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Hahahaha, very good question!This or Brexit.. what happens first?
Hahahaha, very good question!This or Brexit.. what happens first?
I see what you’re saying, and it may be easy to identify obvious (expensive) targets, but we’ve utterly failed at that over the last six years and three managers. We had 7 mediocre CB’s at the club, yes we needed to solidify that position. RB was an absolute necessity as well, and James is looking to be a good bit of business. People can try and deny Ole credit for signing “obvious” good players for a lot of money, but it sure as hell beats Di Maria and Sanchez.That's a very kind view. On a football team there isn't a lot of positions to fill, so pretty much every club purchase players in areas of need it's not a special talent and it's not something that we didn't do before Solskjaer. Then you have to consider that we brought an attacking player that predominantly played of the left, an 80m CB when we already had 7 at the club and a 50m RB that isn't particularly good going forward while basically ignoring the fact that we still don't have an actual right winger, we don't have a proper #10 even though the manager use a tactic that require one and our CMs don't fit together.
We are basically praising Ole, for signing expensive and known players with only one of them actually fitting an immediate need when you consider squad depth and quality because anything we currently have on the right wing or as #10 is worse than Smalling instead of Maguire and that's barely debatable.
But these players have done nothing they aren't successful signings, they may be in 2 or 3 years but today they are obvious and expensive signings playing for a team that is below average. Di Maria in November 2014 was a far better signing than all of these players put together though. Matic, Bailly, Lukaku, Pogba or Ibrahimovic were all seen considered the way you are considering Ole's signings. None of them have been particularly good, none of them have made our team better, at least not a degree where we would praise Ole and if they did two of them are close among the most expensive players in their positions, that's not how you build a team, it's a terrible model to follow.I see what you’re saying, and it may be easy to identify obvious (expensive) targets, but we’ve utterly failed at that over the last six years and three managers. We had 7 mediocre CB’s at the club, yes we needed to solidify that position. RB was an absolute necessity as well, and James is looking to be a good bit of business. People can try and deny Ole credit for signing “obvious” good players for a lot of money, but it sure as hell beats Di Maria and Sanchez.
Joint announcement?Hahahaha, very good question!
Or Britain leave EU and join SA?Joint announcement?
South Africa, South America or South Australia?Or Britain leave EU and join SA?
I don't think that what you say is the case because our managers have all been given what they wanted initially, it's only bad results that saw them lose the trust and support of the board and Woodward. I also disagree with the glory part because it's fundamentally wrong, in football club presidents are as praised as managers when there is a positive era their is the mentioned as much as any other name in football but it's only one side of the proverbial coin when things don't go well club presidents are also mentioned and criticized, their name is easily tarnished and I'm pretty sure that Woodward is aware of that. I think that he is just bad at his job and afraid to make big changes because he won't be able to hide behind The United way. And you can see that in the managers that we hired, he basically picked the perceived safest option, he picked two extremely experienced managers even though they were declining and he picked a fan favorite after a good streak of games.I dont see Woodward ever appointing a DOF, unless the Glazers tell him to.
I follow NY sports here in USA, baseball/NFL stuff. A lot of them are a disaster and a common thread for the disaster teams is ownership wishing to be involved in decision making. Consequently they hire GMs and even coaches who say what the owners want to hear and who are willing to give owners a say in running things which is of course a disaster obviously. And a lot of these owners/GMs want to be people who are credited with the winning and so are reluctant to hire the obvious exceptional brilliant coach who knows more than them cuz then a) they are sidelined rightly so b) the coach gets more credit. So they make mistake after mistake hiring the wrong GMs and coaches and keep going on never ending rebulids. Which are harder in a salary cap sport.
Now our situation is not the exact same but similar. Woodward wants to be the guy who gets us to glory, so hiring someone like Rangnick would mean ceding control and who will then get the credit for our success. At least in our case it does not appear that owners get involved so badly. But fundamentally the football side of things are under the control of a guy who is not a football guy to begin with. And I don't see that changing on his own volition.
Saudi Arabia?South Africa, South America or South Australia?
Trust me to miss the topically obvious one.Saudi Arabia?
That's how I feel, but someone like Poch wouldn't want to work with a DoF type figure and I do hope we look elsewhere if that is the case. The Times also reported yesterday that Poch wants a bigger say in recruitment at his next job. He's not gonna get that at Madrid or Bayern so I hope we don't bow down to his demands.I don't know if I'm just super optimistic, but I think once Ole is sacked the club will be forced to make structural changes. The ridicule of Woodward and the board is now commonplace, literally everyone knows we are run by idiots. If they need to sack yet another manager - one who defended them tooth and nail ("We are a fantastically run club" -Ole) - something surely has got to give.
And just like with a manager, we need someone who is relentlessly ambitious - more so than just wanting a top job.
I'm with you on Nagelsmann, as you know, but if he's already invested in the Leipzig project and just waiting for Bayern, it's unlikely.That's how I feel, but someone like Poch wouldn't want to work with a DoF type figure and I do hope we look elsewhere if that is the case. The Times also reported yesterday that Poch wants a bigger say in recruitment at his next job. He's not gonna get that at Madrid or Bayern so I hope we don't bow down to his demands.
Nagelsmann, Rose, Ten Hag would be the ones I'd target ahead of Poch. And I'd also keep an eye out for Tuchel who might be available at the end of the season.
It's been reported in various newspapers that he doesn't like working with a DoF type figure. Even the Spurs fans on here @InLevyITrust @GlastonSpur have said the same.I'm with you on Nagelsmann, as you know, but if he's already invested in the Leipzig project and just waiting for Bayern, it's unlikely.
