think so.

I have no idea what a pikachu meme is, I'm old.
 

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He should certainly react to the person giving him abuse in his car, everyone would understand that. He should not blame the Arsenal fans in the ground because someone else, outside of the ground gave him death threats or abused his pregnant wife. If he's not in the mental state to compete (and I would understand that), then don't play.

I think paying fans have the right to boo players, especially if they are the team captain who does not seem interested in helping the team. Is that abuse? I don't think so.

I have no idea what a pikachu meme is, I'm old.
To be fair thats the second time in a week they were taking the piss out of him when his number come up. Makes even less sense considering most are saying he wasnt even having a bad game. The slow walk off the pitch seems like an excuse. Fans are supposed to get behind the team. Booing after a bad performance id get but thats not the case here.
 

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Surprised at the defence of Xhaka. I mean really was what he got that bad. He got some ironic cheers and some boos after trudging off slower than Lukaku turns but that’s low level to what some footballers have to put up with. It’s not like he’s been getting booed out of the ground every week.
There are black footballers getting abused on a regular basis purely because of their race and they’ve been professional enough to deal with it without getting into a slanging match with fans. And they’d probably be within their rights to give some back.
Xhaka is captain and he’s been performing somewhere between average and mediocre for about three years now, if on one occasion arsenal fans give him some stick he should be professional enough to brush it off. How has throwing a strop helped?
And I’m not sure what Torreira is in bits about. fecking get a grip mate.
 

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He should certainly react to the person giving him abuse in his car, everyone would understand that. He should not blame the Arsenal fans in the ground because someone else, outside of the ground gave him death threats or abused his pregnant wife. If he's not in the mental state to compete (and I would understand that), then don't play.

I think paying fans have the right to boo players, especially if they are the team captain who does not seem interested in helping the team. Is that abuse? I don't think so.

I have no idea what a pikachu meme is, I'm old.
Ofcourse you do, everyone has a right to, but then the person you're abusing (yes, saying feck off to someone is abusing) has every right to do that him/herself and shouldn't be called out for it.

Surprised at the defence of Xhaka. I mean really was what he got that bad. He got some ironic cheers and some boos after trudging off slower than Lukaku turns but that’s low level to what some footballers have to put up with. It’s not like he’s been getting booed out of the ground every week.
There are black footballers getting abused on a regular basis purely because of their race and they’ve been professional enough to deal with it without getting into a slanging match with fans. And they’d probably be within their rights to give some back.
Xhaka is captain and he’s been performing somewhere between average and mediocre for about three years now, if on one occasion arsenal fans give him some stick he should be professional enough to brush it off. How has throwing a strop helped?
And I’m not sure what Torreira is in bits about. fecking get a grip mate.
Where have you been?

1. This is the second time in a row he's been booed off
2. He has been abused by fans when in his car with his wife
3. He has been regularly abused online, with some comments going after his wife.

So, no, this isn't one occasion but a toxic atmosphere that been festering at the club for years no. Social media being the biggest contributor.
 

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Surprised at the defence of Xhaka. I mean really was what he got that bad. He got some ironic cheers and some boos after trudging off slower than Lukaku turns but that’s low level to what some footballers have to put up with. It’s not like he’s been getting booed out of the ground every week.
There are black footballers getting abused on a regular basis purely because of their race and they’ve been professional enough to deal with it without getting into a slanging match with fans. And they’d probably be within their rights to give some back.
Xhaka is captain and he’s been performing somewhere between average and mediocre for about three years now, if on one occasion arsenal fans give him some stick he should be professional enough to brush it off. How has throwing a strop helped?
And I’m not sure what Torreira is in bits about. fecking get a grip mate.
It seems more than just the booing. Hes been made a scapegoat since being made captain (not his choice) hes continuously being played even though his performances warranted being dropped (not his decision)
He and his pregnant wife have had abuse by arsenal fans online even over his kid thats just been born. Theyve even confronted the pair in his car to abuse him.
Seems all this has added to it and hes lost it.
 

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Ofcourse you do, everyone has a right to, but then the person you're abusing (yes, saying feck off to someone is abusing) has every right to do that him/herself and shouldn't be called out for it.
If it's the club captain, it's noteworthy enough to be called out. It's not the biggest story in the world of course but still an interesting development.
 

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Dont get the fuss, i dont see anything wrong. Both parties could have behaved better, but the show must go on. Arsenal are such a drama club, nobody got killed. They are where they usually are, in the top 4-6 fight. Xhaka or no Xhaka, this wont change. That a captain is underperforming is nothing new