Racism in Italy - even anti-racism is filled with racism

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I wonder how that must have went ...

-"They're doing monkey chants against some of our black players. We need to do something, this is making Serie A look bad!"
-"How about a campaign? Get that guy who always uses monkeys, fits perfectly doesn't it?"
-"Yeah, great idea!"
 

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How have i not seen this before :eek: :lol:

There's also some prominent companies that backed it back than, i guess this is where Serie A got the idea from...


 

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Alabaster Codify7 said:
I think it just highlights how differently the Italians, for example, are wired in terms of racism in general. "I'm trying to highlight that we are all monkeys, really". It's like something from fecking Brasseye. The guy clearly isn't trying to be racist or provocative, he's simply oblivious to the real basis of the issue. Football fans aren't ignorant to the fact that all human beings have evolved from apes, that is completely missing the point in question.

It's like the entire thing has gone over his head, not becase he's stupid, because his perception of racism is just completely 'off'.

"Oh, we should remind them that they too, are evolved from apes."

Yes, pal. I think they know that. What they believe though, is that black people never evolved in the first place and are still essentially apes - so your message is completely irrelevant.
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Doesn't look like clubs involved in decision...
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What. The. Feck.

How... Why... Wait, Really... Wow
 

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At what point does UEFA step in and starts behaving like the adult in the room? You cannot have this kind of happening over and over in 2019.
 

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starman said:
How have i not seen this before :eek: :lol:

There's also some prominent companies that backed it back than, i guess this is where Serie A got the idea from...


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Not a single black face in the photo too... :lol:
 

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starman said:
How have i not seen this before :eek: :lol:

There's also some prominent companies that backed it back than, i guess this is where Serie A got the idea from...

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Following in the footsteps of Suarez who got charged with 8-game ban by FA for racially abusing Evra, and then went on to do the same the very first time Liverpool met United, by refusing to shake Evra's hand? That was bound to end well…
 

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Lynty said:
Don't be pedantic. It's inappropriately funny - like someone dropping a coffin at a funeral. You laugh because the situation is bizarre/surreal.

It needs addressing, enough is enough, but the whole affair was played out like a perfect piece of satire. Italian FA and journalists have only reaffirmed and exposed their own cultural bias. Which is hilarious. Cast Ricky Gervais as chief of the PR team and it would be a Netflix hit.
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No mate I don’t see it. And neither do you.
 

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Curious, I looked up the FA's, UEFAs and Kick Out anti-racism campaigns. It's just poor across the board. Really weak/tame stuff. In contrast, a quick search on google showed how it should be done - with things that make you think about our own bias even the ones we hold unconsciously, and then how external influences can re-enforce that bias (the google one below):






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No mate I don’t see it. And neither do you.
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Not sure what you getting at.

It is funny, my whole team (predominantly black) also thought it funny. You can find things funny and shocking simultaneously - or are you only able to feel one emotion at a time?
 

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At the this point I'm beginning to think it's some kind of parody and they're genuinely taking the piss.
 

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Italian is for sure a great object to study, for siences which do researches in this field. My guess is that catolizism plays a role, but more and related/followed by that the era of their kind of facism there and the fact, that this era and mentality is not worked up there. On the other side, this also would fit to spain, and things like that occur a little bit lesser there..
hmm, sometimes you can only wonder how stupid people can be. And what also differs Italian from Spain is their own history of migration (cleverly forementioned by a poster here). You can only shake your head, fight racism everytime you see it, and try to make it better for as much people as you can.
 

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Lynty said:
Curious, I looked up the FA's, UEFAs and Kick Out anti-racism campaigns. It's just poor across the board. Really weak/tame stuff. In contrast, a quick search on google showed how it should be done - with things that make you think about our own bias even the ones we hold unconsciously, and then how external influences can re-enforce that bias (the google one below):








Not sure what you getting at.

