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Manchester United 2:1 Tottenham Hotspur

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Wed, 04 December 2019

P-Nut

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I think it’s possible the squad likes very intense instruction. Something tells me the lesser teams have less of an identity or we just know less about and the team looks lost. Then comes around a big team and Ole knows how to beat them. Am I crazy to think so?
We just don't have the space against smaller teams like we did today. Our press worked cause spurs wanted to play into midfield, if they are lumping it up top and playing off knock downs then we are facing a set defence and we haven't got the required nouce to play through it.

The next step is those smaller teams and breaking apart their defensive blocks.
 

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Told you guys that if we get 2 mids fit we will get much better. McTom, Fred and Pogba could be a good mid for us.

Brilliant game by us.
 

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Fred McT and Lingard can be a decent midfield.

Now imagine if had a fully functioning Pogba there.
 

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Newcastle? Palace? Bournemouth? 10 man Southampton? Give over with the injury rhetoric. We've failed to win numerous winnable games, with and without certain players.
Ah yes those results from earlier in the season from when we haven't progressed at all.

We were shit in those games but thankfully a relatively new side with a new manager is allowed some time to get together. The Bournemouth game aside, we have been playing well since the liverpool match and would have beaten Villa and Sheffield had mctominay and pogba been available......just like we did tonight.
 

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Spine of the team was great today. De Gea was absolutely on top of his game, good performance from both CBs and both CMs, and of course Rashford gave us the stardust to win the game.

Bit more depth all over the park, a top LB and a top striker and I think we'd be challenging again.

Can't fault the effort from any of the lads last night, just need a bit more quality to help us keep possession better.
 

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Well deserved win. They fought until the end. Glad to see Scott back. Thought him and Fred were great. Rashford was outstanding. Margin could have been even more but for some good saves from the Spurs goalkeeper. Lots of credit to Ole.
 

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The alarming thing for me in that game was the respective benches.
Our bench is very weak and doesn't offer enough in terms of potential changes during a game.
Address that in January and with a good result against City we could really kick on in the new year.
 

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The game that ended United's season. Not getting rid of him now, but as we all know it counts for absolutely nothing.

And no, the 5th win of the season is not supposed to make me happy.
my condolences. i hope the next team you support deserves you
 

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McTominay was excellent - show how much we missed him. Fred plays better when he's next to Big Scott. They compliment each other. Maguire's distribution was terrible for a supposedly a "ball-playing CB". I thought the forwards were poor. We still look very ropey at the back. A very poor goal to concede but I could see it coming.

Rashford flattered to deceive - the last chance he had should have been buried for a hat-trick but he dawdled. Jury's out on him still, for me. Wasted a lot of opportunities, with a hit and miss attitude.

Good game time for Greenwood. James did OK but should have made life a bit more difficult for Vertonghen.

The Perreira substitute near the end - why? What was Ole thinking? He offers nothng to the team.

Spurs were quite poor and looked a Mourinho team already. Kane had nothing to feed off.

We were lucky after playing so well for 20 mins in the first half and missing a shed load of chances. Papering over the cracks. Ole's now here for the season. Not ideal from my perspective as I think he's tactically naive.
 

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McTominay was excellent - show how much we missed him. Fred plays better when he's next to Big Scott. They compliment each other. Maguire's distribution was terrible for a supposedly a "ball-playing CB". I thought the forwards were poor. We still look very ropey at the back. A very poor goal to concede but I could see it coming.

Rashford flattered to deceive - the last chance he had should have been buried for a hat-trick but he dawdled. Jury's out on him still, for me. Wasted a lot of opportunities, with a hit and miss attitude.

Good game time for Greenwood. James did OK but should have made life a bit more difficult for Vertonghen.

The Perreira substitute near the end - why? What was Ole thinking? He offers nothng to the team.

Spurs were quite poor and looked a Mourinho team already. Kane had nothing to feed off.

We were lucky after playing so well for 20 mins in the first half and missing a shed load of chances. Papering over the cracks. Ole's now here for the season. Not ideal from my perspective as I think he's tactically naive.
:lol:
Oh dear!
 

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McTominay was excellent - show how much we missed him. Fred plays better when he's next to Big Scott. They compliment each other. Maguire's distribution was terrible for a supposedly a "ball-playing CB". I thought the forwards were poor. We still look very ropey at the back. A very poor goal to concede but I could see it coming.

Rashford flattered to deceive - the last chance he had should have been buried for a hat-trick but he dawdled. Jury's out on him still, for me. Wasted a lot of opportunities, with a hit and miss attitude.

Good game time for Greenwood. James did OK but should have made life a bit more difficult for Vertonghen.

The Perreira substitute near the end - why? What was Ole thinking? He offers nothng to the team.

