Without injury he is a absolutely safe bet. A Fantastic player.
Kai Havertz
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
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To be honest, when Manchester United approach any high quality players, they will be forced to over pay.
It's just this season we started to over pay the right way and finding bargains..
In the mould of a prime young Ozil.
Coutinho is doing very well at Bayern and I doubt they'd go for Havertz if they decide to buy the Brazillian.
What nationality is Coutinho? You could have just said if they decided to buy Coutinho. Would have saved you time as I’m sure lots of people here aren’t struggling to find his nationality.
Dont want because he would stop our youngster lingarinho development
Why does it matter? Stopping being a baby.
I like the look of that team but feel we need a more experienced starting LB, amazes me that we do not seem even remotely interested in Partey for some reason, totally agree with people who say that champions league football is an absolute necessity if we want to sign Sancho in the summer. Mind you it does feel that we are more interested in Maddison though and could see Sancho joining Chelsea or Liverpool instead.
I doubt we will buy him. He is too expensive and we will never be able to compete with other teams with champion league football. Utd will be last choice. Furthermore, he may make those runs but do we have capable midfielders to spot his runs? I don't see any midfielders in our team who can spot that run so he might be a flop that we sell for 25 million after a few years.
I am very sure that we’re not going to buy Coutinho. At least not for the option we have. Far too expensive. If we can get Havertz, I’m pretty sure Coutinho is gone. And we will try to get him.
Partey is a pure DM no? I don't think we have ever played with a pure DM.
That might explain why we are looking at a more box to box option like Saul, however he has a very hefty price tag that I would be very surprised if Utd are willing to meet
Partey doesn't make sense for us in a 4-2-3-1 setup. He's too limited and a player like Niguez, McGinn, Guimaeres would be the way forward IMO due their ability to help both the attack and defence.
Who would be your ideal choice out of those three you mentioned, we could really do with signing another creative midfield option in January as when Pogba doesn't create we look devoid of any spark at all.
As far as creativity goes Bruno guimarães would be the best player we could sign with a longterm view imo. He has very good passing range and line breaking ability that would be invaluable for us. He's also very good at shielding the defence and would be a fantastic box to box #8 that would provide creativity via his vision/passing. He's available for €30m according to many media outlets and at 22 years of age would be a very shrewd signing. Would need time to settle and acclimatise to new surroundings though.
I'd personally sign McGinn and Guimaraes ahead of Niguez due to the financial outlay it would take to sign the Atletico Madrid player. McGinn and Guimaraes would likely cost less than Niguez put together and would be a more sensible approach as far as a rebuild is concerned imo.
He played as an 8 last year, too. Same position but the departure of Brandt really hurts him. He's getting into less goal scoring situations but he also lacks the compusure he had last year.
However, he's still playing great and is easily our best player every match he plays. He receives a lot of criticism because many fans are butthurt that he's leaving and now that his numbers are missing and his body language is a little bit like Özil's some become really unfair Truth is, his overall game is still brillant. The game against Cologne is decent proof of that, had some great moments in a generally poor side.
People also don't see that our opponent's have identified him as the greatest danger. He's constantly man marked, isolated or plays against two defenders at once. Creates much space for other players that way. But if a 20 year old gets such a treatment you know how good he is. I reckon that once he plays for a truly elite club and the oppo defense has to split it's attention on multiple players again, he'll be back to scoring loads and loads of goals.
For how much do you think you will sell him to Bayern?
I don't think he'll go there. Carro (something like our president) already said that the benchmark for Havertz is Joao Felix and he doesn't think he's worth one penny less, so we are talking about something in the spheres of 120m. Bayern won't pay that, especially not if they buy Coutinho.
Some insiders in Leverkusen forums said he's already commited himself to Barcelona who are apparently all over him. Would make sense for various reasons, one being that he's a self-proclaimed Barca fan in his childhood and Völler (our director of sports) has explained on multiple occasions that he always tries to avoid selling our top players to league rivals. I guess this will mostly depend on whether Barca get Neymar or not since he may simply be too expensive then. However, it's also possible Barca buys both, especially since a midfield consisting of Havertz, de Jong and Arthur would solve this position for the next 10 years or so.
Generally, German journalists say that every top club out there is in for him: Barcelona, Madrid, Liverpool (Klopp is apparently very impressed by him and they could make him theirpriority during the next window), Juventus, Chelsea, United, City. Usually Bayern can't compete if those clubs are in. Reus was similarly offensive to Kimmich regarding a transfer of Havertz to Dortmund, by the way. Both have been quiet for some time now, could mean everything or nothing.
It's clear that many newspapers are trying to write him to Bayern but he himself constantly mentions going abroad is also an option. I'd say chances are around 10% that he goes there.
What?
