Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)

[Rightnr]

He needs to go ASAP to improve our results because these players look clueless. The problem is that we probably cannot get Poch until summer.

If we agree with Poch he'll take over in the summer, I'll keep Ole until then. But we also need a director of football, otherwise Woodward would feck it up again.

All in all, no easy answers, 6 years down the line from SAF.

 

[momo83]

It's sad this thread is more popular than the Ed Woodward thread.

Ed doesn’t manage the team.

 

[Will Singh]

I'm still behind Ole. One of few, I guess.

Weird thing is that I don't believe Ole is a world-class manager. I don't even believe he's a good championship manager. But he understands what Man United is all about. I don't believe in the short term solution of sacking the manager without having a DOF and a new manager in the line to step up.
As for players, it seems like Ole loves Pereira and Lindelöf. I would look to replace them asap with other players in the squad. And in the summer window, I'd be happy to listen for offers. I'm not even sure if Lindelöf is better than Smalling when they're both in form. Smalling is faster, stronger in the air and their mistake rate seems to be pretty similar; way too often misreading of either the game or the ball. You can argue that we've never seen them in form for more than a few games at the time.

I understand what Man Utd is all about but doesn't mean I can do the job, look you say so yourself that Ole isn't good enough but if you think we will get a DOF and a manager lined up before Ole goes then I've got news for you...it will never happen.

Top managers are hard to come by so if 1 comes available but you've not got a DOF do you just not get the said manager in then worry about the DOF after or let the manager go to another club because the club has to do thinks in order?

Poch is available get him in then worry about the DOF afterwards as its been going on for a few years and if Ed was going to get one he would have already!

 

[momo83]

I'm still behind Ole. One of few, I guess.

Weird thing is that I don't believe Ole is a world-class manager. I don't even believe he's a good championship manager. But he understands what Man United is all about. I don't believe in the short term solution of sacking the manager without having a DOF and a new manager in the line to step up.
As for players, it seems like Ole loves Pereira and Lindelöf. I would look to replace them asap with other players in the squad. And in the summer window, I'd be happy to listen for offers. I'm not even sure if Lindelöf is better than Smalling when they're both in form. Smalling is faster, stronger in the air and their mistake rate seems to be pretty similar; way too often misreading of either the game or the ball. You can argue that we've never seen them in form for more than a few games at the time.

If only he understood what football management was about.

 

[Iowred]

Firstly I just want to say that OGS is a united legend and always will be for what he did as a PLAYER.

Sadly that’s where it stops because this romantic idea that this club legend can make us great again is driven only by nostalgia and not by his ability as a coach. Does he need to be relieved of his duties? Yes is the answer and ASAP. Why? well here is my opinion for what it’s worth.

If OGS had never played for this club he would be nowhere near the United job. If he had got the job as someone who was not already a club legend and results and performances had gone like they are now then I feel that all united fans (match going fans, internet fans etc. All fans none the same) would be toxic and demanding he be sacked. This is a manager(we are not talking about OGS the player) who got Cardiff relegated for fecks sake, what the hell is he doing managing United, he should never have got the job, ever.

I can not see or understand what are tactics are, can not see a player who has improved under OGS and do not trust OGS to deliver what the ‘long term strategy’ of the club is. I do however king of agree with aspects of the long term strategy of the club is. Sign young and up and coming British players seems like a ok idea when you consider the sheer amount of money that we have wasted on players like ADM, Pogba, Lukaku, Sanchez (wages), Depay etc. It’s criminal. Signing these players at the the time felt exciting in a way but also didn’t quite feel or sit right as there was clearly no pattern in the type of player we signed. Our crop of young players coming through also seem to be the best we have had in a few years. Mctominay, Gomes, axel tuz, Gardner, Williams, Henderson all seem like they could have a good future at united if, and only if, they were being coached by a good manager. Sadly OGS the manager is not the man to lead the clubs vision, not now, not ever. He is an incredibly annoying manager with his ridiculous cliches in his interviews that are more cringe worthy than what moyes used to say. I hate to say I can’t stand him as a manager, strong words I know for a playing club legend, but from the cliches to the stupid smug smile when we lose to the really really boring football we have to see every god dam week is now beyond shit and annoying.

