If you don’t understand why Ole is a gamble worth taking… you’re doing football support wrong

[redcafe_reader]

I am Ole in but the article is rubbish, in my opinion, no idea why someone would want to defend it:

Clickbait title, serve no purpose other than provoking a "reaction"
No actual reason to support Ole beside "what if he didn’t? What if the unlikely boss managed to bring some of that glory at some point down the road? That would be so, so special.". That's such sentimental bullshit. Sir Matt played for Liverpool, SAF has no relationship with us before being appointed manager. There are actual reasons to support Ole, like the direction he's taking us, his signing, his use of youth, no strong replacement at the moment, the positive atmosphere, etc

I hate articles like that, talk a lot without any worthy points. Just empty words.

 

[Schmeichel's Cartwheel]

I'm away with the mixer at the moment, but i'll try reading that again later today when i'm nearly sober because that has totally gone right over my head.

I'm saying that you've buried your head in the sand when it comes to Ole.

 

[Paul InceUlt]

Yeah, because it’s all sunshine and rainbows at United this season. We should be all be jumping around celebrating 9th place.

So it’s either rainbows or toxicity? It’s possibe to be positive whitout jumping around celebrating and being critical without being toxic imo.

 

[The Bloody-Nine]

'Toxic' might be the most over and improperly used word on this forum. Something I don't like? 'Toxic'. It's stupid.

 

[Shark]

So it’s either rainbows or toxicity? It’s possibe to be positive whitout jumping around celebrating and being critical without being toxic imo.

Being positive for the sake of being positive is probably why we’re sitting in 9th, 10 points off 4th place. Maybe you’re seeing it as toxicity because you don’t actually want change.

 

[momo83]

Looks like José poured his toxicity onto the Caf before packing the bags..
Reading here feels like watching a José presser while eating grapefruit.

Or half the cafe are not seduced by a smile

 

[Enigma_87]

If you want to believe it's all down to the manager that's fine. Everton should go and give Poch £30m a year rather than buying any better players. He'd have them challenging because he's so good, right?

Who mentioned prices being important? Leicester haven't built the excellent team they have by buying £50m+ players. A good structure behind the scenes makes the difference. Or were Chilwell, Pereira and Ndidi all useless pre Rodgers?

Leicester finished 9th 2 years in a row. They employed Shakespeare who was shite, sacked him 26 games later. Employed Puel, who was even shittier and sacked him as well. Then employed Rodgers and didn't give him 150m for transfers, who improved some players and the team as a whole - what good managers do.

If Everton hire Poch with 30m a year they will be in a better position than hiring Ole and giving the latter 80m a year.

It's mind boggling that United fans are underestimating what a good manager brings to a side, especially considering we were run by a manager on the footballing side, not CEO or board for more than 2 decades.

 

[Bobcat]

I personally suggested we go for a 20 year old French player from the German Bundesliga in Ibrahima Konate at the time. Eventhough he was 20, he was regarded as one of the best CBs in the league and has been a real leader in a defence that was the best in the German top flight playing for Leipzig. He is as good as Maguire in the air and comfortably quicker, more mobile and even physically superior. Also comfortably better at defending space in a highline and also accustomed to playing the high press which Ole wanted to adopt going into the current season. With the team looking like it would require at least 3 years before it was gonna compete for the league. It would've been smarter to start the rebuild with Konate who is quite clearly a superior talent to Maguire. Milenkovic from Fiorentina was also suggested as someone that would've been a smarter purchase that could also play at RB. Signing him and keeping Smalling would've been the smarter move due to his versatility and quality which inturn would've seen us save the bulk of the £130m that we spent on Maguire and Wan Bissaka. Which also would've been beneficial for Ethan Laird who is the biggest RB talent to come from our academy in my lifetime. And the remaing funds could've been spent on the midfield which would've been a better strategy for the longterm, and we could've gone into the season with a balanced team.

Fullbacks in the modern game need to be adept at attacking and if you look at the big clubs from around Europe and even domestically, they have fullbacks that are very good to world class going forward. Marcelo at Madrid from his teens has been great going forward. Kimmich and Trent Arnold are two more examples of very young RBs that were displaying high quality in a attacking sense. Even Max Aarons from Norwich was displaying huge potential in a attacking sense as a teenager. Youcef Atal at Nice another young RB with great potential in that regard and then you have Kostermann at Leipzig and the list goes on. Wan Bissaka is very good defensively but in a attacking sense his game lags behind the aforementioned considerably. And with how important fullbacks are now in the modern game to provide width and contribute in attack. You not only have to be good at defending but must also be good in attack at the elite level which we're hoping to return to. There's a bigger chance we'll return to that level with Ethan Laird than AWB IMO.

