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what can I say... I’m an optimist :-)Ole will bite your hand off for that given the state now.
Simple really, I don't think any manager would get top 4 with this squad.it's mad, 47% of people don't want him sacked yet 97% of people think we will miss out on top four. The f*ck are that 44% smoking if they think it's OK to keep a manager who has no chance of getting top four?
thank feck for that, I was worried there for a minute !I like what you did there, Roonster me old chum - you took simple logic and blasted it wider than a Phil Jones penalty...
Oppo WUMs being 'Ole in', does not make all 'Ole in' posters Oppo WUMs!
The Man Utd way!Top 4 is gone, top 6 is obtainable though I do think we will finish 8th. I hope we win the Europa league.
If we finished 8th will Ole he sacked as it be our worst finish in PL history
If we win EL he will stay.Top 4 is gone, top 6 is obtainable though I do think we will finish 8th. I hope we win the Europa league.
If we finished 8th will Ole he sacked as it be our worst finish in PL history
This is not the same squad as the Mourinho one. Just from the top of my head I'm sure there have been at least 5 teenagers regularly in the squad that weren't around when Mourinho was here. Then the likes of Smalling, Ibrahimovic, Lukaku, Mkhytaryan, Sanchez, Schwensteiger, Rooney are gone while Dalot, Pogba, Bailly and Matic have barely played for whatever reasoning.This argument falls apart when you realise that the squad Ole inherited finished 2nd the season before under Mourinho. The narrative at the time was that Mourinho's negative tactics were holding us back and that we can challenge City if we improve upon it. Certainly capable of top 4 anyway.
The fact that people now believe we have no chance whatsoever of top 4 after one summer window with Ole spending 150m on new signings shows what a disastrous job he has done here.
The 47% are away with the fairies and wildly deluded. Their reasoning is not objectively based on actual football performances and history, that's for sure.
Plenty of managers would get top four with this squad.Simple really, I don't think any manager would get top 4 with this squad.
I didn't think we'd get it last season either even after finishing 2nd, didn't mean I wanted Mourinho sacked.
Buying players in January isn't a bad thing to do. Its using one of only two opportunities on the annual calendar to improve the squad, which we absolutely need to do. Come January 1st we are still going to be fighting in 3 cup competitions as well as the league. I really don't understand your viewpoint here at all, and to be honest it reads like you are just looking for the negative in every situation.Transform it into a team that finishes sixth, though, so what's the point?
I'm just curious because you've often said on here that Ole needs time to build a squad and we need to stop chopping and changing and making reactionary decisions, yet buying two players in January is about as reactionary as you can possibly get, especially when there's no tangible benefit to doing so, because really, what does it matter if we finish 6th, 10th, or 14th?
Strongly disagree with thisPlenty of managers would get top four with this squad.
I'm not being negative, I genuinely just don't see the point in buying in January unless it will mean we can achieve top four. Janaury purchases are usually more expensive and have a far lower success rate than summer purchases. They usually don't hit the ground running either because obviously they haven't had a pre-season. There are exceptions like VVD and Auba though, to be fair, and I wouldn't complain if we did sign a player of that proven quality.Buying players in January isn't a bad thing to do. Its using one of only two opportunities on the annual calendar to improve the squad, which we absolutely need to do. Come January 1st we are still going to be fighting in 3 cup competitions as well as the league. I really don't understand your viewpoint here at all, and to be honest it reads like you are just looking for the negative in every situation.
Arsenal and Spurs have both been shite, right now Leicester look the most likely team to get 4th spot and it's ridiculous to think they have a better squad than we do. This isn't a great squad but the standard in the battle for fourth is terrible right now so a really good manager could definitely get us there.Strongly disagree with this
I find it hillarious when people says no manager can get better than ole. Brendan rodger did it with less budget with us.I'm not being negative, I genuinely just don't see the point in buying in January unless it will mean we can achieve top four. Janaury purchases are usually more expensive and have a far lower success rate than summer purchases. They usually don't hit the ground running either because obviously they haven't had a pre-season. There are exceptions like VVD and Auba though, to be fair, and I wouldn't complain if we did sign a player of that proven quality.