Spurs were quite poor and looked a Mourinho team already. Kane had nothing to feed off.

We were lucky after playing so well for 20 mins in the first half and missing a shed load of chances. Papering over the cracks. Ole's now here for the season. Not ideal from my perspective as I think he's tactically naive.
Quite right! Perreira is getting his chances, I think Ole wants to give everyone a fair shot before they're scrapped from the team. If he got rid of people right away Fred would be let go and Solskjaer is proving there is a player for us in him after all. Good signs are showing, good times lie ahead. Not right ahead, but with time it will come.
 
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This is getting in the way of my agenda to get Ole sacked and bring in Poch. But credit for Ole to see a player in Fred there and giving him an opportunity to grow. Fantastic to see the drilled passing there. Fair play to ole, excellent big game managements this season. Fair feck to him. All of a sudden looking forward to the game against city. Sort the defence out a bit and with shaw, pogba returning with a proper striker and a winger in jan we can push on. Onward and upward.
 

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I thought both teams were poor, we were just slightly less poor than them. Good win. Need to build on it this time.
 

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I enjoyed the performance, I've been critical of the players mentality and in-game decision making for some time but yesterdays performance was full of positives.

It wasn't perfect, but for the most part each of our players won they're duals and out fought Tottenham. Simply put, we wanted it more than them.

There was s nervy time, when we didn't increase the lead and they equalized. When your on top like we were, we needed that 2 goal margin.

Bring Pereira on for Greenwood was an odd one for me, James and Lingard looked shattered and we know that if you give Greenwood a sight of goal, he's pretty clinical. Little decisions like that make me wonder with Ole.

Rashford was immense, a constant danger. Our midfield was good, Fred in particular. Spurs have been free scoring of late so to limit them and keep Kane/Son/Alli quiet was a good team performance.
 

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Done some serious jizzing off in my ratings, I've got an average of 7.2 versus the caf's 6.6. feck it, they deserve it after a great effort to limit that quality front four to only one (very good) goal.
 

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Great result but it doesn't change much for me. We have been shown over abs over again that we game raise against the better teams this isn't our normal level.
 

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I actually expected us to win for the first time this season and I was proven right (genius alert). Good game in fairness and I wasn't even worried we'd concede at the end, which is more a detriment to how afwul Spurs were than our defensive prowess. By far our best game of the season though and hopefully we can continue like this. More likely scenario is a decent game on saturday before us turning crap against the next bad team we face. Oh well I'll be happy for now.
 

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Great performance and a win. Again Ole got the upper hand on a direct duel with a top-class manager. I am not sure why there is still someone thinks that he's clueless. I mean, where do they think that performance (and the game again Liverpool, if only we hold on for some more mins) come from?
That logic is broken.

Ole can get a team to tactically outmanoeuvre top sides but is flummoxed by far weaker sides?....

More likely that it’s easy to get the players up for a scrap with Liverpool, or their former manager.
 

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Great result. Rashford, Mctom and Fred were excellent. Rashford needs to be more clinical if he wants to be a real top player though. Should have scored at the end. Much better from the left when he can create rather than just score goals.

Lindelof impressed me for once, best i've seen him. James was his usual self which has been pretty good all season.

Young, Andreas and Lingard were poor though IMO. None of them are good enough. Still need a striker, another CM or number 10 and then some depth all over the pitch.
 

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This post is part of the problem. Those votes are not what people want to see, it's the predicted outcomes. And if you're being realistic and actually watching United then it's not crazy or vile or being a bad fan. But to make a post dedicated to anyone with a sense of realism and then painting them with this brush that they're bad, unsupportive fans...that's tactless.
10% of our fans believe we will lose a home game by 3 or 5 goals ? Based on what is that even realistic ? It could happen - but it isn't very realistic
 

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McTominay was excellent - show how much we missed him. Fred plays better when he's next to Big Scott. They compliment each other. Maguire's distribution was terrible for a supposedly a "ball-playing CB". I thought the forwards were poor. We still look very ropey at the back. A very poor goal to concede but I could see it coming.

Rashford flattered to deceive - the last chance he had should have been buried for a hat-trick but he dawdled. Jury's out on him still, for me. Wasted a lot of opportunities, with a hit and miss attitude.

Good game time for Greenwood. James did OK but should have made life a bit more difficult for Vertonghen.

The Perreira substitute near the end - why? What was Ole thinking? He offers nothng to the team.

Spurs were quite poor and looked a Mourinho team already. Kane had nothing to feed off.

We were lucky after playing so well for 20 mins in the first half and missing a shed load of chances. Papering over the cracks. Ole's now here for the season. Not ideal from my perspective as I think he's tactically naive.
Not buying that at all.