It is funny, my whole team (predominantly black) also thought it funny. You can find things funny and shocking simultaneously - or are you only able to feel one emotion at a time?
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Don't be pedantic. It's inappropriately funny - like someone dropping a coffin at a funeral. You laugh because the situation is bizarre/surreal.

It needs addressing, enough is enough, but the whole affair was played out like a perfect piece of satire. Italian FA and journalists have only reaffirmed and exposed their own cultural bias. Which is hilarious. Cast Ricky Gervais as chief of the PR team and it would be a Netflix hit.
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Ironically I am going to a funeral tomorrow. I am pretty sure there wouldn't be laughter if the coffin was dropped.
I will also ask my extended family if they find this way of tackling racism right, funning or just plan insane. I know what they will say.

Personally I wouldn't look at this in any other way than the Italian FA being racist and having a very warped way of dealing with it.
If you are trying to find humour in this I'd have a look at yourself. There's not a lot of things that bother me, society on this planet is fecked but I can't stand for, or agree with anything along these lines.
 

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Lynty said:
Don't be pedantic. It's inappropriately funny - like someone dropping a coffin at a funeral. You laugh because the situation is bizarre/surreal.

It needs addressing, enough is enough, but the whole affair was played out like a perfect piece of satire. Italian FA and journalists have only reaffirmed and exposed their own cultural bias. Which is hilarious. Cast Ricky Gervais as chief of the PR team and it would be a Netflix hit.
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It's still not funny, not even as satire, it's deeply offensive. Dropping a casket at a funeral isn't the same as dehumanising a whole race of people. If you can't see why that's not funny then there isn't much I can do for you.

They're absolute fecking morons of the highest order and each and everyone of them should be sacked and forced into sensitivity training.
 

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Never seen a campaign like that, even in Germany in the 1933
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You can't imagine...the comparison isn't good. After taking the power in 1933 the amount of racism, by the people and more so from every institution of the state, followed by more racism by the people, and so on until the horrible industrial planed genozide (to be precise: killing all oppositions shortly after 1933, till genozide to jews, homosexuals, polish intelligencia, ... starting 1939) was unbelievable.
Don't compare this please, these are like two different things. You don't do both things a favor if you don't analyse it properly.
 

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crossy1686 said:
It's still not funny, not even as satire, it's deeply offensive. Dropping a casket at a funeral isn't the same as dehumanising a whole race of people. If you can't see why that's not funny then there isn't much I can do for you.

They're absolute fecking morons of the highest order and each and everyone of them should be sacked and forced into sensitivity training.
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If I'm not mistaken, @Lynty and @Gringo find the ridiculousness of the campaign and the poor attempt from the Italian FA funny. Not subject of racism.
 

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JPRouve said:
If I'm not mistaken, @Lynty and @Gringo find the ridiculousness of the campaign and poor attempt from the Italian FA funny. Not subject of racism.
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Yeah the campaign is absolutely absurd, and I get the humour in the monumental feck up that is the campaign but the subject matter still isn't amusing. If this was a pro-peadophilia campaign, run by peadophiles who accidentally outed themselves I'm pretty sure people wouldn't find it funny.
 

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crossy1686 said:
Yeah the campaign is absolutely absurd, and I get the humour in the monumental feck up that is the campaign but the subject matter still isn't amusing. If this was a pro-peadophilia campaign, run by peadophiles who accidentally outed themselves I'm pretty sure people wouldn't find it funny.
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Well it's not a pro-anything campaign, it's one of the most ridiculous anti-racism campaign that most of us have ever seen and it's ridiculous enough to not warrant any outrage and eventually laugh at their stupidity because sometimes stupidity is funny. It's probably the same bunch that had no issue with "Opti Poba", they aren't worth your time or energy because everything they do on that matter is faked.
 

