Ramos
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Thought about this too. Blackface is bound to happen at some point.Just waiting for their national team to show up in blackface, to "show support".
Thought about this too. Blackface is bound to happen at some point.Just waiting for their national team to show up in blackface, to "show support".
Imagine that.There has to be someone that only draws/paints bananas?
If you say so. I’d get my head kicked in if I referred to a black person as coloured.I don't have to ask extended family, last time I looked in the mirror I was 'coloured'..
Where are you from?If you say so. I’d get my head kicked in if I referred to a black person as coloured.
UKWhere are you from?
Not sure it requires a change in legislation, it is more a change of a process. Then again I am no legal expert. As for redefining the definition of racism, I think you are just digging.I believe that would require change in legislation and redefinition of racism and hate crime. Never going to happen.
Perpetrators get a slap on the wrist, essentially, and released. So a few hundred quid, a handful of pints and some encouragement would likely be enough for a teenage dilinquent with racist tendencies.
No lets leave it. You have no true understanding of the topic if you think calling somebody 'coloured' would get your head kicked in.UK
I don’t need to get into this. I just can’t see where you are coming from.
IIRC magistrates prosecute under the Public Order Act, racist and regligious hate crime. Monkey chant isn't classified as hate under CPS guidelines, so doesn't qualify for maximum sentence. They prosecute under harassment with races being a aggravating factor (which allows them to increase the sentence)Not sure it requires a change in legislation, it is more a change of a process. Then again I am no legal expert. As for redefining the definition of racism, I think you are just digging.
My point is saying a slap on the wrist is not enough, I may not have the solution but whatever the rules are now is clearly not working. If we continue the way we are now we will never progress. Up to the governing boards to do something because campaigns by Sterling etc really have no effect.
At a news conference on Monday, artist Simone Fugazzotto, who always uses monkeys in his work, said: "For an artist there is nothing more important than trying to change the perception of things through his own work.
"I've always been painting monkeys for five to six years, so I thought I'd make this work to teach that we're all apes, I made the western monkey with blue and white eyes, the Asian monkey with almond-shaped eyes and the black monkey positioned in the centre, where everything comes from. The monkey becomes the spark to teach everyone that there is no difference, there is no man or monkey, we are all alike. If anything we are all monkeys."
If you say so. I’d get my head kicked in if I referred to a black person as coloured.
It depends where you are from. Calling someone coloured in South Africa is seen as perfectly acceptable term to refer to someone with mixed heritages.No lets leave it. You have no true understanding of the topic if you think calling somebody 'coloured' would get your head kicked in.
I think the first monkey is supposed to be Asian because the eyes are slanted, the second monkey black because the eyes are dark and the third monkey white because the eyes are blue.Tweet
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yesI think the first monkey is supposed to be Asian because the eyes are slanted, the second monkey black because the eyes are dark and the third monkey white because the eyes are blue.
Even the artists far too subtle messaging is based on racial stereotypes.
If you'll take points or disqualify a whole country because of it, the only reaction you'll get from them would be denial and anger (at you, not at racism).If a fan of United did that and we got docked 10 points because of it, you create a culture that it is wrong. I would be pissed that we have lost 10 points but happy to see something of more substance is being done to embed governance.
Now wait until Inter fans tell Lukaku that the fans that call him a monkey are actually using monkeys as a metaphor for human beingsI decided to portray monkeys to talk about racism because they are the metaphor for human beings. Last year I was at the stadium to see Inter v Napoli [a match in which Napoli defender Kalidou Koulibaly was racially abused] and I felt humiliated, everyone was shouting 'monkey' at Koulibaly, a player I respect.
Yeah that is the initial reaction of a child too to throw the toys out the pram. Eventually they learn right and wrong when it is enforced enough times.If you'll take points or disqualify a whole country because of it, the only reaction you'll get from them would be denial and anger (at you, not at racism).
That's fine, it's the early stages of their recovery. You don't just let the action go untreated.If you'll take points or disqualify a whole country because of it, the only reaction you'll get from them would be denial and anger (at you, not at racism).
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OMG you're right; hadn't looked that closely before.I think the first monkey is supposed to be Asian because the eyes are slanted, the second monkey black because the eyes are dark and the third monkey white because the eyes are blue.
Even the artists far too subtle messaging is based on racial stereotypes.
One has to wonder how many sets of internal eyeballs saw this, yet still signed off on it? This was incredible.Unbelievable really how on earth did that get from idea to execution without anyone thinking "maybe not the greatest idea"?
Reminded me of this classic PR disaster:
I do think it's great to see the other players doing what they did. Footie players should stand together against that kinda shit. Don't know why the Italian fans kept whistling like a bunch of turds. Even if you don't understand why he got pissy and emotional at first - surely you d understand after you see the players reaching out to him.Tweet
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The tweet or the woman posing? Or both?The thing is I don’t believe for a second it’s malicious. It’s just pure ignorance. Whoever it responsible for that, is just completely oblivious to how offensive they are.