Solskjær sack watch | 2019/20 edition

[Infra-red]

we've won just four league games all season. four... how can that be acceptable in any universe? a league two manager would be sacked for that record

It's acceptable if you have no interest in football and couldn't care less about trophies/results because you believe that what happens on the pitch has no meaningful impact on the one thing you actually do care about - making money.

Woodward and the Glazers hit the jackpot when they stumbled across Solskjaer, a man who is relentlessly positive, a club legend, massively popular with the fans and, crucially, so woefully under-qualified for the job that there is never any chance of him rocking their financially-lucrative boat. There is no way that they'll dispense with his services until they have milked every last drop of goodwill towards him. We're not there yet.

 

[Judas]

Probably will take OT turning a bit for anything to change, Ole is a different case to our past managers due to his history.

 

[Alabaster Codify7]

I really want/hoped Ole to succeed, but you cant argue that his record is really, really poor right now.

He HAS been very unlucky with key players missing lots of games, and we clearly don't have a strong squad to make up for it. I think this is what is saving him right now.

We do have to be realistic that any manager coming in now will suffer the same struggles - but there is plenty that could be improved upon.

I personally think if Ole goes, we have to make sure Carrick/Mckenna and the rest are gone with them. It's clear to me they just aren't up to the job.

It's acceptable if you have no interest in football and couldn't care less about trophies/results because you believe that what happens on the pitch has no meaningful impact on the one thing you actually do care about - making money.

Woodward and the Glazers hit the jackpot when they stumbled across Solskjaer, a man who is relentlessly positive, a club legend, massively popular with the fans and, crucially, so woefully under-qualified for the job that there is never any chance of him rocking their financially-lucrative boat. There is no way that they'll dispense with his services until they have milked every last drop of goodwill towards him. We're not there yet.

Very accurate but I see it slightly differently. Their Cup Final is approaching, season ticket renewal time. This, combined with the relentless negative publicity that will no doubt be irking the sponsors/shareholders will mean Ed has to appear to be 'taking action'. And he will, before Christmas. It then gives him a few weeks to saturate the media with positive spin and buzzwords ('January warchest', 'due diligence', 'the future' etc) to ensure 2020 starts relatively positively.

 

[Cassidy]

So I'm on the site and can't find much about them reporting the board being unhappy with Emery prior to him being sacked?

Ornstein said on there that it was a matter of when not if, if I am remembering correctly. Before Southampton he also mentioned something in a Q and A

 

[Gehrman]

We don't have a midfield.

That's also on him though, but not solely his fault. Buying someone like Tielemans in the last summer should be completely possible for a club like united. He sold felliani asap. Who was his plan to replace him?

 

[ottosec]

He will be gone soon. We can't just keep him and throw away the whole season. There are still 24 games to go, and many teams are struggling, a competent manager could get us on track.

Maybe we don't have the best squad, but it's still a decent one. A squad of players that are all performing at their bottom level. I feel that even a temp manager could get more out of these players.

And let's not forget the most important thing. Another year without CL and our deal with adidas drops 30%. And I doubt Woodward is one to lose money without a fight.

 

[Judas]

Either Ed decided we didn't need a midfielder and Ole went along with it, or Ole decided we didn't. Whichever one it is it doesn't look good on Ole, or Ed obviously, but we know that blokes a clown.

 

[Ancient Of Days]

This club is officially finished.

We got owners who have been hoodwinked into believing that there is no one better out there than this current P.E teacher

The class of 92 have managed to manipulatively sell the narrative to the board and the top reds that only Ole Gunner Solskjear is capable of understanding the dynamics of Manchester United and only he one, is capable of giving youth a chance.

Scholes back in September more or less said this season was a write off along with his mate Neville, so you can be sure the board are thinking along those lines, where they've accepted that a rebuild is necessary, one which will take 3-5 years to enact Ole's vision.

It's no wonder the manager has been so relaxed, easy going on the touchline and in Pressers, he knows for now he's more or less untouchable.

Alas, at least we can be safe in the knowledge that we have one of our own and that we're not a sacking club, the culture is getting fixed and this is Manchester United.

 

[VP89]

Ornstein said on there that it was a matter of when not if, if I am remembering correctly. Before Southampton he also mentioned something in a Q and A

I recall it as just after Southampton. In any case it was just days before he was actually sacked

 

[AaronRedDevil]

Not to him. I am sure he sees it as a massive positive that we haven't lost.

That's even worse

 

[manunited1919]

You have a better manager and keeping him is only creating more problems not fixing anything.

They have the job to a manager who’d done nothing so if they were prepared to do that then it makes sense they’d listen to him. I really don’t think ex players are influencing our transfers.

Our problems are deeper than just the manager. We need to have a change in structure and change in overall transfer policy. Otherwise we are just doing the same mistakes over and over. I have never agreed with the “brexit” policy at all, but we need to have a Director of Football establishing and articulating the policy. Right now, we don’t even know where the policy is coming from.

