Hating Lingard

[Pughnichi]

There was one point in time that he was at least half decent. Whilst he might not have the goals and assists to go with it he did have a brief spell where his movement and off the ball running did make things happen...perhaps not directly for himself but certainly those around him benefited.

that said, those days are long gone and he hasn’t performed now for far too long. I am absolutely in the Lingard out camp

 

[romufc]

Ole is the only person in the Lingard in camp.

A player who plays CAM for Manutd cannot even get a shot on target, an assist. This is very bleek for a player.

 

[Forevergiggs1]

Lingard himself said he was on his last warning after the snapchat story. Since then he's underperformed and is getting barely any minutes under Ole. I really think its an exit plan for Lingard, not a new contract.

I do disagree with the bolded piece though. I think he'd be a good investment for a mid to low PL team. One where he would get a run of games and get his confidence back. He's a PL player, an English international. If even for the fact he's up the home grown quota!

I was really talking about it from a Raiola POV and why he'd deal with Lingard. I really don't know how much Lingard could be sold for but it definitely wouldn't make Raiola a rich(er) man. The only reason I could think of for him to be dealing with Lingard in the first place is for him to get his foot in the English/PL players market and even though Lingard is nothing more than a little scrote he's still playing for one of the worlds top names which would give Raiola all the more exposure.

 

[Leonzo1]

"United will have a difficult time keeping Jesse Lingard with Raiola as his agent". This is one of the most depressing things I have ever read, for so many different reasons.

 

[Jippy]

"United will have a difficult time keeping Jesse Lingard with Raiola as his agent". This is one of the most depressing things I have ever read, for so many different reasons.

Where have you heard that?

 

[Tomb Bombadil]

Agree with you on Lingard, but looking at it now: Maddison's assists stats also sound very lukewarm for a league-winning or top-4 club AMF. Maybe he is not good enough for United we are building (obviously better than Lingard).

Lingard
Assists per game - 12/129 - 9.3%
Goals per game - 17/129 - 13.18%

Maddison:
Assists per game - 10/56 - 17.85%
Goals per game - 13/56 - 23.21%

To compare it to De Bruyne's stats:
Assists per game - 59/137 - 43.1%
Goals per game - 30/137 - 21.89%

Christian Eriksen
Assists per game - 66/223 - 29.59%
Goals per game - 51/223 - 22.86%

(All numbers are from https://www.transfermarkt.us/)

This comparison doesn't says a lot imo. It doesn't take into account age, real position, teammates, all the other important factors in football. De Bruyne plays for one of the best teams, is in a more offensiv position, more offensive team, his stats are from 23 to 28 when he was already a top player and he doesn't contribute so much to defense.

If you compare Eriksen at the same age:

Assists per game - 11/63 - 17.46%
Goals per game - 17/63 - 26.98%

You should buy Maddison if you think he hasn't reached his full potential + he suits us with the playing style he has. The statstics look good to me.

 

[Kostov]

Ole is the only person in the Lingard in camp.

A player who plays CAM for Manutd cannot even get a shot on target, an assist. This is very bleek for a player.

I bet @haram, @Mcking and couple of others are keeping him company.

 

[redshaw]

Problem is does Raiola get Rashford next. I'd rather get Pogba and Lingard out quickly before it gets worse. I hope it starts and ends with Lingard.

These problems are ultimately our own. Poor running of the club and trying to hold on to a player who doesn't want to stay and having conflicts with his slime ball agent. We could be heading for darker days.

 

[devilish]

Well yes. He knows he's not going to get anywhere close to what we're paying him, so he'll want the most he can possibly get. He's not going to get another contract here, Ole already said he's on his last chance and he's blown it when we needed him to step up, so good luck to him elsewhere. Hiring Raiola (if its true) signifies his intent to leave, and I suspect he's being pushed out.

Many local players were on the way out, most were pushed out of the club as well. It is said that Phil Nev cried when SAF told him it is over. None of them brought mino in though.

The reason is simple really. Mino is the nuclear form of an agent. He doesn't care about the player's history, his former club, whether he will make him burn bridges or honour the club that made the player who he is by making sure they get their due etc. All he cares about is to generate as much money to the player.

Mino also hates us and we hate him back. We never accepted the concept of super agents and he knows, that having it our way, we would drive the likes of him out of business. He also made it obvious what he thinks of us, that we are toxic and he wants all his players out of OT.