Who do we get to replace him? I think we need someone who knows the league, knows what it’s like to play 2-3 games in 7 days, knows how to improve average to good players to be the best they can be, knows how to integrate young players into the 1st team, has a clear style of football. For me that player is Poch. Yes I know he didn’t win anything at spurs but look what he did do. Did they have a clear style of play? Yes. Did he bring young players through to the 1st team? Yes. Did he improve existing players? Yes. Did he quickly get rid of deadwood? Yes. Was he successful? If you look at what amounts to success for spurs then he won the lot by qualifying for the champions league year after year on a shoe string budget. So was he successful, Yes.

OGS you are and always will be a complete legend for what you did as a player, for that I can only say thank you for giving me so many memories that I will cherish forever. But as a manager I’m afraid that you are not good enough and this romantic idea of you as manager which is only driven by nostalgia has to stop and stop now.

 

[tob]

A year ago we were better than we are now.

In points - yes. But in team spirit and belief- I'd say no.

I have a problem with the belief that this manager is a couple 100m away from having us in top 4. Money helps but it doesn't displace the blatant tactical shortcomings that are a central feature in his management. Personally and strictly imo i think he could have Liverpool's squad outside top 4

Yes. Money helps. Signing players like Mane, Alisson, van Dijk and Fabinho helped Klopp make the greatest Liverpool team in decades. But Klopp is also a great and proven top manager, so yeah, I'd not bet against you about Solskjaer not being able to replicate what Klopp has done.

I'm just not sure any manager have a greater chance of turning this group of players into a top four side. I feel that it's a huge risk in believing so and taking that action.

 

[bondsname]

Feck me, the state the club is in. Ridiculous.

It wouldn't be wise to sack Ole now, and I don't mean in the way that he deserves time and another transfer window, or that I am saying he is the next Sir Alex Ferguson, but in the way that no manager can come in and start going on a record breaking winning streak with this team at this moment. It might even demoralize the team cause they seem to like Ole.

To be fair to Ole, the way we play is a lot more pleasing on the eye if you compare it to Mourinho's football or LVG's football. We just cant get the reuslts.

 

[manunited1919]

Poch played to Spurs strengths when they were in bad spots, Ole doesn't seem to do that with us, I'm not sure he knows how.

Poch may not be available, I am sure Levi made sure of that. He must have slapped a £200m penalty clause in case he comes to us for x period of time.

 

[In Rainbows]

They have murdered us almost everytime we faced them.

If that's the evidence, then it's not very convincing. Watching them over the course of a season is better evidence. Klopp didn't batter us, but over the course of a season you can see he's a brilliant attacking manager. Like I said, you guys will be excited over him. I won't. I'll be excited over the idea that someone else has taken over because Ole is a crap manager. That's as far as I'll go.

 

[bonothom]

Ole 'not concerned' about Uniteds league position apparently.

 

[Sparky Rhiwabon]

One way of looking at it, taking the "club legend" factor out of it...

At what level of club, if their manager was sacked now, would an available Ole be among the preferred targets?

 

[bonothom]

One way of looking at it, taking the "club legend" factor out of it...

At what level of club, if their manager was sacked now, would an available Ole be among the preferred targets?

He'd be top of the list. Not sure why Real Madrid haven't been sniffing around already to be honest. With the process and project looking great these other clubs must be green with envy at United right now.

 

[momo83]

Ole 'not concerned' about Uniteds league position apparently.

Like a doctor saying “well the health of the patient is not the the most concerning thing to me”.

 

[Florida Man]

I have a good feeling that he is out tomorrow. Fingers crossed

Something tells me I'm into something good!

 

[Enigma_87]

Ole 'not concerned' about Uniteds league position apparently.

Why should he be? He's used to being in relegation zone with Cardiff, he's massively improving with United.

 

[RussellWilson]

We should definitely keep him at the moment.
We're in a better place within the team even though we're worse of in points. We're not playing that poorly, we just ain't got good enough players. Especially in midfield.

It's not the same situation as last time when Mourinho got sacked, or when Spurs sacked Poch. Both those managers had lost the dressing room and the players belief in them.The players (and the board) are still behind Ole and believe in what he and the coaching staff are doing, so we've got to have patients. Sacking Ole now and getting someone else with a different approach could risk everything going back to where we were a year ago, me thinks. Then we would be back at square one again. Possibly with more irritated players, wanting to leave this club with a future that is so uncertain.

