Solskjær sack watch | 2019/20 edition

[Red_toad]

Yep. Any loss against these two would surely render his position untenable.

There is no media pressure, nor fan pressure for him to go. So he's in it until that changes. Fans would rather blame individual players and Nev and co and too close to the manager to have a go at him. Plus for me I don't see things improving much until there's another review of the first team squad and coaches.
Unless we get absolutly hammered in an upcoming game, Ole is safe for me.

 

[the chameleon]

Let's not blame Ole here. He should not have been appointed manager beyond last season.

There was no clear logic to make him a permanent manager other than the run we had early last year. He's done his best at the club. Despite his inexperience and incompetence in all areas of the role apart from man-management and saying the right things.

In the end, most competent owners, CEOs or DoFs would have fired him. That's if they had hopes of their clubs competing at the top level (which you would expect from a club like ours).

But here he still is. Yes, we beat city and spurs, but sit at the middle of the table, 24 points of the leaders who also happen to be our biggest rivals.

Solskjaer will continue having a rollercoaster ride. It's not fault here. The blame should be on Woodward. His 6.5 years of being a complete bozo and failure.

Look at Spurs, Bayern, Everton - all their managers have been fired. Before we would wait till top 4 was written off, now I don't think they even care about top 4.

It is completely beyond the logics of running a club like United. But once pressure piles up on him, he will do another press release to cover his back.

 

[::sonny::]

I would like to see as a new manager someone who brings a bit on energy

Looking at LVG, Mourinho and Ole, they look like are sleeping on the bench during the whole game or watching a movie on the sofa

unacceptable

 

[Robbie Boy]

Kind of reminds me of LvG's last season here, every single time it looked like he would be sacked, he managed to pull a result out of the bag and ended up lasting the season despite a distinct lack of progress and some absolutely hideously bad football. Ole is following the same trodden path: Our football has bye-and-large been mind numbingly boring and we still lack any semblance to a modern high intensity side. Despite the huge claims of progression, I really fail to see any progress with how we set-up or play. Ole will last the season, I just don't see the Board severing ties with him with no fan pressure whatsoever, but I sincerely hope that barring a miracle turn of fortunes, Ole isn't here next season.

 

[Alabaster Codify7]

Looking at our Xmas / NY schedule, it doesnt look good at all. Congested fixtures against the type of teams that are designed to beat Ole's underdog football. He will do well to survive January by the skin of his teeth, to be honest. Season ticket renewals will be due quite soon into the new year, right? Ole had better hope he somehow pulls a string of wins out of his arse before then or he's gone, simple as that. Ed will need a positive narrative to try and convince people to renew for next season, if that narrative isn't displayed on the field and the league table, he'll cull the manager and tell then fans we've got a warchest and a 'real plan' this time.

 

[M16Red]

I get that a manager can be a great influencer of players and I'm not sure if Ole is tough enough on them (though none of us know what goes on behind closed doors... I hope he laid into them yesterday).

But, regardless of your manager, you've got to have a personal pride to give more than they have been in some games. Players have got to take some of the blame here... this pathetic look, head down, "woe is me" attitude gets on my nerves.

Whoever your manager is, whatever the score is... absolute bare minimum is you run your arse off.

I agree, but are there ramification's for the poor play. Or will he just put his arm round Jesse and say "Its fine your still learning"

he needs to dig them out now, not Jose level digging out just dig out the player who let you down and drop him.

"I wouldn't have tried the lob" should really be "Jesse has had a very poor game and with the talent coming through like Gomes, he needs to raise his game, you play on merit not your insta numbers"

I know he's old school and keeps it all in house - but he can't keep playing under performing players and hoping they will become world beaters.

i'd have Mata over Jesse currently and Mata is slow, light weight.

 

[peridigm]

We've played everyone except Burnley.

As the current table stands with United in 8th place.
15 points from the teams above us. 4 wins, 3 draws, 0 losses.Home record is 3-1-0 away record is 1-2-0.
10 points from the teams below us. 2 wins, 4 draws, 5 losses. Home record is 1-3-1 away record is 1-1-4.

It's official. We're game raising cnuts.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

Just get rid already.

 

[klsv]

Sack him now, two weeks of Carrick and a new big name manager in January. Get some results, buy one player, if that. Things start going to shit again closer to spring with threads like "Ole wasn't wrong after all" and "It wasn't the manager, wasn't it" popping up. The "preparing to make a bid" phase for a few players in the summer with us here tracking flights , end up with two new signings in August. Compared to what we how now, start next season with two or three new players in the starting eleven but mostly the same dross. "Sack the manager?" poll on here by this time next year. Wish the board had a plan and a vision, a sense of identity instead of being reactionary lot of cnuts.

