Probably because they fall for everyone else's version too
Ander Herrera: Football not always most important thing at United (Read translation for context)
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
People believe the version that agrees with their view on things. It's human nature.
Not in italian football and Leonardo's formation as a director comes from there
This definitely isn't the case. Read Pogba's threads if you're unsure.
I think its fantastic, like Herrera even more for it. His side of the story was he felt disrespected by the club, here he has no problem throwing shade on Woodward and his merry men
It's like some of our fans can't withstand the idea some players will prefer playing for other clubs than us thanks to our current state. First Lukaku and now this. People simply need to adapt to the fact we're not the ultimate target for any player anymore.
I'm not unsure. I see people who agree with every player's story, and some who dont
This is true, but that's a separate issue from Herrera being untrustworthy in the press.
Pressure? What pressure? Avoid relegation?
Pogba as well. DDG was off to Madrid. Mainly the ones who want to stay here are the ones everybody wants rid of.
Its why he was so popular here. Always said the right things and it was easy for him.
I think people will agree with the story they want to agree with.
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I included Leonardo in a previous post, he is the one setting the tone not El Khelaifi and Blanc. At United it has always been the manager's role, it was SAF first mention to fix and redefine the club's culture.
It's in french but basically at Juventus you work harder, the staff is on your back, they have more people, everyone reminds you that the club has a rich history, your days are longer, etc.
They brought Leonardo back didn't they, maybe he is instilling that hard work ethic back into the club.
The guy said he was very happy while he was at Manchester. He said nothing contradictory to his earlier quotes re the club :
However there're things that you can't say when you're under contract with that club, even if it was truth, like football being not the most important thing. However, for the rest of his quotes, he said he was happy there etc. How does that contradict his quotes while he was here ?
Not like he went on and said the club was crap and hated his days here.
It's just as I said, some fans can't withstand the idea not all players want to play here any longer.
They did and it's a good thing, they were allegedly going on the wrong path with players and staff doing whatever they wanted, however they wanted.
Maybe that is what Ander is alluding to then. We really need someone like him at United.
Also I know Neymar is a great player, but do you think they would really prefer him gone if they could get a top class replacement? One who has less side issues?
I'm not disputing that we are currently a shambles and he has joined a better team. I just find his comments hypocritical if, as I suspect, the primary reason he joined PSG was for one last big juicy contract. What he said is spot on though.
No disrespect to Ligue 1 but the quality is poor in comparison to other European leagues and there's virtually no competition for PSG to compete against. Not to mention they are perennial Champion's League bottlers so I'd hazard guess and say money is his main motivation. I could be wrong but it seems like that to me. I'm sure some other clubs would have been interested in him on a free and from a football perspective surely it's better to play in a competitive league.
To be fair, I don't think that is a dig at PSG. Apparently Evra said the same thing after leaving United for Juve. He said they train harder. He also used to be sick all the time at United after games etc and United just put it down to him having nerves or something like that. But when he got to Juve, they found the problem, which was an ulcer in his stomach. Apparently same with Rom at Inter now. He has shed about 5kg because Inter found he had some type of digestion problem, which the United medical staff couldn't find.
So I understand the professionalism side of things could be better elsewhere but Ander never said that, he said football basically isn't the priority. But answering your other post to me, I agree that we have no clear direction as a club but how has that been allowed to have happened? It should be clear, we win football matches, win titles and entertain along the way. Not worry more about P&L sheets rather than winning football matches.
We are the only 'money' destination. Pay big wages with zero expectations.
Come to Man United where the only expectation is to lower the expectation year on year. Like it or not we are the ultimate club to come to to make a lot of money with no pressure. Mangala and Jones, one was let go and the other got a 4 year contract despite never playing. Guess the club?
Manchester United are the single most mercenary club in the Premier League, We pay a load if shit players millions with no consequence of their failures. That is the definition of mercenary.