Ultimately if we are planning to persist with Ole, which I (wrongly) think we are, and if we are not expecting January purchases to result in any significant improvement to the squad, I'd much prefer to wait til the Summer and assess what we require then, do some proper planning and not make any reactionary purchases to our current dire situation in order to go from 10th to 6th or 7th.
Arsenal and Spurs have both been shite, right now Leicester look the most likely team to get 4th spot and it's ridiculous to think they have a better squad than we do. This isn't a great squad but the standard in the battle for fourth is terrible right now so a really good manager could definitely get us there.
But yet in the last 6 years we've only finished top 4 twice and most would agree this is our worst squad in that time.Plenty of managers would get top four with this squad.
Yeah because our managers did a shite job, just like our current manager is doing a shite job. The two years our managers did a reasonable job, they finished 4th and 2nd, funnily enough.6th or 7th. Not sure whether that will be enough for the Europa.
But yet in the last 6 years we've only finished top 4 twice and most would agree this is our worst squad in that time.
The 'top 6' would all have fans that believe there side should finish top 4, plus there's now Leicester in the mix. They can't all be right.
I doubt the plan is to bring players in regardless - in fact I'm certain of it. If they don't think that a player is going to have an impact and improve results they won't sign them, and then fans (including yourself probably) will be in uproar that we are not investing. We will see. I'm not 100% certain that we will bring someone in during January, but I'm 100% certain that we will try.I'm not being negative, I genuinely just don't see the point in buying in January unless it will mean we can achieve top four. Janaury purchases are usually more expensive and have a far lower success rate than summer purchases. They usually don't hit the ground running either because obviously they haven't had a pre-season. There are exceptions like VVD and Auba though, to be fair, and I wouldn't complain if we did sign a player of that proven quality.
Ultimately if we are planning to persist with Ole, which I (wrongly) think we are, and if we are not expecting January purchases to result in any significant improvement to the squad, I'd much prefer to wait til the Summer and assess what we require then, do some proper planning and not make any reactionary purchases to our current dire situation in order to go from 10th to 6th or 7th.
Arsenal and Spurs have both been shite, right now Leicester look the most likely team to get 4th spot and it's ridiculous to think they have a better squad than we do. This isn't a great squad but the standard in the battle for fourth is terrible right now so a really good manager could definitely get us there.
What do you mean including me? I'm fecking arguing against signing players in January, how the hell would that include me? Get off your high horse.I doubt the plan is to bring players in regardless - in fact I'm certain of it. If they don't think that a player is going to have an impact and improve results they won't sign them, and then fans (including yourself probably) will be in uproar that we are not investing. We will see. I'm not 100% certain that we will bring someone in during January, but I'm 100% certain that we will try.
Just to be completely clear here, you are the one who said if we sign two players in January then we will finish sixth, so it sounds like you're the one who's writing off top four. Which is it?By the way - 10 points off of fourth in November does not mean that we should be giving up on finishing top four. There are 81 points left to play for.
Umm, don't think you know which way round under and over par are, mate.As for your final point the only managers that are exceeding expectation significantly so far are Rodgers and Chris Wilder. Klopp & Pep are both par. Lampard slightly under par. Ole, Poch & Emery are all over par so far, by varying margins. IMO of course. This belief that there are a variety of options out there that would transform is complete bunkum - though I do confess that the thought of seeing Wenger here should it all go tits up does stir some excitement within me.
I didn't say Leicester have a better squad. They have a good first 11 that they have been able to get on the pitch nearly every week, we haven't.Yeah because our managers did a shite job, just like our current manager is doing a shite job. The two years our managers did a reasonable job, they finished 4th and 2nd, funnily enough.
There's simply no way Leicester have a better squad than us. Much better manager, though.
If we had Rodgers instead of Ole do you not at least think we would be doing better than we currently are?