Both Reus and Kimmich talked about Havertz moving to their respective with the media quite frankly. Much more frankly than club officials usually do it. Reus said that he planned to try everything to convince Havertz of a move to Drtmund. Kimmich on the other hand talked about a possible transfer of Havertz to Bayern on two occasions, saying that Havertz is "one for Bayern Munich" and that he would "fit in well at Bayern".after Havertz' debut for Germany. Both interviews were very bold considering that they talked about a player who is still under contract at another Bundesliga club and I think the outrage of Bayern/Dortmund officials would've been much bigger if someone talked about their players like that but I guess you've got to live with such double standards.
Anyway, the bottom line was that Bayern an Dortmund players openly tried to convince Havertz of a move and have been quiet for quite some time now. I have the feeling that we won't see Havertz in the Bundesliga next season.
Can't say I've seen much of him. I know his feet are 'good for a big guy' but are they quick enough for the PL?
Nobby Stiles says hi. Best you study up on United’s history. Have been many United players who were pure defensive midfielders.
Should have worded it better. As long as I have been watching United.
Will brush up on our history.
KDB just put up his current league statline in less than 1 half.
It was a question from an interviewer. What else should he have said? "No, he sucks and doesn't have the level for Bayern?" Get a grip...
Only Reus made an unprompted public move, so don't lump them together.
If Toni Kroos answered something similar after an international match but but not regarding Havertz and Bayern but Gnabry and Madrid, I guarantee you every Bayern fan and the hypocrats Rummenigge and Hoeneß would be outraged. Only that Kimmich did it on two separate occasions.
And you know very well what he could've answered other than that because we hear these kind of trained standard responses every weekend in post match interviews.
Again: The only thing he said is Havertz would be a good enough player for us. And no, nobody would be outraged about anyone pointing out something so trivial.
While we're at playing assumption games: I'd bet you don't lose a sweat about what smaller clubs say about you guys after gobbling up the oompteenth big talent.
All you are displaying here is your frustration about not sitting on the top of the food chain.
Matic?
No he didn't and no I don't. Kimmich knew how his words will be interpreted. It's clear if you actually watch that interview.
I'm not frustrated or even mad by the way, I'm merely pointing out double standards. I'm completely okay with role we have and happily accept that Dortmund and Bayern are a few levels above us in the food chain and I know very well that we feed on smaller clubs the same way you feed on us. I root for Dortmund, exemplarily, and watch almost every game of them. And I have absolutely zero ill feelings towards players who left us because they wanted to improve.
What I don't like is that different measuring sticks are applied in such cases. As I said, if that was a player of a club bigger than yours who said the same thing about a Bayern player, Hoeneß, Rummenigge and the German media would be up in arms.
Anyway, even that was just a side note of my post, what I wanted to point out is that Reus and Kimmich were very vocal regarding Havertz and have become rather quiet ever since.
Player’s representative holds ‘concrete talks’ with Man United and Man City – Club demand €100m+ for transfer
On November 27th, SportBild reported Bayer Leverkusen’s Kai Havertz is aware that Manchester United are are ‘a fallen giant’ but a move to Old Trafford would still have attractions for him.
http://sportwitness.co.uk/players-r...d-and-man-city-club-demand-e100-for-transfer/
On November 27th, SportBild reported Bayer Leverkusen’s Kai Havertz is aware that Manchester United are are ‘a fallen giant’ but a move to Old Trafford would still have attractions for him.
http://sportwitness.co.uk/players-r...d-and-man-city-club-demand-e100-for-transfer/
Have City already given up on Rodri?
Very different players.
He will inevitably end up in Bayern, we shouldnt even waste time pursuing him
Feck that, it seems every supposed talented player is worth 100 million or more nowadays.
We need to be a lot more shrewd in the way we conduct our business from now on, we can't continue spending like that on single players.Ah Nobby!! Couldn’t run, couldn’t see, couldn’t shoot, couldn’t head ...
Best reader of the game in the Utd side and also England. Alf Ramsey said he was the best professional in the side and just had such a wonderful attitude and character
So Saul, Sancho, Haaland and now this guy? Do it Ed 
Like we wouldn't pay the extra for Hazard, Lucas Moura.. Who cares how much they cost as long as they improve us.Feck that, it seems every supposed talented player is worth 100 million or more nowadays.
Talented German player, moving to FC Bayern in the summer, nothing to see here.
Not always the case - especially if clubs outside of Germany are willing to pay over 100m
There is no denying Havertz' talent, but to me he doesn't look like he can dominate games at all (yet). Put him in a team like Pep's where players open up space for each other and roles are clearly assigned and he will probably look fairly good, but I don't really see him fixing United's problems and if the club does sign him with the expectations of a €100m+ fee he could easily end up a misunderstanding/disappointment. At least initially.
I think this hype and price tag might end up hurting him by forcing him to make the biggest step possible, because everyone else gets priced out.
I think this hype and price tag might end up hurting him by forcing him to make the biggest step possible, because everyone else gets priced out.
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