You see there's plenty of agents around. Most are more descreet and some have better contacts to the EPL then Mino. It takes a special kind of cnut for a United local player to choose mino out of all people.

I hope that this move will make people realise that there is absolutely no difference between local and foreign players. Players can be loyal and professional irrespective of nationality (same thing about being cnuts). What matters is what they produce on the pitch, not their origins or sob stories.

 

[Lynty]

Many local players were on the way out, most were pushed out of the club as well. It is said that Phil Nev cried when SAF told him it is over. None of them brought mino in though.

The reason is simple really. Mino is the nuclear form of an agent. He doesn't care about the player's history, his former club, whether he will make him burn bridges or honour the club that made the player who he is by making sure they get their due etc. All he cares about is to generate as much money to the player.

Mino also hates us and we hate him back. We never accepted the concept of super agents and he knows, that having it our way, we would drive the likes of him out of business. He also made it obvious what he thinks of us, that we are toxic and he wants all his players out of OT.

You see there's plenty of agents around. Most are more descreet and some have better contacts to the EPL then Mino. It takes a special kind of cnut for a United local player to choose mino out of all people.

I hope that this move will make people realise that there is absolutely no difference between local and foreign players. Players can be loyal and professional irrespective of nationality (same thing about being cnuts). What matters is what they produce on the pitch, not their origins or sob stories.

Still don't see the problem.

Lingard wants as much money as possible. Can you blame him? As long as he's not getting it here, who cares.

Will we miss him? No
Will we get anything for him? If we're lucky
Do we want him to sign a contract even if it was for £30k pw? Not really

 

[andycolegangstainnit]

Lingard has had a few good games, scored some memorable goals, picked up some decent wedge but didn't cost us anything. To be honest I never think about him. He's never in my team picks or on the bench. He's a good athlete and scores a worldy every 30 games (probably more these days) but he can't really control a football. Put him on ebay.

 

[devilish]

Still don't see the problem.

Lingard wants as much money as possible. Can you blame him? As long as he's not getting it here, who cares.

Will we miss him? No
Will we get anything for him? If we're lucky
Do we want him to sign a contract even if it was for £30k pw? Not really

You don't see nothing wrong with a local player hiring a ruthless agent that hates us and who want to take us to the cleaners? That's fair enough especially since the player in question had been unwatchable for more then a year and was cuddled by the club due to some sob story.

I wonder what you thought when Pogba did the same thing?

 

[future2future]

Been wondering about this... would you pay good money for Lingard if you had to fork out a massive cut to Riaola also? Im not so sure clubs will be so keen on this.

Hopefully he moves Lingard and Pogba on, no more of our players go near him, and we have no future dealings with the crook.

on the contrary I think selecting Raiola could be counter intuitive in his search for a new club. Lingard ain't going to any genuine title challenger in any of the top leagues. He could go to a decent team, but I don't see any benefit of hiring Raiola if he wishes to stay in the PL. The clubs that maybe interested in him would be put off by Raiola's shenianigans and his agent fee.He gets away with it with players like Pogba and even Halaand because the upside is so potentially high. Lingard at best is a useful player. It's one thing having to deal with a wanker agent if you have a world class or potentially world class talent, it's another thing entirely when it''s an average player.

He has a way of bringing players to clubs nobody expected: Ouasim Bouy to Juve, Sandler to City, Kishna to Lazio just to name a few. Players who didn't prove anything but he managed to transfer them anyway.

 

[Lynty]

You don't see nothing wrong with a local player hiring a ruthless agent that hates us and who want to take us to the cleaners? That's fair enough especially since the player in question had been unwatchable for more then a year and was cuddled by the club due to some sob story.

I wonder what you thought when Pogba did the same thing?

What does it matter? He'll be taking somebody else to the cleaners, not us. Good luck to him. He's not good enough for us.

Like you said, Phil Nev was pushed out. There's little loyalty on either side of a business arrangement.

 

[Andycoleno9]

Just saw ole's comment about Jesse on press conference. I am depressed now. Ole rates this guy a lot. Here is the part about Lingard:

Just in terms of one player: Jesse Lingard. He gets spoken about a lot and a lot of it is negative towards him, for a variety of reasons. What’s your view of Jesse and what’s your view of his position within your squad?