Cant say i know anything about those players and i am sure they are terrific talents, but do you remember Mkhitaryan? The guy had 23 goals and 32 assist the year before he joined us, which is just utterly insane and he completely flopped in the PL. Of course that's just one example, but there are plenty of others who look great in Germany, Italy, Spain, France etc who never make it big in the PL

And i fully recognize that fullbaks play an important role in attack in the modern game, but i am sure AWB will improve that side of his game once he matures a bit more. As i said, hes got good pace and strength and is a decent dribbler, but his movement in attacking areas is awful at the moment. Every time he tries an overlap with James he tends to run into the wrong space, but that can be learned

 

[momo83]

'Toxic' might be the most over and improperly used word on this forum. Something I don't like? 'Toxic'. It's stupid.

The irony is that the people who throw around the word “toxic” are actually the accepting mediocrity and want to let the rot set in for 3 years.

 

[Enigma_87]

Well, yeah Arsenal post-invincibles were getting their arses handed to to them quite regularly by smaller teams. As i said, Wenger was incredibly shrew in the market and manged to pick up loads of good talent at bargain prices. Another proof that cost does not equate quality when it comes to football teams

AWB and Maguire were both expensive, but both of them were worth their transfers fees imo. You say better players, but who? The last couple of years we have signed loads of players from foreign leagues who were absolutely amazing, and then they completely failed when they took the step into the PL. With so many failed signings over the past years i think the management team wanted to play it safe and buy "PL proven" players who they knew would have no problem settling.

80 million for Maguire was a bit much and considering we could have had him last year for 60 says something about what a tool Ed is. AWB was well worth the 50 million. He is only 21 and already have the best defensive stats of any player in the league. His attacking play leaves a lot to be desired yet, but hopefully he will improve that. His dribbling skills are alright and hes got a decent delivery at times, but his positioning and movement when attacking is very lacking at the moment, that is something he can improve though

80m for Maguire was OTT - even City didn't entertain doing that.

50m for AWB is also a lot considering he's a full back and also depending on the style the next manager will want to employ. If he plays 3-4-3 or 4-2-3-1 where both full backs are heavily dependent on producing in attack he might not turn out to be the bargain everybody is saying he is. Shaw was looking great when he was brought in but injuries did him. All in all you can't claim those buys were successful just yet.

James, on the other hand you already can. Even if he doesn't make it as a starter is a great option off the bench and will have a high resale value.

 

[Leftback99]

Leicester finished 9th 2 years in a row. They employed Shakespeare who was shite, sacked him 26 games later. Employed Puel, who was even shittier and sacked him as well. Then employed Rodgers and didn't give him 150m for transfers, who improved some players and the team as a whole - what good managers do.

If Everton hire Poch with 30m a year they will be in a better position than hiring Ole and giving the latter 80m a year.

It's mind boggling that United fans are underestimating what a good manager brings to a side, especially considering we were run by a manager on the footballing side, not CEO or board for more than 2 decades.

I mean why don't Everton go and pay Poch £30m a year or whatever it takes for him to take the job, if it's that easy why waste money on players at all. You're basically saying he could take Everton to where he took a different set of players in different circumstances at Spurs.

It's mind boggling that United fans still think the manager is the main problem after having 2 of the most qualified managers in world football since SAF. They also ignore that under SAF as well as him being a great manager we also had many of the best players in the world or at least the league, something we nowhere near have right now.

 

[Rood]

In your opinion. What aspect of this club that has got things to do with ole?

Need to stop scapegoating ed on every turn.

Bizarre to me that any United fan would be trying to absolve Ed of criticism, he's the one constant in the recent failures

All of these you keep mentioning are wild assumptions on your side.

You said that we somehow had a wage cap before we sell players - there is no actual proof of that.

Yes there is - our 50% wage ratio is something the club have stuck to for years now (even preGlazer in fact)

Anyway I can't be arsed to argue over little details - it's the big picture that's important

 

[Paul InceUlt]

Or half the cafe are not seduced by a smile

And the other half seduced by their own analytical brilliance as how to turn things around on the penny.
Sh*t.. the Caf is turning me toxic!

 

[Rafaeldagold]

There has not been any logical answer to the question whether any other elite club with pedigree like us would tolerate and persist with Ole. There is no pattern of play, no style, no formation integrity. But still we should not sack. Bayern and Kovac is a perfect example of how a modern forward thinking club deals with non performing managers, be it club legend or whoever.

