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Glazers / Woodward out! (One down)
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Duncan Castles: Glazers tell NYSE to expect Champions League qualification.
for Liverpool,city,Spurs and chelsea.
It really is a joke.
Maybe they are talking about the women's team.Or maybe they have a manager lined up who they feel will deliver with the January transfer window also around the corner.
But what is clear for the owners is Champions League qualification. Which seems to be the bare minimum requirement.
Even the best manager we could get is going to struggle to achieve that, its totally unrealistic and if they think it is a realistic expectation then the Glazers have no clue
The Glazers having no clue?
The Glazers have very little interest in the actual football side and everything is measured up financially IMO. With Poch being completely free and without the need to hand Levy £40m in compensation, the Glazers will be tempted with Ed Woodward being a huge admirer of the Argentine, if reports are to be believed.
Thats great but he isn't going to get us UCL football with this squad, even with additions in January. Poch isn't a magician
If they had a clue, we wouldn't be in the state we currently are with ridiculous amounts of money wasted.The Glazers having no clue?
That never crossed my mind.
You don't have to be a magician to finish ahead of two of the following teams, Leicester, Spurs, Chelsea. A new man with a broader approach in identifying talent can make a difference in the january transfer window and we still have Pogba to return.
If you have given them a 10 point headstart (will likely be bigger by Jan) and also have a worse squad (you are not going to get top top talent in Jan) we can get improvements though. I would say you do need to be a magician
With Sancho and a class central midfielder coming in january we would maybe have a chance.
You can get top players in January who are on the cusp of being top class. There's players in the Bundesliga, SerieA, La liga etc that can be signed that would galvanise the midfield. Two midfielders would change the dynamics of the whole midfield which would bring us into contention. We will drop points but our potential top 4 rivals will too IMO.
Even without Sancho in January we could compete for top 4. I'd personally sign Lobotka from Celta straight away. And it's a deal that looks very doable in January for a class player.
I'm sure Woodward is already working on it. The guy knows his football.
One injury to Martial/James/Rashford and you're done. In any case though the main issue will be that Ole will still be the manager after the window
One more injury to Pogba and we're done. One injury to our regular CBs and it pushes Phil Jones up the pecking order and we're done.
We have to think positive and make positive moves because a defeatist mentality shouldn't be adopted at a club with huge aspirations.
I'd forgot all about Woodward, thanks for reminding me.
One injury to Shaw or AWB and we are back to Ashley Young. Captain, leader, corner specialist.
That might actually bring Ethan Laird into the frame, which might not be such a bad thing. Laird and Williams at fullback would give me immense joy..
Can't wait to see the lad being slaughtered by the social media experts, starting tomorrow probably.
If he doesn't display excellence tomorrow then I see the usual suspects posting about how over-rated our youth players are. And some will even suggest a loan.
If the owners expect expect Champions League with this squad they are mad. It's clear we are lacking in key areas. If they expect Champions League football. I think they should have invested more to give us a better chance of achieving it.
A loan is a great idea especially as we have AWB. Getting a full season playing at senior level would be great for some of them
What proof is there that Ole can get us up to the CL? Ed needs to act asap. However, if it is to be Poch, he clearly needs some time off before going into management again, so it won't be simple as sacking Ole now and recruiting Poch.
I think we'll see afew going on loan soon enough. Williams seems to be one of the options at LB currently and Laird is a better player. So it'll be interesting to see how the rest of the season pans out and I hope Laird can steer clear of injuries or else he would've made his first team debut by now IMO.
Don't think we are going to qualify to the Champions League by qualifying for top 4 and the only route I could see us doing that is winning the Europa which is going to be a hard task in itself, considering the teams that could be dropping down from the Champions League. I think we should a new midfielder and striker in January and go all out to try to win the Europa.
Fans should have some way to express displeasure and make actual pressure without retorting to dark means?
You are partly right and partly wrong IMO.
Right because its a big ask for fans of any big club to accept a project that will make short term success more difficult
Wrong because outside of our league there is very little competition for these super clubs. It would actually be a lot easier for those clubs to implement and rebuild because they are so dominant that domestically it probably wouldn't hurt them all that much. Outside of an instant £300-500m investment on the squad, there isn't much we can do to catch up with City & Liverpool. The strategy of building a squad that will peak in 2 years time is actually a really good strategy and if it works out well we should find ourselves ahead of the curve.
So when you call the club docile, I disagree entirely. I think we are giving ourselves the best possibility of getting back to being the dominant team.
What proof is there that anyone can? Jose & LVG failed as often as not. The squads haven't been good enough and it still isn't. It can't always just come down to the management staff.
Since they are partly responsible for building the squads they have to take some blame. Also they are responsible for maximising squad output which isnt happening right now.
Sheffield actually do not have a better squad
No but they have a better team with a better team fluidity, better drilled unit.
Indeed that is down to the manager not the squad
Agree, that also comes with the time the manager has had to implement his ideas.
A year is long enough to see some results. Not the full results but some
The whole three year plan/rebuild is supposed to be about closing the gap and competing with City/Liverpool. About taking a team from 6th in the table to competing for first.
What we’ve actually got is an incompetent manager, CEO and recruitment team making us even worse than last year and seeing that gap widen. This season is planned, we’re not supposed to be struggling and getting worse. It’s just fans being asked to accept and ignore incompetence and being told one excuse after another.
Jury is still very much out for me as to whether our manager is competent. I know many disagree - that's up to the individual.
The club would have known that letting so many players leave in the summer would leave us short in certain areas, so there was a very real (in fact, likely) chance that we would get injuries that would hurt our form quite badly. This isn't speculation, we are seeing it happen right now. There is little doubt that a team with McTominay & Pogba in the middle instead of Fred/Pereira is a much, much better side, the same as the improvement since Martial returned is quite obvious.
For me this year is about - do what we can, have a good look at the academy, strengthen where possible, and recruit well. Fans are being asked to accept a squad rebuild and be patient with it, not accept incompetence. People aren't taking it that way though. That's up to them. I'm actually enjoying this season so far, but that's because I support the project. If I wanted instant results & success like many seem to need, I'd probably be freaking out after a draw or loss, demanding change & generally not enjoying the experience at all.