“Jesse has had his ups and downs, as I’ve spoken about before. But, let’s say the games against City and Tottenham, they’re examples of how important he can be for us in different games. Of course, we want him back scoring goals and making assists. There’s no one who runs as much as Jesse. He’s a great trigger for us in the pressing. He’s a lively and bubbly character and I don’t think you see as much on social media as you used to. He’s got his head down and working hard. I’ve known him for many years and he’s getting back to the Jesse I knew.”

 

[Fosu-Mens]

I do disagree with the bolded piece though. I think he'd be a good investment for a mid to low PL team. One where he would get a run of games and get his confidence back. He's a PL player, an English international. If even for the fact he's up the home grown quota!

There is an argument to be made that given that he has performed more at his current level compared to the short spells where he actually looked like anyone belong in the EPL, he might just not be that good and his current "out of confidence/form" is his normal level.

I would be very surprised if anyone in the EPL would want him. Most clubs have improved their assessment of players and recruitment processes since the days when Sunderland and Everton bought the likes of Gibson.

 

[horsechoker]

This reminds me of Van Gaal with Rooney who couldn't see he was on the decline. Ole can't see he's got an attacking midfielder who can't assist or score.

 

[fergiesarmy1]

This reminds me of Van Gaal with Rooney who couldn't see he was on the decline. Ole can't see he's got an attacking midfielder who can't assist or score.

Lack of options isn’t helping Ole though, hopefully that will be changing this month......

 

[devilish]

What does it matter? He'll be taking somebody else to the cleaners, not us. Good luck to him. He's not good enough for us.

Like you said, Phil Nev was pushed out. There's little loyalty on either side of a business arrangement.

You expect that a local player would leave amicably with the club getting its dues. That what happened with Phil and he didn't stole a living for nearly 2 years

 

[Amerifan]

Just saw ole's comment about Jesse on press conference. I am depressed now. Ole rates this guy a lot. Here is the part about Lingard:

Just in terms of one player: Jesse Lingard. He gets spoken about a lot and a lot of it is negative towards him, for a variety of reasons. What’s your view of Jesse and what’s your view of his position within your squad?

I assume he is talking him up to improve Lingard’s confidence in the hopes he improves before summer. If not, it doesn’t hurt to do a little advertising, either.

 

[fallengt]

You don't see nothing wrong with a local player hiring a ruthless agent that hates us and who want to take us to the cleaners? That's fair enough especially since the player in question had been unwatchable for more then a year and was cuddled by the club due to some sob story.

I wonder what you thought when Pogba did the same thing?

If lingard leaving United, I'd be fine with him hiring a hippo. It'd become his next club's problem not ours

 

[Kostov]

This reminds me of Van Gaal with Rooney who couldn't see he was on the decline. Ole can't see he's got an attacking midfielder who can't assist or score.

Please don’t mention Wayne Rooney in correlation with Jesse fecking Lingard. Even at his worst Rooney was twice the player this clown is. In addition to that he is a club legend and I personally can’t hold any grudge towards the club for keeping him longer than we should have.

 

[Zlatattack]

Lingard won't leave - nobody will buy him.

 

[billybee99]

You seem genuinely upset every time someone criticises Lingard. Are you related to him or something?

Golden_blunder is one of the original JLingz fanboys - I'm talking about the kind that goes out and buys clothes from the Jlingz Clothing Company. It's difficult for guys like him and harem and McKing and Crashoutcassius and Dante to deal with the fact that their boy is so terrible now.

 

[horsechoker]

Please don’t mention Wayne Rooney in correlation with Jesse fecking Lingard. Even at his worst Rooney was twice the player this clown is. In addition to that he is a club legend and I personally can’t hold any grudge towards the club for keeping him longer than we should have.

He wasn't quite as bad as Lingard even in his demise but he holding back the team. Rooney at least could claim to have had it at one time.

 

[Kostov]

He wasn't quite as bad as Lingard even in his demise but he holding back the team. Rooney at least could claim to have had it at one time.

Rooney was holding back shit all, years after he is gone we are still a mid table team that struggles to score 60 goals a season.

 

[stevoc]

He won't be hated. He's a local lad. Old Trafford don't turn on their own.

How local?

Unless you're a foreigner like Fellaini, then Old Trafford are a toxic pack of cnuts.