 

[Gator Nate]

Sack him now, two weeks of Carrick and a new big name manager in January. Get some results, buy one player, if that. Things start going to shit again closer to spring with threads like "Ole wasn't wrong after all" and "It wasn't the manager, wasn't it" popping up. The "preparing to make a bid" phase for a few players in the summer with us here tracking flights , end up with two new signings in August. Compared to what we how now, start next season with two or three new players in the starting eleven but mostly the same dross. "Sack the manager?" poll on here by this time next year. Wish the board had a plan and a vision, a sense of identity instead of being reactionary lot of cnuts.

Wash, rinse, repeat.

 

[James Ward]

Please sack him, He keeps playing the same formation and tactics over and over and over and over and over and over again which is not working.

Why oh Why have we not gone for Carlo Ancelotti, a proven manager and will end the spoilt child attitude at the club.

We need a high press but the players just seem to refuse to do it.

 

[Zahed]

If our worst start in Premier League history and losing to the bottom placed team is not going to get him the sack, nothing will. No fan pressure, no board pressure - he's bullet proof!

 

[TrueRed79]

We have gained 5 points out of a possible 30 from the following fixtures:
Palace
Wolves
Everton
Watford
Sheffield
West Ham
Newcastle
Aston Villa
Southampton
Bournemouth
Loves lovely when it's typed on a forum doesn't it? How is that not a sackable offence? Woodward you absolute cretin.

 

[Alabaster Codify7]

We have gained 5 points out of a possible 30 from the following fixtures:
Palace
Wolves
Everton
Watford
Sheffield
West Ham
Newcastle
Aston Villa
Southampton
Bournemouth
Loves lovely when it's typed on a forum doesn't it? How is that not a sackable offence? Woodward you absolute cretin.

It is an excusable statistic. Moyesy would blush at that.

 

[Andersonson]

He wont get sacked. Those of you that have wishes for that are in for a long season.

Its a long term plan. Long meaning a couple of seasons.

Building a new team and culture is much more important than results this season.

Its a thin squad with alot of young players, their performance will vary alot and so will the results.

After a couple of more windows and right players coming in, we will see United again.

Im glad the board are finally looking long term.

 

[UnitedChampionsAgain]

The Watford defeat was the first time I've seen him noticeably hacked off which was actually good to see. I hope he tore them all a new one in that changing room. Has to get tough now and demand better from that shambles of a squad. No more excuses..

 

[soapythecat]

The Watford defeat was the first time I've seen him noticeably hacked off which was actually good to see. I hope he tore them all a new one in that changing room. Has to get tough now and demand better from that shambles of a squad. No more excuses..

It a shame he couldn’t have mustered some of that frustration when we were playing gash in the first half and tried to inspire them to up the tempo.
I love Ole, but he needs to up his in game management. Touch line is static.

 

[U99ted]

Can't see him beating Moyes points total in 13/14. That was 57 I think so you need a much better points total than you've managed in first half of the season just to get near to 60 points.

And those 57 were in 34 games before he was sacked. Giggs added another 7 in the remaining 4 games.

 

[hobbers]

He wont get sacked. Those of you that have wishes for that are in for a long season.

Its a long term plan. Long meaning a couple of seasons.

Building a new team and culture is much more important than results this season.

Its a thin squad with alot of young players, their performance will vary alot and so will the results.

After a couple of more windows and right players coming in, we will see United again.

Im glad the board are finally looking long term.

Building a "culture" of what? Being a game-raising mid table side? Becoming a club bereft of ambition? Defensive football? Only winning matches where we have next to no possession?

How are we going to get the right level of players in? Who of the level required is going to want to come to United at this point in time and play for Ole?

 

[Alabaster Codify7]

Building a "culture" of what? Being a game-raising mid table side? Becoming a club bereft of ambition? Defensive football? Only winning matches where we have next to no possession?

How are we going to get the right level of players in? Who of the level required is going to want to come to United at this point in time and play for Ole?

This is a big worry for me. What is this culture he's supposedly imposing? Because all we see is a bunch of sub-par players turning in sub-par performances with no consequences or accountability. We see no fight, no desire, no bravery on that football field. If this is the culture Ole is imposing, it is NOT a culture we need at this club. The players run a bit more than they did for Jose, but that is it. When the chips are down, nobody on that field does anything except go through the motions - same goes for the fecking dugout.

 

[hobbers]

This is a big worry for me. What is this culture he's supposedly imposing? Because all we see is a bunch of sub-par players turning in sub-par performances with no consequences or accountability. We see no fight, no desire, no bravery on that football field. If this is the culture Ole is imposing, it is NOT a culture we need at this club. The players run a bit more than they did for Jose, but that is it. When the chips are down, nobody on that field does anything except go through the motions - same goes for the fecking dugout.