You can't say for certain if Rodgers would do a better job than Ole? Are you kidding me?I didn't say Leicester have a better squad. They have a good first 11 that they have been able to get on the pitch nearly every week, we haven't.
Assuming the same injury problems, I can't say for certain either way.
I'm predicting sixth - that's not the same as saying that I think top 4 is complete out of the question. Depending on what business we do, if any, in January then we can revisit our predictions of course.What do you mean including me? I'm fecking arguing against signing players in January, how the hell would that include me? Get off your high horse.
Just to be completely clear here, you are the one who said if we sign two players in January then we will finish sixth, so it sounds like you're the one who's writing off top four. Which is it?
Umm, don't think you know which way round under and over par are, mate.
Look, what you said is that if we sign two players in January we could get sixth. I think it's completely pointless for us to do that if the best we'll finish is sixth, because generally January purchases have a lower success rate than summer purchases. That's simply true. The only scenario we should buy in January is if it gives us a real, genuine chance at top four, which neither of us believe to be the case.
If only football was as simple as how good the manager is perceived to be. Mourinho would still be here winning trophies instead of finishing 6th and leaving us in 8th. Mancini would never have beat SAF to a title.You can't say for certain if Rodgers would do a better job than Ole? Are you kidding me?
I'm really not sure where you're getting your definition of under par from but the standard definition is not the same as the golf version.I'm predicting sixth - that's not the same as saying that I think top 4 is complete out of the question. Depending on what business we do, if any, in January then we can revisit our predictions of course.
The par thing is fine - not sure how you were reading it. Lampard is slightly under par IM but not enough to suggest that he is killing it in the same way as Rodgers and Wilder are. Chelsea still have a very strong squad of players.
As for January signings if we can bring in players to improve us then we have to do it regardless of whether we think it will tip the balance into top four or not. As I said we still have 3 cup competitions to go after.
Why can't you just answer my question instead of giving me irrelevant examples?If only football was as simple as how good the manager is perceived to be. Mourinho would still be here winning trophies instead of finishing 6th and leaving us in 8th. Mancini would never have beat SAF to a title.
You asked me if I could be certain that Rodgers would do a better job than Solskjaer. No I can't be certain. There are no certainties in football. As per my irrelevant examples.Why can't you just answer my question instead of giving me irrelevant examples?
Mourinho won us 2 trophies the year he finished sixth and then got us to second. It was also clear that the Mourinho we got was not the Mourinho of old. He wasn't good enough, just like Ole.
No I originally asked you if you think Rodgers would you a better job than Ole? You changed it to phrase as certain. Are you not allowed to express an opinion on which manager you think would do better? Does everything have to be in certainties?You asked me if I could be certain that Rodgers would do a better job than Solskjaer. No I can't be certain. There are no certainties in football. As per my irrelevant examples.
I defend him because there is so much nonsense on here that he's the' worst manager in the PL' and the like, not that I've ever said I think he's a great manager who will deliver titles for us.No I originally asked you if you think Rodgers would you a better job than Ole? You changed it to phrase as certain. Are you not allowed to express an opinion on which manager you think would do better? Does everything have to be in certainties?
I mean it would explain why you so vehemently defend Ole as I guess you can't say with 100% certainty that any manager would improve us, but it's very likely, based on simple common sense, that a better manager than Ole, like Rodgers, would improve us.
And again you won't answer my question!I defend him because there is so much nonsense on here that he's the' worst manager in the PL' and the like, not that I've ever said I think he's a great manager who will deliver titles for us.
I get that Rodgers is the current flavour of the month, earlier in the season names like Farke, Hassenhuttl, Silva and Howe have been hyped up on here as well. Old favourites like Poch seem to have lost some of their appeal on here.
I believe that closer to the truth is that there is a whole load of managers similar in quality with a couple of outliers in Guardiola and Klopp. Some are better fit for their clubs than others but thinking any of them will come and solve all our problems is clutching at straws.