Exactly. Unfortunately we aren’t a club with ambition or standards anymore. With the fans as guilty as the board in tolerating it

 

[Paul InceUlt]

The irony is that the people who throw around the word “toxic” are actually the accepting mediocrity and want to let the rot set in for 3 years.

Another mind reader..

 

[Bobcat]

80m for Maguire was OTT - even City didn't entertain doing that.

50m for AWB is also a lot considering he's a full back and also depending on the style the next manager will want to employ. If he plays 3-4-3 or 4-2-3-1 where both full backs are heavily dependent on producing in attack he might not turn out to be the bargain everybody is saying he is. Shaw was looking great when he was brought in but injuries did him. All in all you can't claim those buys were successful just yet.

James, on the other hand you already can. Even if he doesn't make it as a starter is a great option off the bench and will have a high resale value.

Maguire was very expensive, fair enough, but considering his age i dont think his price is utterly outlandish either. If he manages to stay away from serious injury we can potentially have a solid first XI CB for 5-6 years

AWB was well worth the 50 million in my opinion. Hes a very rare talent and as i said, if he can improve his attacking play he is going to be great regardless of where he plays Stats last season

 

[Rood]

I think the quagmire story is ultimately about backing. A combination of factors perhaps, i.e. having too limited a scope, and then having idiots conduct transfer dealings. But the reality of the situation was our midfield was thin and even with everyone fit, it was a big ask. Not least as Ole has no faith in Matic, so that's us down to 3 senior midfielders, one of which we got absolutely scammed for and we couldn't really tell at that time that McTominay would step up so dramatically. So my focus is less on the forward line and more on the midfield. I think that was the glaringly obvious problem at the end of the window.

I also don't think he has to go full on imploding-Mourinho to partly absolve himself from blame. He could simply have said he'd have wanted to sign a midfielder as we are light in that area. Hardly sack worthy. If the backing is there, there is no way we cannot find a midfielder who fits our criteria.

I also think the issues at the end of Mourinho's tenure were down to Mourinho, Woodward and Pogba.

Ole has said he wants a midfielder so not sure what else you wanted? and anyway I don't see that much value in over analysing things said in press conference - they are not usually well thought out statements and Ole in particular tends to be pretty bland with his answers

I said preseason that I thought we were 1 short in midfield, especially on the creative side. But I believe we would have been top4 without the injuries (Pogba is a vital cog in this team), Ole was obviously counting on Matic as he played alot preseason and it's only during the course of the season that relationship seems to have deteriorated.

Also surely you have to give credit to Ole for the step up from McTominay and also the recent improvement in Fred?

Anyway this is all getting far off the original point which is that I am sure Ole wanted more players and was not tootally happy with the squad, but then I think the same is probably true of most PL managers

 

[Roboc7]

I mean why don't Everton go and pay Poch £30m a year or whatever it takes for him to take the job, if it's that easy why waste money on players at all. You're basically saying he could take Everton to where he took a different set of players in different circumstances at Spurs.

It's mind boggling that United fans still think the manager is the main problem after having 2 of the most qualified managers in world football since SAF. They also ignore that under SAF as well as him being a great manager we also had many of the best players in the world or at least the league, something we nowhere near have right now.

It’s actually more mind boggling that would think having a lot manager isn’t a problem and that wasting more and more time is a good idea.

I’ve seen few of any people saying Ole is the main problem, no one expects a change of manager to solve everything. But why do we have to persist with someone who in all likelihood isn’t any good when we can get someone better.

Look how much Leicester have improved without changing much other than their manager, they sold us Maguire didnt replace him and will still finish above us. Would they be where they are now if they’d kept Puel?.

 

[MoskvaRed]

When Moyes was appointed, I racked my brains to think of precedents for a decent but nothing special 50 year old manager suddenly moving up a couple of gears and winning the big trophies at a huge club like United. I couldn’t think of any.

Now we are expected to believe that Ole, whose CV after 10 years is not remotely as impressive as Moyes’ in 2013, will make the giant leap in what is now a much tougher job with much fiercer competition.

Does “doing football support right” involve switching off all critical thinking?