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I cannot believe there are people looking at this and saying "well, we are all descended from monkeys".

a) You aren't quite right there. Human beings had a common ancestor. We didn't descend from what are currently "monkeys" (actually, those pictured are chimpanzees)

b) One of Italy's biggest problems stems from the black people/monkey jibe. It is used ruthlessly and without recourse.

c) Anyone with an ounce of media savvy, from the design, approval and marketing stage that thought this was okay deserves to lose their jobs. It's and insanely insensitive approach to tackling the monkey jibes that Serie A players get week in and week out.

Aside from anything else, even if you excuse this as having good intentions, what fecking moron OK'd this? What absolute bumfart thought this was okay? Seriously. You have no future in marketing or public affair campaigns. feck off out of your job, you silly sausage.
 

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They look like they been told: "Smile widely 'til it hurts or I'll shoot you."
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No way. Oh, my god. What a pair of fecking idiots. The way to deal with black players being called monkeys, is a couple of fecking idiots saying "I'm a monkey too", as though it will take the sting out of it for the black players that have to endure it. You've never been called it with such spite Suarez, you absolute racist tit.

Evra was right about you, you utter pleb.
 

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Bocca9978 said:
Ironically I am going to a funeral tomorrow. I am pretty sure there wouldn't be laughter if the coffin was dropped.
I will also ask my extended family if they find this way of tackling racism right, funning or just plan insane. I know what they will say.

Personally I wouldn't look at this in any other way than the Italian FA being racist and having a very warped way of dealing with it.
If you are trying to find humour in this I'd have a look at yourself. There's not a lot of things that bother me, society on this planet is fecked but I can't stand for, or agree with anything along these lines.
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People would laugh at a dropped casket. A little muffled laughter at the back which would be frowned upon, lighter laughter at the wake by extended family, by next Christmas people would be laughing in disabielf about the time little Timmy dropped Uncle Jo's coffin.

I don't have to ask extended family, last time I looked in the mirror I was 'coloured'.

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It's still not funny, not even as satire, it's deeply offensive. Dropping a casket at a funeral isn't the same as dehumanising a whole race of people. If you can't see why that's not funny then there isn't much I can do for you.

They're absolute fecking morons of the highest order and each and everyone of them should be sacked and forced into sensitivity training.
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There's not much I can do for you if you can't find any humour in the mismanagement of all this. Truly a sad way to live.
 

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Since when did this thread turn into whether dropped caskets at funerals were funny? If the body falls out then it's not funny. If not, then maybe a chortle.
 

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Lynty said:
People need to lose their jobs for this. Getting paid handsomely to tackle this issue and this is what the come up with? Forget about the strong possibility that the whole Italian FA is racist, they have proved to be grossly incompetent at making informed decisions, which highlights why serie A was a mess for years and doesn't bode well for the future of the league. FIFA/UEFA need to force a restructure.

Regardless, Gabrielle Gravina and the whole board of directors need to be branded racist, or at least condoning racism. They haven't done enough and now made it worse.



Bad idea. To be honest, I'd pay for people to go and sit on the front row at Anfield in Liverpool shirts and do monkey chants every week if it could points docked.
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Unless mistaken not sure you could pay each one enough to cover the cost of a heavy fine they should get in addition to the club being deducted points. I think all parties need to be punished collectively for it to work. Not sure the standard commoner could consistently afford a 10k fine and how many people could afford 380k a year ? It can work in principle.
 

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MrBest said:
Unless mistaken not sure you could pay each one enough to cover the cost of a heavy fine they should get in addition to the club being deducted points. I think all parties need to be punished collectively for it to work. Not sure the standard commoner could consistently afford a 10k fine and how many people could afford 380k a year ? It can work in principle.
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I believe that would require change in legislation and redefinition of racism and hate crime. Never going to happen.

Perpetrators get a slap on the wrist, essentially, and released. So a few hundred quid, a handful of pints and some encouragement would likely be enough for a teenage dilinquent with racist tendencies.

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I'd be interested to see the campaigns they REJECTED.

"No, they're no good. THIS is the one"
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I genuinely believe they are mocking racism and have no interest in fighting it.

Surely the only answer that horrendous display.
 
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