 

[Roboc7]

Our problems are deeper than just the manager. We need to have a change in structure and change in overall transfer policy. Otherwise we are just doing the same mistakes over and over. I have never agreed with the “brexit” policy at all, but we need to have a Director of Football establishing and articulating the policy. Right now, we don’t even know where the policy is coming from.

Everyone knows it’s not just the manager but it’s the manager than will be changed not the structure. Woodward loves the new setup, he’ll sixth Ole if he has to buy nothing else will change.

We are not getting a DOF, that’s a pipe dream, the club don’t want one. All keeping Ole does is handicap us even more by having a weak a manager as well as all the other problems.

 

[United Hobbit]

Am at work so cant follow but keep waiting to hear the radio state he has been removed

Waiting for the club to put a picture of him on social media with "our manager" caption like they've done a lot recently

 

[United Hobbit]

Interesting to see on MOTD2 that there’s zero mention or criticism of Ole. Just criticism of the shape of the team and that they don’t know how we’re trying to play. They’ve been saying the same thing for weeks and weeks and still don’t criticise the manager.

It’s bizarre. In a period where we’ve just seen Unai and Poch sacked, shouldn’t a quality footballing programme be asking the question that if both Spurs and Arsenal who were languishing on similar points have sacked both their managers, is Ole under pressure? They don’t even need to slate him, just ask the question.

I cannot fathom this weird easy ride he’s getting with the press. If this was happening under Jose or any other manager, the knives would be out somewhat.

Surely the shape of the team and playing style are the manager's responsibility!
I completely agree that if it were Jose even if he wasnt being toxic he would still be called out and questioned
Agree they dont even have to do It nastily but it needs to be raised

 

[Andycoleno9]

Am at work so cant follow but keep waiting to hear the radio state he has been removed

Waiting for the club to put a picture of him on social media with "our manager" caption like they've done a lot recently

I googled "solskjaer sacked" 125 times already.

 

[Adnan]

We don't have a midfield.

Tbh Steve, we've known about not having a midfield before we even made a signing in the summer. There was rumours floating around in the summer that we were going to sign only 2 or 3 players and I even suggested on here at the time, that if that was the case then I'd rather see the entire budget spent on reinforcing the midfield and attack. To then see Ole spend £130m on a RB and CB who aren't anywhere close to being the best in their roles was extremely naive to which my response was that he had sacrificed the whole season with his naive thought process.

Our midfield is a state, not just because of the board but also due to Solkjaer and it was very easily predicted before hand.

 

[Djemba-Djemba]

We were told Mourinho was completely safe I think about 24 hours before he was sacked.

All season with Moyes we were constantly being told he was totally safe, it was a long term project and he had the boards full backing and then he was sacked.

I wouldn't put too much stock in these "leaks" backing Ole.

After we lose to Spurs on Wednesday and then lose heavily at City he'll be sacked.

 

[Andycoleno9]

We were told Mourinho was completely safe I think about 24 hours before he was sacked.

All season with Moyes we were constantly being told he was totally safe, it was a long term project and he had the boards full backing and then he was sacked.

I wouldn't put too much stock in these "leaks" backing Ole.

After we lose to Spurs on Wednesday and then lose heavily at City he'll be sacked.

https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...er-united-manager-business-as-usual-liverpool

You have a point there

 

[Wednesday at Stoke]

We were told Mourinho was completely safe I think about 24 hours before he was sacked.

All season with Moyes we were constantly being told he was totally safe, it was a long term project and he had the boards full backing and then he was sacked.

I wouldn't put too much stock in these "leaks" backing Ole.

After we lose to Spurs on Wednesday and then lose heavily at City he'll be sacked.

Knowing Ole, he'll likely pull off 2 points from those games and then proceed to drop points to Everton.

 

[Darlington Padgett]

Probably will take OT turning a bit for anything to change, Ole is a different case to our past managers due to his history.

OT will never turn on Ole....

 

[Devil may care]

At this point we are just delaying the inevitable, but given it's a club legend and we have incompetence above him we'll probably let Ole see the season out and we'll be lucky to finish top 7 at this rate.

 

[AshRK]

OT will never turn on Ole....

In today's time nothing is guaranteed. A huge loss to SPurs and City will irritate many fans. There were some boos already ringing after the 2-2 draw against Villa, so what makes you think this will not increase if the results do not improve. Ultimately no one is bigger than the club.

 

[Buster15]

It's acceptable if you have no interest in football and couldn't care less about trophies/results because you believe that what happens on the pitch has no meaningful impact on the one thing you actually do care about - making money.