Whenever I see the word culture in connection with anything Ole is supposedly doing I just have to role my eyes. It's the most vacuous and propagandist phrase ever used by a United manager.

What are we seeing on the pitch right now that would classify as part of a desirable culture? Because all I see is a lack of thought, lack of understanding of even the basics of football at this level, lack of commitment, lack of bottle, lack of leadership, lack of consistency. And yes some of that is due to the age of the squad. But it is all getting worse game by game, not better.

And the only way to improve on the chasm of inexperience in the squad is through signings. And we are the least attractive proposition to any established top footballer of any big club in Europe by a country fecking mile right now. And that's because absolutely no one, outside of a subset of deluded United fans, is looking at what Ole is doing and seeing anything resembling improvement or promise.

 

[MonkeysMagic]

I find it quite shocking and a tad insulting that some fans can declare on here that this season is a write off. Well, if that's the case then why doesn't the club 'write off' the remaining half of fixtures and refund the game-attending fans their season tickets? If we are being compelled to watch soporific football with 'a promise of Ole leading us to the title but not for a few years' then perhaps fans can rightly question why they need to cough up exorbitant prices.

It's a moot point but if we accept this mediocrity we are heading the same way as another fallen giant in Milan.

 

[PoTMS]

It's fecking disgusting seeing us toil and sit on our arse with a manager who ironically doesn't know his arse from his elbow while those cnuts down the M62 lift the Champions League and most likely the Premier League. No other big club would accept this. Not one. We certainly are special.

 

[FootballHQ]

And those 57 were in 34 games before he was sacked. Giggs added another 7 in the remaining 4 games.

Blimey even worse than I thought.

Despite never looking hugely convincing in either LVG season you comfortably got over 60 points in each season. When you finished 6th under Mourinho in 16/17 you got 69 points.

Think this will be your lowest points haul in the premier league era so really can't see how he'll stay on if that happens.

 

[Andycoleno9]

He is again second favourite for sacking with pretty low odds(6/1). Poch first favourite for next manager of course( 8/11). I guess bookies didn't listen Ed about our long term plan.

 

[Garethw]

It's fecking disgusting seeing us toil and sit on our arse with a manager who ironically doesn't know his arse from his elbow while those cnuts down the M62 lift the Champions League and most likely the Premier League. No other big club would accept this. Not one. We certainly are special.

You’re not a true red unless you unequivocally back the manager mate. Unfortunately this is the bollocks that a lot of fans believe.

We are totally fecked. It’s heart breaking

 

[Irwin99]

Blimey even worse than I thought.

Despite never looking hugely convincing in either LVG season you comfortably got over 60 points in each season. When you finished 6th under Mourinho in 16/17 you got 69 points.

Think this will be your lowest points haul in the premier league era so really can't see how he'll stay on if that happens.

I'm not defending him or this season but in fairness I think there might be some very peculiar points tallies this season. We're closer to top 4 now when probably most of other seasons we'd be another 6-8 points further away. 4th place might be the lowest total it's ever been this season.

 

[Nevilles.Wear.Prada]

Without penalties it’s 7%.

What? Really. Sack him. Hire me.

 

[Shark]

He wont get sacked. Those of you that have wishes for that are in for a long season.

Its a long term plan. Long meaning a couple of seasons.

Building a new team and culture is much more important than results this season.

Its a thin squad with alot of young players, their performance will vary alot and so will the results.

After a couple of more windows and right players coming in, we will see United again.

Im glad the board are finally looking long term.

This post is actually frightening to read. What has become of our fan base to actually buy into what you’ve written.

 

[trafford1980]

We're 'only' 7 points off a Champions League spot with over 1/2-a-season (20 matches) to play, and we’ve had to manage with next-to-no contribution from Paul Pogba.

I'm reasonably confident we will have a new centre-forward next month, along with either a fully-fit Pogba or an expensive replacement for him if he goes.

There's no way we get rid of Ole before the season ends, but his long-term United future depends on the next five months. Alongside the recent City and Spurs results, the fact that Arsenal, Spurs and to an extent Chelsea have been equally underwhelming has provided a stay of execution for him.

In my opinion there's zero chance Ole would still be in a job if we were 10-12 points behind all our historical Champions League rivals.

However, I do think that Ole needs to win at least a domestic cup if we’re not going to finish in the Champions League spots. Otherwise he’s gone.

 

[littleman]

This post is actually frightening to read. What has become of our fan base to actually buy into what you’ve written.