 

[Adnan]

Cant say i know anything about those players and i am sure they are terrific talents, but do you remember Mkhitaryan? The guy had 23 goals and 32 assist the year before he joined us, which is just utterly insane and he completely flopped in the PL. Of course that's just one example, but there are plenty of others who look great in Germany, Italy, Spain, France etc who never make it big in the PL

And i fully recognize that fullbaks play an important role in attack in the modern game, but i am sure AWB will improve that side of his game once he matures a bit more. As i said, hes got good pace and strength and is a decent dribbler, but his movement in attacking areas is awful at the moment. Every time he tries an overlap with James he tends to run into the wrong space, but that can be learned

Mkhitaryan for sure wasn't a success but if you look into the history of Mkhi even at Dortmund, he was mentally fragile until Klopp got the best out of him.

Players do move clubs and it doesn't work out which can happen, and that also applies to British players. Take Barca and Madrid as examples. Barca spent a ridiculous amount on Coutinho and Dembele and both transfers have thus far been dissapointing. But that didn't deter them from signing Frenkie de Jong and Griezmann. Madrid signed players like Kaka, Woodgate, Owen and Walter Samuels for big money that flopped but still carried on with their approach of signing the best players from home and abroad.

The point is, just because certain players or even managers fail, it doesn't mean you should change strategy and pigeonhole yourself into a certain demographic when the standard bearers have shown persistence pays off, when the aim is to recruit the best in its class.

 

[The Brown Bull]

We have seen his results over the last 18 months ?

Really? Like getting yo the CL final?
Those results?

 

[Alabaster Codify7]

When Moyes was appointed, I racked my brains to think of precedents for a decent but nothing special 50 year old manager suddenly moving up a couple of gears and winning the big trophies at a huge club like United. I couldn’t think of any.

Now we are expected to believe that Ole, whose CV after 10 years is not remotely as impressive as Moyes’ in 2013, will make the giant leap in what is now a much tougher job with much fiercer competition.

Does “doing football support right” involve switching off all critical thinking?

Yeah it seems that way.

Fear does strange things to people, man.

 

[Enigma_87]

Yes there is - our 50% wage ratio is something the club have stuck to for years now (even preGlazer in fact)

Anyway I can't be arsed to argue over little details - it's the big picture that's important

Little details? He sanctioned a 160k per week contract for Mata and you are complaining that we can't bring in another player due to some kind of wage cap?

Why offer Mata a new contract then if that means at the expense of quality CM or CF?

 

[Enigma_87]

I mean why don't Everton go and pay Poch £30m a year or whatever it takes for him to take the job, if it's that easy why waste money on players at all. You're basically saying he could take Everton to where he took a different set of players in different circumstances at Spurs.

It's mind boggling that United fans still think the manager is the main problem after having 2 of the most qualified managers in world football since SAF. They also ignore that under SAF as well as him being a great manager we also had many of the best players in the world or at least the league, something we nowhere near have right now.

It's not black and white as you try to interpret it.

A quality manager can bridge the gap between a set of average players and couple of good ones to a team with better players. Something what Klopp has been doing since he took over.

Or you can keep pumping in 150-200m into this team with Ole in charge and you will still get average results because he's a poor manager.

Let me reverse the question - according to you we need better players yes? Didn't we invest tons of money with Lvg and Jose? Did that solve the issue?

And those 2 most qualified managers in the world is a bit of a OTT. LvG was far from his best form and has been retired ever since.

 

[Bobcat]

Mkhitaryan for sure wasn't a success but if you look into the history of Mkhi even at Dortmund, he was mentally fragile until Klopp got the best out of him.

Players do move clubs and it doesn't work out which can happen, and that also applies to British players. Take Barca and Madrid as examples. Barca spent a ridiculous amount on Coutinho and Dembele and both transfers have thus far been dissapointing. But that didn't deter them from signing Frenkie de Jong and Griezmann. Madrid signed players like Kaka, Woodgate, Owen and Walter Samuels for big money that flopped but still carried on with their approach of signing the best players from home and abroad.

The point is, just because certain players or even managers fail, it doesn't mean you should change strategy and pigeonhole yourself into a certain demographic when the standard bearers have shown persistence pays off, when the aim is to recruit the best in its class.

I fully agree, but considering how many failed transfers we have had these past 6 years i think Ole wanted to make a safe bet that had a high chance of succeeding. We were already knee deep in shit, so if Ole had taken a gamble on 3 his transfers and they turned out bad as well we would have been even worse off

 

[RedBanker]

Exactly. Unfortunately we aren’t a club with ambition or standards anymore. With the fans as guilty as the board in tolerating it

At this juncture I am just hoping that Ole is dignified enough to walk away. He has his history with the club and I really hope he will not keep trying endlessly to become a hero and then ending up a villain in reality.