Who knows, three more good signings in the summer and this time next year we might be were Leicester are today - i.e. going from ending 9th to be the closest team to get into a title race.

What you smoking?

 

[Infra-red]

Ole 'not concerned' about Uniteds league position apparently.

Top 4 is already gone and he hasn't been fired. He presumably believes that if he avoids the relegation zone, he's safe till the end of the season, hence "not worried." League results don't matter much anymore.

 

[DLE]

And?

If we win, less people want Ole sacked.
If we lose, more people want Ole sacked.
The Caf isn’t deeper than that you see.

 

[pascell]

Yeah, that’ll show them.

Just like the 'unfollow United on Twitter' showed them, oh wait..

 

[SAFMUTD]

In points - yes. But in team spirit and belief- I'd say no.

Thats even more worrifying, it seems all the “this rebuilding will take time” narrative has been fully inserted into players minds, there’s absolutely no reason why there should be a good atmosphere at the squad when we are playing that shitty and when we are sitting on midtable any competitive “winning” player would be furious with the state of the club. Can you imagine any of the past legends accepting a situation like this? Ferdinand/Vidic/Keane saying things like “this will take time, we are impriving”.

Ole has established mediocrity in the full squad, you see it in the players. They are not really disappointed or annoyed, they have come in good terms to accept this is the way it should be and are delighted with the free pass they been given.

 

[Bastian]

It's enough now. We need a caretaker until we figure this shit out.

 

[sincher]

His time is nearly up I think. He has laid a better path for the next manager than he had, though so much still to do and I don't think he is up to it unfortunately.

 

[Scholsey2004]

People talking about sacking Solskjaer are crazy. Woodward and the glazers need to go not Solskjaer. If we sack Solskjaer it'll take the new manager 18 months to work out lots of our players are overrated and overpaid. At this point Solskjaer knows which of the youngsters can progress to the first team, which areas of the team need spending and which players are being paid big wages just to come into training. He's only had one transfer window, there's still a stack load of dead wood to clear and he's only been able to bring in three players.

 

[passing-wind]

We should definitely keep him at the moment.
We're in a better place within the team even though we're worse of in points. We're not playing that poorly, we just ain't got good enough players. Especially in midfield.

It's not the same situation as last time when Mourinho got sacked, or when Spurs sacked Poch. Both those managers had lost the dressing room and the players belief in them.The players (and the board) are still behind Ole and believe in what he and the coaching staff are doing, so we've got to have patients. Sacking Ole now and getting someone else with a different approach could risk everything going back to where we were a year ago, me thinks. Then we would be back at square one again. Possibly with more irritated players, wanting to leave this club with a future that is so uncertain.

Who knows, three more good signings in the summer and this time next year we might be were Leicester are today - i.e. going from ending 9th to be the closest team to get into a title race.

Must be a wind up or a rival fan.

 

[bonothom]

People talking about sacking Solskjaer are crazy. Woodward and the glazers need to go not Solskjaer. If we sack Solskjaer it'll take the new manager 18 months to work out lots of our players are overrated and overpaid. At this point Solskjaer knows which of the youngsters can progress to the first team, which areas of the team need spending and which players are being paid big wages just to come into training. He's only had one transfer window, there's still a stack load of dead wood to clear and he's only been able to bring in three players.

Love the belief in the "process".

 

[bonothom]

Must be a wind up or a rival fan.

I think half the users on this forum are Man Utd haters to be honest. How can 48% of users be so behind a manager that has the team languishing in 9th place 6 points above the bottom 3.

 

[SAFMUTD]

If we win, less people want Ole sacked.
If we lose, more people want Ole sacked.
The Caf isn’t deeper than that you see.

To be fair the votes changing is the same 2%, most people here have made up their minds deciding wether Ole is not good enough or part of the Ole cult no matter what its not his fault.

