Clubs done, really. 28% win rate (probably lower after yesterday) and this is the supposed view of the board?
Ole won't be here next season and rightly so because he's completely out of his depth. But the reality is that he's the tip of the iceberg. Stuff like "he's the dinosaur responsible for ruining our club" is nonsense and just shows that people still to this day haven't understood the underlying issues. The club has been ruined for years now thanks to Woodward and Glazers.
I reckon so yeah, regardless of the briefings to The Athletic. People forget how much publicity these next two games will bring - our sponsors and major shareholders are not gonna be happy when we lose both handily and are around 13-14th in the table going into the congested Xmas period. There's a VERY real chance we'll be in the relegation zone over Xmas. That will be too big of a risk, I see the board sacking him this time next week.
Terrifying. Worst manager we've ever had, in context.
Yep. I don't believe it really mate. Moyes kept harping on about his 6yr contract and how he didn't fear the sack at all, talking about summer signings - 2wks later, sacked. LVG won the FA Cup - sacked the following day.
If the fanbase was half as vocal towards getting rid of Woodward as they are towards every useless manager, maybe we wouldn't be finding ourselves in this position year after year. Where is the scrutiny on Woodward? If there was constant fan pressure (protests leading to strong media scrutiny) the club would have been forced to act one way or another. Either sack Woodward or hire a proper DoF. But our fans much rather prefer to use all their negative energy on the managers instead of the clueless clowns responsible for hiring said managers. Ole will be gone soon enough but Woodward will remain and continue taking the club further in the gutter as he has been doing for almost seven years. And the fans will be oblivious to it because by that point they'll be calling for the head of Woodward's next genius appointment.
This is the obvious flaw in the masterplan. There is no logical reason for this to be the one we actually stick with and give the time to.
Probably the ‘worst’ kind of games if anyone wants him gone - we’ve been plucky underdog gameraisers for a little while, so these sort of fixtures suit us. Can’t see any batterings - close games score wise is what I’d expect.
Why has one game against Villa made you change your mind?, you said we were improving last week and now he doesn’t have the skills to handle the job.
Yes... fans who want to support the manager are worse than people who were on social media wanting Ole out before he'd even started - I've heard it all now.
It's not just supporting though, it's complete blind delusion.
because he is giving them what they want to hear with the United way and youth and the badge. They hope he will turn out to be Fergie and change the sacking culture with a cheap long term employment.
Well don't tar everyone with the same brush. I've no issue with people criticising Ole as a manager when done with respect, but you have to understand that a large section of our support (myself included) will support a united manager until they are no longer the manager. This isn't about being a top red, it's just the way many of us were brought up. I'm an out of town united fan and I get to OT about once per season on average. My first United game was away to Southampton in 1987. I was a kid but I learned a lot about the culture and the dos and don'ts of being a United fan and have learned more over the years and I've made a few pals along the way who are die hard united fans whose dedication to following the club is admirable, passionate and humbling. Many of those would choose to support the manager - especially this manager due to his status as a legend of a player with whom they have a relationship built over watching first-hand his entire playing career.
We have issues but even with those issues we have done and are better than this. The issues need to be solved for us to operate at our true level of potential but that doesn't mean we can't demand improvements.
So that sounds to me like blind delusion? Supporting him because of what he done as a PLAYER.
Our fans deserve it to be honest. At some point this cult like worship we have of our managers needs to stop. This isn’t exclusive to Ole of course, it’s been going on since Moyes and I’m not sure what it will take to make so much of our fanbase realize that just because someone is our manager it doesn’t mean that if we give them a 20 year contract they will turn into Sir Alex.
Because the improvement i thought i saw vs Norwich and Brighton turned out to be nothing. I thought we had looked slightly better since Liverpool, but it was just random it seems. One step forward and one step back
I've seen it all now.This is one of the key reasons i stood by him for so long. This whole thing just leaves a bad taste in my mouth really. Granted they have not downed tools yet, but they sure as feck dont seem focused and sharp either.
A DoF and new coaches maybe? If the owners decide to keep him they have to do something, because this clearly is not working out too well
We're the ones getting what they deserve.
As usual.
It likewise can be argued that those who point all issues to the manager deserve it by an equal amount. That's 4 managers now that have failed since Fergie retired, when will the main focus be directed at the overlying issue?
I have yet to come across any fan deluded enough to just blame the managers.
There is no single overlying issue. The manager isn't good enough, the squad needs additions, our board aren't decisive enough. There are multiple issues, but an manager who is nowhere near good enough is certainly not going to be part of the solution.
One possible reason is that the players are ok in a situation like this with zero expectations? I mean no doubt players like Pereira and Lingard will put a shift when it means they will get brand new contracts on a salary they won’t get anywhere else, on top of constant game time and no consequences if they are shit as the planning(or lack of it) means no competition for their spot..
Its quite obvious, to me.
Human beings deserve a certain level of respect anyway. Ole deserves respect even when being criticised. It's really not that hard to understand is it?