 

[Zen86]

Agreed. It's arrogant of fans to expect Ole to do any better than he has. The nerve.

Wanting better is fine, the sheer poison being spewed across this forum and elsewhere isn’t.

 

[Alabaster Codify7]

At this juncture I am just hoping that Ole is dignified enough to walk away. He has his history with the club and I really hope he will not keep trying endlessly to become a hero and then ending up a villain in reality.

I don't think he'll end up a villain. He's doing his dream job, nobody will hold that against him - the board need to be proactive and stop the rot before it sets in even deeper and becomes even harder to reverse. It's their job.

 

[Hoof the ball]

Sentimental pleading is the great achilles heel of any great club and its long-term prospects. Indeed, on the account of a player being a certified club legend as a player, it is thought that he ought to be afforded more time than any other professional manager despite demonstrably poorer performances. What we need is some objectivity across the club in every respective area, and it needs to be applied to all, equally. If the boss has a tactical blueprint and it cannot be discernibly recognised after 12 months of implementation, then the question must be asked, "is it that he lacks the knowledge to communicate it?", or, "does he and those he delegates it to, lack the coaching expertise to implement it?".

If it's the former, then that's a huge problem for a club this size, and indeed explains how and why players of this quality throughout the squad do not look like they know what they're supposed to do. If it's the latter, then delegation is the issue. Sir Alex surrounded himself with the best in each respective area as to not fall behind modernisation within the game. He was a master delegator. I suspect that Ole needs to address this area, and I daresay imminently, or else regardless of personnel, the squad will always look disjointed.

 

[Leftback99]

It’s actually more mind boggling that would think having a lot manager isn’t a problem and that wasting more and more time is a good idea.

I’ve seen few of any people saying Ole is the main problem, no one expects a change of manager to solve everything. But why do we have to persist with someone who in all likelihood isn’t any good when we can get someone better.

Look how much Leicester have improved without changing much other than their manager, they sold us Maguire didnt replace him and will still finish above us. Would they be where they are now if they’d kept Puel?.

Why does everyone have to point to Leicester as the perfect example where everything has worked out well and assume we'll be the same? I could find many more where changing manager has has miminal effect on results, us going from Mourinho to Solskjaer for one.

I struggle to be critical of Solskjaer so far because I agree with most of the decisions he's made. He isn't making baffling team selections or falling out with players like LVG and Mourinho were, he's picking the best we have available for each game they just simply aren't good enough.

 

[jamesjimmybyrondean]

So let's analyze the reasons why people want to keep Ole.

Three good signings - Really? AWB was the most promising full back that was available in England. Even I can identify that he will be a good signing. James was recommended heavily by Giggs so Ole shouldn't get much credit for him. Maguire is just a waste of money. He has played like a 50m player at best. Also an obvious signing. We could have gotten him for 60m under Mourinho.

He understands the club and it's history - Did Pep understand City or did Klopp understand Liverpool or did Pochettino understand Tottenham. Fergie didn't even play for us in his footballing days and look at where he took us.

His vision of the club - I can also tell the press about how I want to sign the best British players(which would be waste of money because we could get better players cheaper elsewhere). I can also tell the press how I want to return us back to the glory days and how this is United we never give up.

We play attacking football now - Again, Really??? We often look complacent when we're a goal up and we hardly take risks in attack which is what attacking teams do. The best game I've seen us play with Ole was his first match against Cardiff(We played sexy one touch attacking football) and for some reason we never replicated that style of play again.



He promotes youth - Yeah I can name 5 managers better than Ole that also promotes youth.

In conclusion sack Ole get an attacking coach and a DOF

 

[Nou_Camp99]

Manager not deemed good enough for Cardiff City is the guy we should put our faith in? Sorry but it's all the emotional ties as Ole the player that is clouding people's minds. As a manager he's been abysmal for us. Makes mistakes every game. Sheff Utd game he set us up wrong, corrected it and then ruined it yet again with a negative sub. He's not good enough.

Ole won't be our manager next season because If he is then we will be confining ourselves as a mid table club permanently.

 

[RedBanker]

I don't think he'll end up a villain. He's doing his dream job, nobody will hold that against him - the board need to be proactive and stop the rot before it sets in even deeper and becomes even harder to reverse. It's their job.