I'd love to have a job like at United. Just show up and don't worry about performance vs show up and make sure we make targets or be sacked.
Also we play loads to the man in charge of the club. He also has no consequences for his failures.
It's not a dig at PSG and I wasn't comparing a dig but two players comparing the atmosphere around two clubs. Herrera didn't say that the club wasn't focused on football, he didn't say "for" Manchester but "at" Manchester, the former would be about the club while the latter is the place and when you take into account his initial point about the staff it makes total sense to understand that he is talking about the people he was interactive with, players and staff.
And think about all the drama that we have had in the last years, none of these things were about football, it was about egos from the manager and without a doubt from players. The mention of business only comes from the reporter and it makes little sense when you consider what Herrera said at first about working hard and the staff being always present.
To put it simply it seems that he is saying that at United people don't care, that would explain his initial comment about the staff which is supposed to be a comparison to United where apparently the staff isn't at the club when the players arrive.
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He didnt join some mid table team for a massive wage, he joined a a European powerhouse desperate for a CL. I applaud his ambition and his wages are just a massive bonus. Hardly going anywhere with the state of our club. Hes already endured more than enough Europa League while in his in prime as is.
Oh I agree mate. The whole club is rotten. City are the best club now for football and anyone joining us is just for money. Most players don't care about 'history'.
I mentioned earlier that his interview starts about the interview he did with Marca and how Ander stated that the project at the CLUB were different.
But ok, even if he meant the players and coaching staff, what else would the coaching staff and players be focused on if not the football? Players maybe social media, side businesses etc etc but what about the coaching staff?
Don't forget Lfc. They would be a great team to be part of to play football.
Exactly this. We used to ridicule players for not coming here saying they hadn't the ambition or balls to play for us as the pressure would be too much. Look at the pressure at PSG! Managers and players are shipped out of they don't perform. They have accountability, we don't. We reward mediocrity and sack the scapegoats.
Anything, posting on redcafe instead of working.
And the projects are definitely different, one club is a bottomless pit of money that has for goal to create a positive image to Qatar while the other is a football club that is living with its own means and lost its way after losing the greatest manager of all time. Objectively the projects are different in 2019.
Evra said something similar not too long ago that training at United was pretty slack compared to the work he had to put in at Juve.
I have also said this before that maybe we need to take a good look at our training staff because let's be honest we have pretty much seen the same symptoms plague our team under different managers and with about €1 bn worth of new players being bought.
I have also said this before that maybe we need to take a good look at our training staff because let's be honest we have pretty much seen the same symptoms plague our team under different managers and with about €1 bn worth of new players being bought.
Hahahaha, it actually seemed like you meant what you said about the projects then.Anything, posting on redcafe instead of working.
And the projects are definitely different, one club is a bottomless pit of money that has for goal to create a positive image to Qatar while the other is a football club that is living with its own means and lost its way after losing the greatest manager of all time. Objectively the projects are different in 2019.
I'll state it one last time, Manchester United have the biggest load of mercenaries in the League and by far the biggest group of players with no ambition but money.
Well at least he left an European embarrassment to a club kind of respected. About time United fans realise that our terrible performance has destroyed our reputation . PSG currently are a bigger European powerhouse than we are.
Sure he did.
Who embarrassed who in the CL last season?
I meant more that it's not good they have such stuff to say. I don't mind them saying it unless they're just shit stirring which i wouldn't accuse of Herrera. I think he's disappointed in us rather than just being vindictive.
We were embarrassed by the fact that beating PSG was an achievement instead of an expectation.
How did he get on at AC Milan.
So are we going to talk about this for years, a bit like John Barnes living on that goal against Brazil.
No it's not an odd post. Its 100% on the money. People here thinking PSG is a better destination than utd should do one, they are a plastic club formed about 40 years ago, full of mercenaries like ander(they were the highest bidders for his services) they play in a shit league where there is no competition and are run my an oil state. PSG me arse