Has Poch been at a club where he had a big say in transfers? What is his record like? Any comments he's made about not wanting to work with a DoF?
Yeah, that's not great. He's not shown himself to be a Guardiola type genius (who incidentally, works with DoF) so it would be pretty mad to put the long-term health of the club at risk yet again. The worry would be that he'd be happy with the current structure and we'd continue this madness.It's been reported in various newspapers that he doesn't like working with a DoF type figure. Even the Spurs fans on here @InLevyITrust @GlastonSpur have said the same.
This snippet from the Times is alarming to anyone who wishes to see a DoF type structure in place.
"Pochettino has privately said that he wants to work with the right owner in future. It is understood that he would want a bigger budget to work with and more control of transfers than he was afforded by Daniel Levy, the Tottenham chairman, with whom he clashed".
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/mauricio-pochettino-im-open-to-offers-now-8tbx3jncx
The best thing that could happen for us, is if Poch decides to go elsewhere IMO. I'm extremely fearful of things going pear-shaped under him due to his stubbornness regarding a DoF.Yeah, that's not great. He's not shown himself to be a Guardiola type genius (who incidentally, works with DoF) so it would be pretty mad to put the long-term health of the club at risk yet again. The worry would be that he'd be happy with the current structure and we'd continue this madness.
The Rangnick quotes made me think he's more desirable to Campos, as he wasn't bending over backwards being submissive and all polite, but pretty hard hitting and to the point. I can't see a person like Rangnick suffering fools. I agree.The best thing that could happen for us, is if Poch decides to go elsewhere IMO. I'm extremely fearful of things going pear-shaped under him due to his stubbornness regarding a DoF.
The best signing we could possibly make is getting Ralf Rangnick on board and give him the responsibility of appointing the next manager and running the football side.
Rangnick would be a better signing than Sancho, Chiesa, Haaland, Poch etc put together IMO. We need a mastermind in charge of the football department and Rangnick is that man.The Rangnick quotes made me think he's more desirable to Campos, as he wasn't bending over backwards being submissive and all polite, but pretty hard hitting and to the point. I can't see a person like Rangnick suffering fools. I agree.
Long term yes I agree with this. Pochettino is desirable but I just don't believe in Ed. Whilst Ed is calling the shots, it will be hard to work with Ed. A buffer would be needed. Worst case scenario, we should get Paul Mitchell in.Rangnick would be a better signing than Sancho, Chiesa, Haaland, Poch etc put together IMO. We need a mastermind in charge of the football department and Rangnick is that man.
Agreed, if Poch comes in chances are high that a couple of years and hundreds of millions of pounds down the line we would be having this discussion all over again after performances and results drop due to failures in recruitment. Woodward would also like to work with him as he would be willing to work under the current structure.Yeah, that's not great. He's not shown himself to be a Guardiola type genius (who incidentally, works with DoF) so it would be pretty mad to put the long-term health of the club at risk yet again. The worry would be that he'd be happy with the current structure and we'd continue this madness.
Won’t happen, if they sack Ole they’ll just appoint someone else and move on. The fans at Old Trafford aren’t giving Ed a tough time, he’s not under pressure from owners so it will just be business as usual. There is clearly no desire to appoint a DOF or change the structure at the club.I don't know if I'm just super optimistic, but I think once Ole is sacked the club will be forced to make structural changes. The ridicule of Woodward and the board is now commonplace, literally everyone knows we are run by idiots. If they need to sack yet another manager - one who defended them tooth and nail ("We are a fantastically run club" -Ole) - something surely has got to give.
And just like with a manager, we need someone who is relentlessly ambitious - more so than just wanting a top job.
When we first got Poch he was the "head coach", that changed with his next contract as "manager". He wants the run of the club and for a time (barring massive signings) he did, influential from youth to first team and massive input on all the new infrastructure.It's been reported in various newspapers that he doesn't like working with a DoF type figure. Even the Spurs fans on here @InLevyITrust @GlastonSpur have said the same.
This snippet from the Times is alarming to anyone who wishes to see a DoF type structure in place.
"Pochettino has privately said that he wants to work with the right owner in future. It is understood that he would want a bigger budget to work with and more control of transfers than he was afforded by Daniel Levy, the Tottenham chairman, with whom he clashed".
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/mauricio-pochettino-im-open-to-offers-now-8tbx3jncx
Of course he didESPN saying Woodward has changed his mind about hiring a Director of Football. Not really surprising, it never really looked like they were all that serious.
The only way it will happen is if a manager asks for one.ESPN saying Woodward has changed his mind about hiring a Director of Football. Not really surprising, it never really looked like they were all that serious.
Yeah and you certainly won't get that kind of demand from Ole or Pochettino which will absolutely delight Woody.The only way it will happen is if a manager asks for one.
Would make alot of sense because Jordi Cruyff and Ole are close friends. It would be a excellent move infact.Make of this what you will:
http://thepeoplesperson.com/2019/12...ruyff-as-their-new-technical-director-210560/
Make of this what you will:
http://thepeoplesperson.com/2019/12...ruyff-as-their-new-technical-director-210560/
Seems more of a case if putting two and two together.United have been searching for a technical director since Ole Gunnar Solskjaer took over the manager’s job on a permanent basis in March. Now there is plenty of evidence – albeit circumstantial – that their search could finally be over.
What?Only at United...
That strikes me as a very good reason not to appoint him.Would make alot of sense because Jordi Cruyff and Ole are close friends. It would be a excellent move infact.