Lash
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This DM experiment with him needs to end. I think he'd be a top drawer CB, should just go back to what he does well.
CorrectThis DM experiment with him needs to end. I think he'd be a top drawer CB, should just go back to what he does well.
Winks was dreadful as an 8... but as a pivot he’s a decent player IMO - better than anyone else they have for that role i.e. Dier and Rice. 8 requires more of an engine and he lacks the running for that role.. reminds me abit of Andreas Pereira in that respect.Rice is trash and Winks too!! The day England produce good midfielders again. I mean McSauce would walk into this team if he picked England.
Rice is awful, but winks is definitely not trash at all. In terms of balance he gives England something different, he’s comfortable in possession and press resistant, but can also carry the ball forward in tight space and play some nice through balls.Rice is trash and Winks too!! The day England produce good midfielders again. I mean McSauce would walk into this team if he picked England.
I'd be disappointed if we purchased him on a free.I will be very disappointed if we spunk 80 million on this guy. 25 million at most. And thats been generous.
Pretty much, for the prices touted you'd be wanting a big upgrade and Rice arguably wouldn't even start for us.He's not even better than Mctomminay.
Every WH fan I've spoken to is questioning what it is he does that getting so much transfer speculationIsn't he only 20 y.o.? He was pretty good against us. Better than McTom in that game.
So could the lamppost outside my house to be honest. I don't want to talk about replacing Matic with another steady Eddie for £80-100m when what we need is dynamism and quality on the ball in the first XI. Rice has plenty of time to improve those key aspects of his game but he is showing nothing like the quality we sorely need at the moment, and as for England I much prefer Harry Winks as the deepest player in a three.He would replace Matic. As long as he can provide stability and help us control the midfield, he doesn't need to stand out.
Good stuff, I think Winks is head and shoulders above Rice as a DLP.Ran out of patience with him, hasn’t developed his positional play off the ball in terms of receiving ball off CBs and very cautious and ponderous on the ball. Was a fan but I agree needs to move towards CB. When Winks was operating deeper the other day, night and day when there is a more natural DLP in there.
He's not worth the money they want. No one pays that kind of money for a 'prospect', who's so limited in their football.yeah i think the general consensus in this thread is incredibly harsh on the player. i think he looks a really good prospect. i don't think he's a priority area by any means, but not going to turn my nose up at him if we do somehow get him. he'll cost a bit, though.
When I’ve seen him for Spurs he hasn’t got much about him. If you watch him carefully his pass variation is awful. Not as bad as Rice but nowhere near the levels some are suggesting. Basically he’s no Eriksen. We really need to be expecting better from these midfielders. He hasn’t got the Physicality of an Eric Dier either for him to have the control of a midfield playing a number 6 role.Rice is awful, but winks is definitely not trash at all. In terms of balance he gives England something different, he’s comfortable in possession and press resistant, but can also carry the ball forward in tight space and play some nice through balls.
no coincidence that we play much better as a team with him in it.
This is what he is to be - the modern day Libero / Sweeper type player.He covers the ground in front of the defence really well but isn't currently anywhere near good on the ball.
I can see him working somewhat in Pochettino's old system when he had the DM drop into CB and have the full backs push on high and wide, with an 8 dropping in to build up play. Kind of like how he used Dier when he went on a good run of form for Spurs and England.
at one stage in the game he made an excellent track back to be England's last man and make a great block tackle on the Kosovo striker who had a one on one with the keeper. I too think he's overrated at this stage of his career, but then again I think Haaland is overrated also at this stage, but he's flavour of the month right now, just like Rice was not so long ago.I think Rice is a good player, with the potential to be very good, but some of the criticism is a bit over the top, just like the plaudits he was getting not so long go were as well. I see Keane criticised him, and while he makes some good points, the lad is 20 yrs of age. Roy Keane wasn't the finished article when he was 20. I also think there was a bit of self preservation there as well, because if Rice had of played a competitive game when Roy and Martin were manager, he wouldn't be playing for England right now. For a country not exactly loaded with quality players, in hindsight they messed up on this one.At one stage in yesterday's game there was a counter attack and he happened to be the furthest forward of the midfielders, he passed it to the wing and then just stopped running. There was loads of space in front of him and nobody else to help the winger and it was against Kosovo in a dead rubber game.
If he doesn't have the instinct to attack in that position and in those circumstances why is he a midfielder?
This just keeps reinforcing to me that he's actually just a CB, just like Dier was. The system made him one as soon as they attack when the wingbacks push up, so for all intents and purposes he was just another CB and they were really just playing a back 3.He covers the ground in front of the defence really well but isn't currently anywhere near good on the ball.
I can see him working somewhat in Pochettino's old system when he had the DM drop into CB and have the full backs push on high and wide, with an 8 dropping in to build up play. Kind of like how he used Dier when he went on a good run of form for Spurs and England.
he is what David Luiz was as DM. He has the defensive awareness of a defender and tackles like oneThis just keeps reinforcing to me that he's actually just a CB, just like Dier was. The system made him one as soon as they attack when the wingbacks push up, so for all intents and purposes he was just another CB and they were really just playing a back 3.
Luiz has superb passing range and picks passes from defensive third.he is what David Luiz was as DM. He has the defensive awareness of a defender and tackles like one
Nah, but the general sentiment of your post I agree with. Rice is only being chased by us and only because we need a CDM and he's English. Brexitfingers loves all that.This absolutely screams of a grass is greener, turns out to be mediocre player. I reckon loads would be after McTominay if he was elsewhere.
He was great last year in the game at OT.Isn't he only 20 y.o.? He was pretty good against us. Better than McTom in that game.
They where actually quality players, with Rice its true.Sections of the media bleating about Keane’s “brutal” and “unfair” remarks. Where were they when Beckham, Rio, Phizzer and Rooney etc were copping it?
Is this still a thing? Ole is Norwegian and the owners are American but that doesn’t seem to count it seems. Probably why we went after Christopher Easton from Spurs and Paul Dalton of Juve last window.Nah, but the general sentiment of your post I agree with. Rice is only being chased by us and only because we need a CDM and he's English. Brexitfingers loves all that.