 

[Cassidy]

People talking about sacking Solskjaer are crazy. Woodward and the glazers need to go not Solskjaer. If we sack Solskjaer it'll take the new manager 18 months to work out lots of our players are overrated and overpaid. At this point Solskjaer knows which of the youngsters can progress to the first team, which areas of the team need spending and which players are being paid big wages just to come into training. He's only had one transfer window, there's still a stack load of dead wood to clear and he's only been able to bring in three players.

It would not take a competent manager 18 months

 

[Kammy26]

People talking about sacking Solskjaer are crazy. Woodward and the glazers need to go not Solskjaer. If we sack Solskjaer it'll take the new manager 18 months to work out lots of our players are overrated and overpaid. At this point Solskjaer knows which of the youngsters can progress to the first team, which areas of the team need spending and which players are being paid big wages just to come into training. He's only had one transfer window, there's still a stack load of dead wood to clear and he's only been able to bring in three players.

This sounds more like a director of football than an actual football manager/coach. He may be able to do all the things above, but the bottom line is, his coaching is shit and he is tactically inept. I would go as far as saying tactically he’s not even standard premier league level, never mind United level.

I think a lot of fans want the glazers and Woodward gone but it’s just not going to happen, so we have to work with what we have got. We need a quality manager with an attacking style of play, grasp of tactics and the mentality to handle a big club like United.

So far we have hired

1.Moyes clueless
2. Van Gaal dinosaur
3. Mourinho finished at top level.
3. Ole (see Moyes)

 

[SAFMUTD]

His time is nearly up I think. He has laid a better path for the next manager than he had, though so much still to do and I don't think he is up to it unfortunately.

A better path? Last year we needed a CB and a right winger, right now we need a RW, 2 midfielders and a striker.

If/when he leaves he will left the team in a worst shape than when he took it.

 

[Meller]

His time is nearly up I think. He has laid a better path for the next manager than he had, though so much still to do and I don't think he is up to it unfortunately.

How? By extending contracts of awful players we now can't get rid of or signing a couple of average defenders when we already had a bunch of average defenders?

 

[Rocksy]

He’s a really poor coach, the worst in the Premier League by a mile. I can’t stand the argument that he “needs time”. What will “time” get you? I think more likely relegation than anything else. He’s now starting to come across more as someone who wants to stay in the job, rather than do what’s best for United.

 

[Enigma_87]

His time is nearly up I think. He has laid a better path for the next manager than he had, though so much still to do and I don't think he is up to it unfortunately.

Absolute myth that.

 

[momo83]

Something tells me I'm into something good!

Only your location gives me hope.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

Absolute myth that.

He’a made us a miles worse team, therefore it’s better for the next manager.

Some serious mental gymnastics going on there.

Can people get it into their heads that selling “unlikeable” players and buying “likeable” ones doesn’t a better team make, if the table and results say we’re miles shitter then guess what?

 

[mu4c_20le]

Absolute myth that.

He gave opportunities to lots of kids and launched Greenwood's career, fact.

 

[vivaronaldo]

if ole had any decency he would walk now ....in way over his head , results have been very poor , he actually has players going backwards and for me a justification of the stupidity of signing a bloke no one else was chasing because he beat psg away

and while we are at it , glazers and woodward...... f&^% you too ,,,,,,,,,,,,

 

[Enigma_87]

He gave opportunities to lots of kids and launched Greenwood's career, fact.

Something you can say about both LvG and Moyes - Rashford, McT, etc..

 

[vivaronaldo]

People talking about sacking Solskjaer are crazy. Woodward and the glazers need to go not Solskjaer. If we sack Solskjaer it'll take the new manager 18 months to work out lots of our players are overrated and overpaid. At this point Solskjaer knows which of the youngsters can progress to the first team, which areas of the team need spending and which players are being paid big wages just to come into training. He's only had one transfer window, there's still a stack load of dead wood to clear and he's only been able to bring in three players.

please dont tell me the glazers have brainwashed you ......this is poor and there is no overshadowing the rubbish ole is dishing up

 

[caid]

I also stated they would need 5 better quality players across the team.

I guess being a title winner isn't necessarily what i'd be looking for from the next manager. Coaching a threadbare team with a lot of young players and building towards consistent top 4 finishes is probably a better short term goal. I dont particlarly rate Pochettino tbh but its hard to deny he'd do a pretty good job of that.