Don't think thats a fair statement, the vast majority of foreign players that have played regularly at Old Trafford over the years have never received abuse. And even Fellaini only got booed in a pre-season friendly if i remember correctly.

 

[Ryan Bobson]

I am quite happy that Lingards signed with him as I want him gone , he will realise its all down hill for him from here and he hadnt the quality of a United player in the first place

 

[NewGlory]

Just saw ole's comment about Jesse on press conference. I am depressed now. Ole rates this guy a lot. Here is the part about Lingard:

Just in terms of one player: Jesse Lingard. He gets spoken about a lot and a lot of it is negative towards him, for a variety of reasons. What’s your view of Jesse and what’s your view of his position within your squad?

Yeah,

Ole's response makes zero sense. He runs a lot and is "bubbly"? That is not a contribution from an attacking midfielder. Dude has had zero assists and zero goals, in a year! Any conversation should end right there.

I *hope*, am not sure unfortunately but hope, that this is Ole just being diplomatic and not trashing a player publicly – while he still needs him and also to make him sell-able. He would need to be blind to actually rate Jesse.

When is Lingard's contract up? If he gets a new contract then we know we are dealing with a hopelessly clueless club.

 

[Denis' cuff]

He won't be hated. He's a local lad. Old Trafford don't turn on their own.

Unless you're a foreigner like Fellaini, then Old Trafford are a toxic pack of cnuts.

Not local

He's from Warrington

 

[Nikelesh Reddy]

He’s not even been that.

He had a decent couple of seasons a while back, not even good by United standards, just decent. He took the absolute piss with that and turned himself into a marketing brand. Clothing, tv adverts, the face of Snapchat. If he’d have spent more time getting better and cementing himself as a United player he wouldn’t have one foot out of the door now.

He never had the right mentality to succeed here. He’s done exactly the same things as Depay did but he’s managed to get away with it for longer.

Under LVG we were so dire that a a half decent season really established Lingard as an important part of the squad.But I get your larger point,he’s certainly not good enough,or atleast he shouldn’t be good enough to be play for United week in,week out...

 

[Full bodied red]

How local?



Don't think thats a fair statement, the vast majority of foreign players that have played regularly at Old Trafford over the years have never received abuse. And even Fellaini only got booed in a pre-season friendly if i remember correctly.

It's crazy to think we sold Fellaini and kept Lingard....

 

[Tel074]

You've probably got the right attitude towards him but I feel differently. Whilst I wouldn't say I hate him, I dislike him in a way I don't feel about Shaw and Jones because of his social media presence, where he comes across as a proper James Blunt.

Yeah I would tend to agree a that view . His social media does make me want to punch him in the face

 

[manunited1919]

I hope Raiola finds him a new club.

I don’t think he has magical powers.

 

[hobbers]

Of course, we all know that Lingard's just on the cusp of breaking into the big fashion markets.

Probably thinks Raiola can help him make his JLINGZ fragrance a top seller.

 

[Bwuk]

Lingard must know he’s on the way out if he’s hired Raiola.

 

[HackeyC]

To hire Raiola after the comments he made last week seems a strange decision unless he is sure he is on the way out. In order to maintain current wages and based on his current poor form I can only see this being possible if he leaves on a free. That would give him a signing on bonus and a decent commission for Raiola as it won't come from any substantial transfer.

I only hope that he can get back to his previous levels over the next 18 months so that we at least get some quality output from him before he goes.

 

[Hester_manc]

Even if Lingard plans to leave United soon, it is still disappointing that he chooses Raiola to represent himself. Lingard has always been at United - since he was a kid, and he shouldn't hire someone who speaks so negatively about the club. In my eyes this is a huge mistake of Lingard. He slams the door of the club he grew up in.

 

[stevoc]

It's crazy to think we sold Fellaini and kept Lingard....

I don't know if you can say it was crazy to sell Fellaini in any context.

 

[LARulz]

He wouldn't have got Raiola if he wasn't leaving - there is literally no other reason to hire him. I've always defended Lingaard but even he must realise he cannot do better than he already has right now - he is one of the important players the manager likes, gets a very good wage and despite a lot of fan anger, it is significantly less than he'd get at a club he did not come through the system of.

If it's a contract extension he is after, he has taken a major gamble as I'm sure Ed won't be bowing to his demands