Racism in Italy - even anti-racism is filled with racism

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I have lived and worked in Malaysia and Singapore. Like you said, it's a culture where people are more open to making fun of each others race and it's often times done in a playful way. However it also has horrible knock on effects.

For instance, we once had a candidate come in who was Malay. Having previously worked around Malay, Chinese and Indian colleagues I have heard the racial jokes made at the expense of each racial group and the group subjected to the joke always laughed it off. It was a little uncomfortable at first but I then got used to it. My perceptions of it just being a joke changed however when this Malay candidate came in. The guy was excellent and when he was being evaluated, one of my colleagues mentioned casually that he's good but because he's Malay, probably lazy too. This shocked me and I questioned him about him. He looked at me puzzled and said we joke about it all the time so surely you must know.

And therein lies the problem, making fun of stereotypes have deeper implications. And I have seen it for all racial groups - when amongst colleagues, the Indians in the group are made fun of as being drunks and they laugh it off - my Chinese colleague's parent refused to allow her hand in marriage to her Indian boyfriend because they felt he would get drunk and beat her. A different Chinese colleague who got married and didn't invite a few of us was shunned as people kept saying stuff like it's typical of a Chinese person to be ungrateful and greedy.

These things can be funny but also have more serious consequences and that's why we need to be more careful about stereotyping groups of people. If Malaysia is your benchmark for why stereotyping is fine, I think you seriously need to reevaluate.
Look, you are using one example of your personal experience to conclude that stereotyping is off limits too? I just used my experience in my earlier post and I said it can be harmless too. Are you saying that all kinds stereotyping is off limits? We can't even joke about it amongst mates? Is that the kind of world you really want to live in? Let me repeat this to you again mate, it's ALL about where you draw the line.
 

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Thats West Europe for you.
What West Europe?

Like Germans and Swedish who refuse to complain about the crime made by middle eastern refugees for the fear of being called racist?

Be serious please.
 

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Racism against another black footballer in Italy. This time Balotelli being the target
 

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Racism against another black footballer in Italy. This time Balotelli being the target
Serie A is a disgusting joke of a league tbh. Their FA equivalent does feck all and clearly don't care for the racism complaints. Uefa are the same too. I reckon more drastic responses are required than to follow rubbish protocall.
 

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Fair play to him for walking off, that takes a lot of courage when there's hundreds (thousands?) shouting vile abuse. He did end up back on the pitch and even scored, too.

Disheartening that the game continued, it would have sent a real message if his whole team had gone off
 

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Fair play to him for walking off, that takes a lot of courage when there's hundreds (thousands?) shouting vile abuse. He did end up back on the pitch and even scored, too.

Disheartening that the game continued, it would have sent a real message if his whole team had gone off
Wait, he walked off and the rest of his team didn't follow?
 

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Wait, he walked off and the rest of his team didn't follow?
Yeah apparently they were all trying to convince him to rejoin (he eventually did, obviously), and a manager (I'm guessing the opposition manager) claimed after the game there were no racists chants at all. Madness.
 

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Yeah apparently they were all trying to convince him to rejoin (he eventually did, obviously), and a manager (I'm guessing the opposition manager) claimed after the game there were no racists chants at all. Madness.
That's really, really bad in my opinion. The team should have walked off with him without hesitation.

Any team I've ever played in backed each other up regardless of the level or even what the provocation was (and I played at the shittiest of shit levels). The idea of training with someone day in, day out and NOT having their back is unthinkable.
 

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From the same fans who are openly neo-nazis. What a surprise!
 

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His “teammates” can feck off, so can the idiot opponent covering his mouth the cnut.

Mario held his composure there, from when the ball gets kicked out the crowd anyone trying to stop my march back to the couch is a target.

Be nice if a football body just came out & said they don’t actually give a s***. This is ongoing in that league & all they do is placate both sides; just shift the blame to the fans & say there’s nothing you’ll do about it as a league instead of these fake responses. That way black players can at least tell the league to do one without retribution on their characters.
 

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The Italian teams should be banned from European competitions. That’ll get the clubs to put pressure on Italian FA real fecking quick.
 

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That is wretched. Balotelli is totally alone out there, it's horrible to watch.

His team mates should have walked with him. Those near him should have put an arm around him at least, not tried to stop him.


This sort of thing should be shocking, but when this happens in the same league as Inter fans defending opposition fans who racially abused an Inter player, it doesn't look like there is an end in sight.
 

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In general I'm not sure whether the best organised response to racist chants from the crowd is immediate walk-offs or (as in the recent England game) a series of warnings and stoppages prior to that.

However, once Balotelli makes the decision to leave his teammates should back him. If they're able to convince him to come back on in the dressing room (and the ref allows it) then that's all well and good but he absolutely shouldn't be making that walk on his own with teammates arguing with him.
 