United have the largest fanbase in the world so naturally we cover people in the entire spectrum.

That losers are in the board, coaching team and players though is unacceptable.

 

[Judas]

Yep. Any loss against these two would surely render his position untenable.

Its wishful thinking. People have said this so often this season. He's in no danger.

 

[pocco]

He's not going anywhere. As fans we need to hope we miraculously assemble a team to rival prime Barcelona or treble CL winning Real Madrid, because that's the only way I think Ole will have us competing.

The most annoying thing is I've had people tell me he can't be judged until we have such a team. Everything I feared about his appointment has come to fruition, with fans backing him no matter what. The only thing that hasn't happened, which I thought would, is that nobody has turned on Woodward etc yet. I thought we'd be at melting point by now but it seems nobody wants to rock the boat with Ole in charge.

 

[VictoriaRed]

I've read a lot of dog shite on here about Ole not being good enough for the job. How about the players showing for the games like yesterday and actually doing their job? We show up for the big matches, but can't beat Watford? The effort yesterday was, "I can't be bothered' Nobody played well, De Gea's howler was, well, a feckin' howler, oh my. The boys must be more consistent, and that's not down to the manager, that's to a man, to do their feckin' jobs!

 

[Sky1981]

He's not going anywhere. As fans we need to hope we miraculously assemble a team to rival prime Barcelona or treble CL winning Real Madrid, because that's the only way I think Ole will have us competing.

The most annoying thing is I've had people tell me he can't be judged until we have such a team. Everything I feared about his appointment has come to fruition, with fans backing him no matter what. The only thing that hasn't happened, which I thought would, is that nobody has turned on Woodward etc yet. I thought we'd be at melting point by now but it seems nobody wants to rock the boat with Ole in charge.

Even if he magically has the 1999 team, he still can't make them perform better than SAF with the 1999 team.

(replace 1999 team with any other EPL winning team)

We've handicapped ourselves with an out of depth manager, who after 12 months on the job can't even create a basic template on how we want to play. Good tactics is good tactics, we can see good tactics, even if somehow it lacked personnel to actually win the match. Right now our only workable tactics is hitting teams who presses us with counterattack, something we all loathe under Jose.

I actually prefer we win 8 out of 10 and lost the 2 to the top 4, it actually shows that we're heading in the right direction and not being lucky or game raising. Losing 2-0 to Watford after a fine display against city only cements one thing "we're just lucky against City", something we can't replicate the next week against 20th position team.

 

[Paxi]

I would like to see as a new manager someone who brings a bit on energy

Looking at LVG, Mourinho and Ole, they look like are sleeping on the bench during the whole game or watching a movie on the sofa

unacceptable

In my opinion LVG had energy. He was off his seat all the time. I even seem to recall him falling to the ground when trying to prove a point to 4th official. Also he was quite a character in an of it self. Ole, like Moyes is just gormless looking. Jose was just fecking toxic. I can't believe I'm saying this but Vangle was my favourite overall manager since Sir Alex.

 

[Paxi]

I find it quite shocking and a tad insulting that some fans can declare on here that this season is a write off. Well, if that's the case then why doesn't the club 'write off' the remaining half of fixtures and refund the game-attending fans their season tickets? If we are being compelled to watch soporific football with 'a promise of Ole leading us to the title but not for a few years' then perhaps fans can rightly question why they need to cough up exorbitant prices.

It's a moot point but if we accept this mediocrity we are heading the same way as another fallen giant in Milan.

Think were pretty much there now.

 

[Cantona in disguise]

In my opinion LVG had energy. He was off his seat all the time. I even seem to recall him falling to the ground when trying to prove a point to 4th official. Also he was quite a character in an of it self. Ole, like Moyes is just gormless looking. Jose was just fecking toxic. I can't believe I'm saying this but Vangle was my favourite overall manager since Sir Alex.

One of the main criticisms LVG had thrown at him apart from the dull football was hes never off his seat. He even said something about why he doesnt leave his seat. He rarely left the dugout losing or winning. He was a character in the press conferences though.

 

[Paxi]

One of the main criticisms LVG had thrown at him apart from the dull football was hes never off his seat. He even said something about why he doesnt leave his seat. He rarely left the dugout losing or winning. He was a character in the press conferences though.

To be honest I can't remember now, except a couple of moments. It's like remembering your shit ex-girlfriend and the 'good' times that never really existed, because your new girlfriend is really your hand.

 

[Cantona in disguise]

To be honest I can't remember now, except a couple of moments. It's like remembering your shit ex-girlfriend and the 'good' times that never really existed, because your new girlfriend is really your hand.

best to block it out