Most of the time he was double marked and he created a lot of chances from very little space. By the end of the game, he was blowing out of his arse. A good goal scoring record against the top teams. His perceived attitude is very subjective
 

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Ok, so i love Ole and sadly i think his time at United is over... but performances like yesterday gives me hope he has it in him just hope we see these kind of performance against normal opposition not only against the top 6. And given his standing as a legend maybe we should give him until after xmas and see how it goes
 

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Very happy with the performance, by far the better team on the night which is nice to say against one of the better sides in the league. McTominay makes such a difference and Fred is a different player when he plays alongside him. Rashford was excellent and if anything we should have scored another goal or two. Other than the moment of brilliance from Alli, Spurs looked rather uninspired for the majority of the match. It was a high energy performance with quality to boot.

However, despite all of the positives (of which there are many), we need to find a way to do this on a consistent basis and against the lesser sides. This win is great, but it leaves a bit of a sour taste when we had leads against Sheffield United and Aston Villa but couldn't get over the line. If we win those we're right up Chelsea's arse for 4th. Sadly finishing 4th would probably be punching above our weight this season, but it has to be the aim obviously.

Just have to see how it goes and hopefully keeping McTominay fit and having Pogba play a part over Christmas will form more consistency.
 

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Very happy with the performance, by far the better team on the night which is nice to say against one of the better sides in the league. McTominay makes such a difference and Fred is a different player when he plays alongside him. Rashford was excellent and if anything we should have scored another goal or two. Other than the moment of brilliance from Alli, Spurs looked rather uninspired for the majority of the match. It was a high energy performance with quality to boot.

However, despite all of the positives (of which there are many), we need to find a way to do this on a consistent basis and against the lesser sides. This win is great, but it leaves a bit of a sour taste when we had leads against Sheffield United and Aston Villa but couldn't get over the line. If we win those we're right up Chelsea's arse for 4th. Sadly finishing 4th would probably be punching above our weight this season, but it has to be the aim obviously.

Just have to see how it goes and hopefully keeping McTominay fit and having Pogba play a part over Christmas will form more consistency.
This is the golden question really.

The team keep proving the ability is there to win tight matches, but can we become the flat track bully we need to be?. I feel like it's definitely a mentality issue, we don't play with half the fire and intensity we do when a bigger team comes to town. If we played like that against everybody they'd be blown away inside 30 minutes.

I think our squad is perhaps made up of too many "easy going" characters, we need to get some more people with fire in their bellies. Haaland I think would suit this team in that sense perfectly. He's a must to sign ASAP.
 

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Zoom out and you'll realise this little period in Leicesters history is a blip on the radar. A nice blip but a blip all the same. :)
Everything is a blip on the radar at first. We can only talk about the foreseeable future.
 

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That logic is broken.

Ole can get a team to tactically outmanoeuvre top sides but is flummoxed by far weaker sides?....

More likely that it’s easy to get the players up for a scrap with Liverpool, or their former manager.

Or maybe it's because smaller teams tend to look for their chances against us because it's been very long since any of them had a chance against Utd. so they see it as a great achievement to get a result against us. If we can beat Tottenham home we can beat any team weaker than them home and we're the only ones so far to stop Liverpool, it counts for something.
Getting your team consistency takes some revamp too, some players just won't show up against "small" teams, and those will be let go.But it's results like these that make those who want to work hard every game to want to stay.
There is no magic answer, this project will take time, Solskjaer is going to get a fair crack at it, he's got a 3 year long contract and won't be hated by the players like Mourinho was.
 

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I don't understand this team.
Same. Good result when looking just at this result - very good. Decent performance to build upon etc. But then, you know in the back of your mind that there's a below par performance just around the corner. You can't trust this team.

But today, life is good.
 

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Credit where it's due, Ole played a blinder last night. The players were probably fired up to get one over on Ole, but that to me can also be viewed as a negative because it makes us seem like game raisers (like most other midtable teams are).

But, Ole got everything spot on last night, great showing.
 

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Don't get me wrong, I was absolutely gutted when they equalised before half time, but this stat:

United haven't lost from a half-time winning position at home since the Premier League's inception (last happened in 1984).

Most of us are aware of this stat, but for whatever reason I absolutely brick it when there's a chance that it could be broken. The Liverpool game nearly ended my life. I don't know why I'm so obsessed with it.
 

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Much as I'm really happy about last night's result, I'm not going to get too enthusiastic just yet.

We beat Spurs with a penalty and a GK error, - a Spurs team who have been so poor at times this season they just sacked the Manager who a few weeks ago everyone was saying we should get at OT to replace OGS.

One decent performance, probably only the third one after Chelski and the Scousers matches, still hasn't made up for some of the absolute crap we've had to suffer the back end of last season and so far this season.

Still, I'll enjoy the next few days until the inevitable let down against Citeh at weekend.
 

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