Is Pogba as good as gone?

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A lot of penalties, and honestly, I like watching the player but he'd be replaced to the greater benefit of the whole team, for PL greater specialism is needed. He doesn't score enough to be relied upon as a goalscorer, doesn't get about the pitch as much as many others, he passes great from deep but that doesn't always have its uses. He is a bit of a jack of all trades to be honest, who on his day becomes unplayable, about 1 in 10.
He is by far the best player we have, how should he be replaced in the benefit of the team? If anything there’s other 10 players that should be replaced first.
 

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He is by far the best player we have, how should he be replaced in the benefit of the team? If anything there’s other 10 players that should be replaced first.
If he was playing week in week out your right, but as of the last 3-4 months he is as much use as a chocolate fire guard.
 

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Most goals: Pogba 13

Over half were penalties. He also missed a few.

Most assists: Pogba 9

For 90 million. Amazing. Where does 9 assists rank in the overall assists tally that season?

Most shots on target: Pogba 50

Shots on target. What did that get us? Any idea how many shots he had that were off target?

Most take-ons: Pogba 60

Take ons? What? What does that even mean? And what did it achieve?

Most fouls won: Pogba 69

Again, so? He was fouled a lot. He has the ball a lot.

Most chances created: Pogba 55

What's that, 1.3 per game?

Most possession won: Pogba 218

He lost possession 600 times.

https://mopays.com/2019/08/10/manchester-uniteds-paul-pogba-lost-possession-602-times-last-season/

Most passes into final 1/3: Pogba 321

And? How many led to anything? How many went out of play?

Most duels won: Pogba 234

And? 'Duels won'? Who comes up with these asinine 'stats'?
Again, they may be a lot or a few depending on what you think, but the fact that he tops the team in so many categories speaks for itself.

Should a defensive midfielder be recovering more balls easily? Shouldn’t a striker have more shots on target? Shouldn’t wingers have more take ons?

There’s a reason why top teams have interest in Pogba, for as much as people criticize him he’s quality.

Im not saying he’s the best on the world or the league, but I just can’t understand the fact he gets so much stick.

Is it because of his price tag? I dont see Martial or Maguire getting the same treatment.

The expectation on Pogba was huge, and I think he’s delivered, not overachieved but anyone thinking he by himself would carry this team is out of his mind.
 

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The point of the discussion is what he did wrong since the Watford game. People just came into conclusion but we don’t know what’s going on, we don’t know whether he’s really injured or no, all we know Ole said he’s injured. But a lot of people here said he did something wrong while being injured, like what?
To who? There can’t make many club willing to pay over £100m for him.
So wait until his contract runs out and continue to play sub par players at his position? This is about doing what’s best for the competitive success of the club if he can’t/won’t be convinced to change his stance.
 
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If he was playing week in week out your right, but as of the last 3-4 months he is as much use as a chocolate fire guard.
I agree, this seems more like a want away stunt rather than an injury, but thats another subject.
 

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He is by far the best player we have, how should he be replaced in the benefit of the team? If anything there’s other 10 players that should be replaced first.
That’s not the point. If he doesn’t want to be here there has to be an attempt to replace him with a player befitting the level we’re aspiring to. If he changes his stance great, but that’s looking more and more unlikely.
 

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He'll be fine and fit in time for Euro 2020.
It's annoying how crocked he is for us. He's a quality player when on form, but he's taking up wages with little to or nothing to show for it for us.
 

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He’s done nothing wrong. The people in charge of this


So wait until his contract runs out and continue to play sub par players at his position? This is about doing what’s best for the competitive success of the club if he can’t/won’t be convinced to change his stance.
The player has a value and given what other clubs having been getting for utter tripe I can see why the club won’t sell for less than £100m. Real paid over £100m for Hazard with only a year left on his contract.
 

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That’s not the point. If he doesn’t want to be here there has to be an attempt to replace him with a player befitting the level we’re aspiring to. If he changes his stance great, but that’s looking more and more unlikely.
I agree there’s no point in keeping a player that doesnt want to be here.

But the main argument was that Pogba was a failure here, which I disagree with.
 

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Pogba’s people never opened there mouth 3 months ago, seems like stalling tactics
 

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The player has a value and given what other clubs having been getting for utter tripe I can see why the club won’t sell for less than £100m. Real paid over £100m for Hazard with only a year left on his contract.
I'd rather have say Bruno Fernandes committed to the cause and playing on consistent basis instead of Perreira/Lingard, than Pogba playing 75 minutes since September and counting down the minutes til he can get out of here. It's not like we need to sell him at a profit to be able to afford a replacement.
 

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Fantastic player if his heart is in it but anyone deluded enough to think he wants to be at Utd needs their head examined. Noises coming from that fat feck of an agent should say it all really and he will go whether in this window or in the summer.

I thought you should have slapped the captaincy on him a year ago and see what he did but in the end the guy is a loss at Utd and you need to cash in on him and get some hungry players in for the good of the club. You could probably get him to sign for £500k a week and still have this circus around him with constant rumours so just sell the guy which will benefit both partie.
 

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Fantastic player if his heart is in it but anyone deluded enough to think he wants to be at Utd needs their head examined. Noises coming from that fat feck of an agent should say it all really and he will go whether in this window or in the summer.

I thought you should have slapped the captaincy on him a year ago and see what he did but in the end the guy is a loss at Utd and you need to cash in on him and get some hungry players in for the good of the club. You could probably get him to sign for £500k a week and still have this circus around him with constant rumours so just sell the guy which will benefit both partie.
A port vale fan with more sense than a lot of united fans on a united issue, save your breath though mate. A lot of the Pogba fans even though it’s year 4 now still expect him to come good and show his “love” for the club.
 