Woodward and the Glazers hit the jackpot when they stumbled across Solskjaer, a man who is relentlessly positive, a club legend, massively popular with the fans and, crucially, so woefully under-qualified for the job that there is never any chance of him rocking their financially-lucrative boat. There is no way that they'll dispense with his services until they have milked every last drop of goodwill towards him. We're not there yet.

Brutally accurate.

 

[Adnan]

We were told Mourinho was completely safe I think about 24 hours before he was sacked.

All season with Moyes we were constantly being told he was totally safe, it was a long term project and he had the boards full backing and then he was sacked.

I wouldn't put too much stock in these "leaks" backing Ole.

After we lose to Spurs on Wednesday and then lose heavily at City he'll be sacked.

The decision will come from the Glazers and until then, everyone at the club will play along.

 

[ashneel]

Winning the next match and we'll all be lulled into the revival once again..only to draw the one after

 

[BigBebe]

In today's time nothing is guaranteed. A huge loss to SPurs and City will irritate many fans. There were some boos already ringing after the 2-2 draw against Villa, so what makes you think this will not increase if the results do not improve. Ultimately no one is bigger than the club.

Ed Woodward seems to be bigger than the club.

 

[roonster09]

https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...er-united-manager-business-as-usual-liverpool

You have a point there

Finally some hope.

What a day it was though

 

[dwd]

Just had an alert from the app and got heart palpitations. I think I hate the United app more than the way we play

 

[Adnan]

At this point we are just delaying the inevitable, but given it's a club legend and we have incompetence above him we'll probably let Ole see the season out and we'll be lucky to finish top 7 at this rate.

I don't think him being a club legend will mean anything to the Glazers. I personally think they're already sounding out a caretaker like Hiddink to see out the season. Sacking him now will lift the gloom around the club which is starting to fester among match going fans and non match going fans due to many factors.

 

[Backrow Singer]

I think another frustrating thing is that if we do somehow manage to get a result this week, plenty of people will turn round and will be all “I told you so, you were all wrong, give him a life contract, we’re so lucky etc etc”. And it’s those poor, second best standards that seem to sweep through the club these days. I just think we’re lacking in ambition, there was a stage where we’d win eight on the bounce and if we lost the next one, there would be an inquest. Now winning one in four almost feels acceptable.

They’ve got to set some standards between them.

 

[Judas]

I just can't believe we've found ourselves in the exact same position as a year ago, I feel even worse than I did then as I knew the end was coming and I had the belief the next manager surely couldn't do any worse. What a plonker.

 

[red4ever 79]

Been in work all day. Has he gone yet? Been called into any meetings with Ed?

 

[Andycoleno9]

Finally some hope.

What a day it was though

I see what you did here. Cheeky b....

 

[I Am Zlatan]

It’s sad that a lot of us wanting to wake up to the news of one of our club legends getting sacked, but unfortunately it has to happen.. I don’t see it happening until next week though (that’s if they want to sack), I don’t see the board wanting to throw a caretaker or a new manager in with two tough matches coming up.. also I feel like we usually sack on Tuesday’s (because of the stock market), so most likely next Tuesday..

 

[dev1l]

Been in work all day. Has he gone yet? Been called into any meetings with Ed?

Watford is the right club for you.

 

[Prodigy24]

How is he still here ffs. Sick of these incompetent bastards in the board ruining our club.

 

[AshRK]

I just can't believe we've found ourselves in the exact same position as a year ago, I feel even worse than I did then as I knew the end was coming and I had the belief the next manager surely couldn't do any worse. What a plonker.

Shows how incompetent people running this club are. I am hardly looking forward to who our next manager would be. Woodward has to stop taking footballing decisions.

 

[Alabaster Codify7]

If he loses the next two, I'd bet my savings he's sacked this time next week.

However. If he gets just 1 point from those two, I could see him surviving by the skin of his teeth. I don't think he will get a point though. 1-3 and 3-1.

 

[Will Singh]

Try answer the points I raise. What good would it do sacking Ole a few days before we play Spurs and City? Well? The answer you're looking for is it would do no good at all. We will go into both games as underdogs, especially at the Etihad. Do you think we would fare any better having another caretaker manager? News flash. We aren't getting Poch (yet).

Thank you for your news flash Sherlock. Now going back to your question if I asked you what good would it do keeping Ole for these 2 matches if it won’t change the outcome of us being underdogs?

The fact of the matter is if we are going to sack Ole in the summer or when we won’t make top 4 etc then why not sack him now when we have a chance of getting Poch? Wasn’t it we kept LVG and missed out on Pep..? History repeating its self, agreed Poch and no Pep but he’s got to be the best choice at the moment!

 

[shabadu84]

I remember when we first appointed him, I said that the upside in going with him is that after the ever-growing list of managerial failures, Woody would have nowhere to hide now. If Ole failed, it would surely be Woody's last straw. And yet, here we are, without the promised DoF and with another manager hanging by a thread while Woody's position looks as solid as ever. Good times.