I agree with the part where you say that Board needs to be proactive but given the way our top echelon works that's not going to happen. Ole is a legend of a player for us. I worry for his legacy. If you look around social media the name calling and personal abuse directed at Ole is growing each day. He got his dream job, as you rightly mentioned but am sure even he realises that he does not have the tools to cut it at this level. Whether it's results or his managerial style, nothing indicates that he will suddenly find a Midas touch. It may be my dream job to work as the CEO of Apple and I may have a management degree and a few years of work experience, but if I get the job I will most probably run the company to the ground, if I am not fired in time. And if I am not being fired it's entirely upto my conscience and integrity as an individual whether I resign or not.

 

[Leftback99]

It's not black and white as you try to interpret it.

A quality manager can bridge the gap between a set of average players and couple of good ones to a team with better players. Something what Klopp has been doing since he took over.

Or you can keep pumping in 150-200m into this team with Ole in charge and you will still get average results because he's a poor manager.

Let me reverse the question - according to you we need better players yes? Didn't we invest tons of money with Lvg and Jose? Did that solve the issue?

And those 2 most qualified managers in the world is a bit of a OTT. LvG was far from his best form and has been retired ever since.

Klopp hasn't had average players. Liverpool has one of the best recruitment teams in football finding players to work in Klopps system.

Again it's not about money spent (Ole 'spent' £70m net btw, we lost an £80m striker and a useful CM for nothing). Some of the players bought by LVG and Mourinho were baffling purchases.

 

[Bobcat]

It's not black and white as you try to interpret it.

A quality manager can bridge the gap between a set of average players and couple of good ones to a team with better players. Something what Klopp has been doing since he took over.

Or you can keep pumping in 150-200m into this team with Ole in charge and you will still get average results because he's a poor manager.

Let me reverse the question - according to you we need better players yes? Didn't we invest tons of money with Lvg and Jose? Did that solve the issue?

And those 2 most qualified managers in the world is a bit of a OTT. LvG was far from his best form and has been retired ever since.

It didn't. Because they went for glory straight away and because they mostly bought rubbish players and left them to a much less experienced manager. Klopp did not take over the Liverpool side that Rodgers left him and coached them into greatness. Outside of Firminho (who was bought two months before he arrived), Milner and Henderson he has changed the entire starting XI of that team

Yeah we need better players. And quite a lot of them too. If we ignore Ole for a while, who do you honestly think are good enough to start for us in the current squad?

 

[jamesjimmybyrondean]

On what basis should Ole be given another season. I would personally give him another season if we start playing good attacking football and we finish top 6 this season. If he fails to do either one of those then he should be sacked.

BTW top 6 is our level right now. City Liverpool Chelsea Tottenham and Leceister are all better than us

 

[Zen86]

Manager not deemed good enough for Cardiff City is the guy we should put our faith in? Sorry but it's all the emotional ties as Ole the player that is clouding people's minds. As a manager he's been abysmal for us. Makes mistakes every game. Sheff Utd game he set us up wrong, corrected it and then ruined it yet again with a negative sub. He's not good enough.

Ole won't be our manager next season because If he is then we will be confining ourselves as a mid table club permanently.

I suppose we should put our faith in the guy who wasn’t deemed good enough for Spurs instead.

 

[Alabaster Codify7]

On what basis should Ole be given another season. I would personally give him another season if we start playing good attacking football and we finish top 6 this season. If he fails to do either one of those then he should be sacked.

BTW top 6 is our level right now. City Liverpool Chelsea Tottenham and Leceister are all better than us

Hes one of the highest earning managers in world football. He was given money in the summer albeit not enough. And progress is literally not progressing whatsoever? That would warrant keeping him? If so any manager in the lower half of the league could keep our heads above water.

Standards,gone.

 

[Alabaster Codify7]

I suppose we should put our faith in the guy who wasn’t deemed good enough for Spurs instead.

Spurs are light years ahead of Cardiff so if we're measuring it like that, yeah definitely. He's better by ten country miles and has proven it.

 

[Enigma_87]

Klopp hasn't had average players. Liverpool has one of the best recruitment teams in football finding players to work in Klopps system.

Again it's not about money spent (Ole 'spent' £70m net btw, we lost an £80m striker and a useful CM for nothing). Some of the players bought by LVG and Mourinho were baffling purchases.

Again, compare it to Rodgers, he lost a 80m CB and what is is net spent? 0m? Yet he’s 12 points ahead of us.

And Koop did have average players. Do you consider players like Ox, Lovren, Henderson, Sturridge, Milner as world beaters?

Some of the players that are class in his system is because of his methods and recruitment to fit his style.

Ole doesn’t have style, neither the managerial acumen.