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Fantastic player if his heart is in it but anyone deluded enough to think he wants to be at Utd needs their head examined. Noises coming from that fat feck of an agent should say it all really and he will go whether in this window or in the summer.

I thought you should have slapped the captaincy on him a year ago and see what he did but in the end the guy is a loss at Utd and you need to cash in on him and get some hungry players in for the good of the club. You could probably get him to sign for £500k a week and still have this circus around him with constant rumours so just sell the guy which will benefit both partie.
I agree with this up until the what’s good for both parties bit, couldn’t give a flying feck about brand Pogba anymore
 

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Big part of the reason we’re failing? He’s been our best player by a mile since he came here.

Literally he’s the only player we’ve bought he can sell for a higher fee than what we bought him for.

Of course he hasn’t been the best player in the world but besides consistency I dont blame him at all for his performances, he’s been putting the numbers we expected from him I dont think its fair to put all the pressure on his shoulders just because he’s the only worldclass player on the team, specially with the failed manager we have.
Who is paying that?
 

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I think the most intresting question is: "why would Solskjaer put it like that"? It's somthing I would expect from Mourinho.
I could be wrong but personally it looks like Ole has finally washed his hands with the Pogba situation, my gut feeling is his people will want him to have the operation which will rule out any chance of him leaving until the summer. I can honestly say we are going to create next to nothing until the end of the season if that's the case.

Ideally we could move him on in this window but we all know that even if that did happen then those yankee leeches would just pocket the money and leave Ole with no replacement whilst we have no creative outlet whatsoever and drift further away from the top four.
 

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I don't even get people like this, are they fans of our club or just some players they idolise? Hopefully they go and "support" the next club of their favourite star player.
Yes, clearly I ‘idolise’ Pogba. Most normal people would leave a company that is drastically underperforming and has a CEO that is incompetent if they could. Am I wrong?
 

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Why do you care more about the player than the club?
I really don’t. All I’m saying is I understand his point of view. There’s no point keeping a player that would want to leave anyway. I have just accepted the fact that we’re not going to do well under our current ownership.
 

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Yes, clearly I ‘idolise’ Pogba. Most normal people would leave a company that is drastically underperforming and has a CEO that is incompetent if they could. Am I wrong?
Well, in that case I hope every player and staff member leaves and the club stops being a professional team for the foreseeable future. Would you agree with that or does your sympathy only apply to Pogba?
 

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Pogba was in the starting XI of the EPL, Shaw wasn’t, it seems everyone agrees Pogba is class except us.

For as much as Shaw was a steady 7 or whatever, he is an average player while Pogba has a lot of pressure under him, like I said there’s no way anyone will recognize him as a success unless the whole team plays better as if its his responsability to lift all the players around him.
Find me one person who doesn't think Pogba can be a world class player on his day. It's his days off that are worrying
 

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Well, in that case I hope every player and staff member leaves and the club stops being a professional team for the foreseeable future. Would you agree with that or does your sympathy only apply to Pogba?
Are you being obtuse on purpose? This thread is about whether or not Pogba will leave. I’m saying I can understand why he would want to.
 

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Are you being obtuse on purpose? This thread is about whether or not Pogba will leave. I’m saying I can understand why he would want to.
Yes, I am, because your take on the situation is embarrassing. Having sympathy for a player that wants to leave our club is laughable.
 

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Ed Woodward is our CEO and the Glazers own us. We won’t be winning anything big for a while. Would you not want to save your career if you were him?
I support and care deeply for Manchester United. I couldn't give two hoots for him personally and won't waste any energy in trying to empathise for his 'plight'.

And what is exactly is his 'plight'? From what I can see, he is being paid disgustingly outrageous amounts of money for doing literally nothing except bad mouth and disrespect the club I care so deeply about. (he is perpetually either crap or injured or sick)

My club owes this mercenary and fraud nothing at all. If I had my way, I'd put him into the reserve team til his contract ends in 2.5 years time.
 

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I think Pogba is injured but I didn't like the comment by Ole tonight that "His (Pogba) people think Paul should have surgery on his ankle". What do the United doctors think? Have the club not spoken to a specialist to get their opinion? I do believe Paul is gone, not on January but definitely in the summer and I am scared of who will be brought in to replace him.
 

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We’ll see in the summer when he goes, my bet is Madrid or PSG, but maybe Juve as well.
Hmm. Let's see if we see!

I think he's a mirage, and actually not that good at all. Certainly not worth more than £89m given his past 18 months of performances. Any club who paid that would be incredibly stupid.
 

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It’s pretty standard to get outside specialists to assess injuries that are anything more than straightforward. Getting other people to look at it isn’t anything untoward.
 

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It’s pretty standard to get outside specialists to assess injuries that are anything more than straightforward. Getting other people to look at it isn’t anything untoward.
An injury that requires so much attention isn't getting fixed in 3-4 weeks, as Ole has said in the post-match press conference. Pogba is either out for 2-3 more months, or something else is happening that the club doesn't want to be out in the public.
 

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I think Pogba is injured but I didn't like the comment by Ole tonight that "His (Pogba) people think Paul should have surgery on his ankle". What do the United doctors think? Have the club not spoken to a specialist to get their opinion? I do believe Paul is gone, not on January but definitely in the summer and I am scared of who will be brought in to replace him.
Are you really surprised that Pogba procures private medical expertise? Anything less than that with his body’s earning potential would be negligent.