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I've gained a lot of respect for Balotelli over the years. Terrible to see him or anyone treated like that :(. Feels like racism is getting worse again in huge parts of the world.
 

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This video appeared on La Repubblica was taken directly from the sector of the self proclamed neonazis who provoked Balotelli until his burst

https://video.repubblica.it/sport/v...347818?ref=RHPPLF-BL-I240133652-C8-P3-S2.5-T1

Again, blackness is just the tool they use to make you boil... if you are balkan then you are a zingaro di merda, if a neapolitan then Vesuvio should wash you with fire, if an unwanted neighbour then you are a cuckold for sure and so on.

It seems the FIGC inspectors heard the abuse and that a report is going to be passed to the FIGC judge deliberating on Tuesday... but for what kind of violation and subsequent punishment exactly, and against who? These individuals, the club they blackmail week in week out, possibly the entire league to force clubs to get rid of ultras everywhere?
 

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These "ultras" are just a group of frustrated and low IQ people that should be identified and banned from the stadiums by their respective clubs.

Baffling how Italian clubs are so blasé about it. Maybe the owners are just as ill-intentioned.
 

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Give him a 10 match ban and a deduct the team points for that aswell. What an absolute looser, it's like a wealthy bilionaire throwing a hissy fit on a golf course because his ball is not properly polished.
Who, Balotelli?

If that’s what you’re saying, thankfully you won’t be here for very long.
 

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I appreciate its a societal issue and not so easy for football to solve, but what exactly have the Italian FA done? At least from an outsiders perspective, it doesn't seem like a great deal. I would therefore now go further and say Italy should be banned from all international football and all Italian football clubs should be banned from all international tournaments. There is a precedent with banning Russia from the Olympics because of doping. Lets take some serious fecking action against racism for once...
 

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Give him a 10 match ban and a deduct the team points for that aswell. What an absolute looser, it's like a wealthy bilionaire throwing a hissy fit on a golf course because his ball is not properly polished.
If you mean Balotelli, and it seems you do, you can feck right off.
 

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Give him a 10 match ban and a deduct the team points for that aswell. What an absolute looser, it's like a wealthy bilionaire throwing a hissy fit on a golf course because his ball is not properly polished.
New poster i see. This is a more civilised forum than most. Keep your racism away from this forum. We dont all think like you.
 

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New poster i see. This is a more civilised forum than most. Keep your racism away from this forum. We dont all think like you.
I wouldn't even bother engaging. Every now and again you see a post and mentally mark the poster as someone who won't be posting for long here anyway.
 

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New poster i see. This is a more civilised forum than most. Keep your racism away from this forum. We dont all think like you.
Suffers racism, gets called an absolute looser (sic).

Hopefully the mods remove the post, to be honest. We don't need to see that stuff here.
 

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If the clubs dont remove the racism from the stands then they are responsible for the racism and in some ways compliant. If thats the case, any Italian football club found not to be implementing strict rules regarding banning racists from the ground should be banned from European football competitions indefinitely.

Any football club should not be sending players out onto a football field to be racially abused and then do nothing about it. If you were racially abused at work the person responsible would be either seriously reprimanded or sacked, not allowed to continue to abuse you indefinitely.
 

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Out of all the recent incidents this one is genuinely distressing and sickening to see. Was he missing Italy that much to go back ? I'm shocked he made the move.
 

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Give him a 10 match ban and a deduct the team points for that aswell. What an absolute looser, it's like a wealthy bilionaire throwing a hissy fit on a golf course because his ball is not properly polished.
one of the worst analogies of all time :lol:
 

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I still don't get how someone is picked on for the colour of their skin, the people who do that must have a sad life and properly insecured that they lash on any difference to make themselves feel better.
Also, they have small balls, none of them would try that with Balotelli while in the ally at night.
 

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I really don't get his team mates reactions. Surely you should be on the side of your team mate. Unless they are all ok with him being abused, surely once they work out that is what has caused the reaction (if they were not already aware) then they should be supporting him.

I really don't understand why any black player goes and plays in these leagues.
 

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I really don't get his team mates reactions. Surely you should be on the side of your team mate. Unless they are all ok with him being abused, surely once they work out that is what has caused the reaction (if they were not already aware) then they should be supporting him.

I really don't understand why any black player goes and plays in these leagues.
Some black players don't have any other interesting offers but to play in Italy.
 

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Some black players don't have any other interesting offers but to play in Italy.
The saddest truth in this matter.

Earn money, face discrimination or don’t earn at all.

That league is a shambles from Serie A officials all the way down to the fans [some of obviously].
 

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The world continues to surprise you everyday. And as many have said, nothing will happen, nothing will change and racists will continue winning.
 

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none of them would try that with Balotelli while in the ally at night.
Yeah, abou that, that's part of the problem actually. Many of these groups are effectively crime syndicates....hence clubs being reluctant to fight them