I think it's a trap personally, Pelosi will have the word of Romney, Collins and a few retiring GOP senators and it will end up a couple of votes short and be dismissed. I think Pelosi is dumb or complicit if she sends them across before assurances are in place. She should insist that the process of any impeachment in the Senate is formalised and binding before she sends these articles across.
Donald Trump - All things impeachment.... | Acquitted in the Senate
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McConnell made it clear that he doesn't give a shit if Pelosi doesn't send the articles, cause he doesn't want the procedure to happen in the first place. There have been Republican senators urging him to do a trial anyway, without the articles being sent (which most likely will make a constitutional crisis). She also would look a hypocrite delaying the articles after saying that it was imperative to go with the impeachment as soon as possible, and it was a matter of national security.
Her hands are tied. She played her best card under the created circumstances, and that card was not good enough. She doesn't have any power on how the Senate does the trial. And when she had the power on how to do the impeachment, I think that she didn't do it well enough (should have gone over the courts to force many of the subpoenas).
I disagree, I think holding onto the articles of impeachment is the best option until a fair process is agreed, voted on and binding. The longer they hold onto them the longer McConnell's complicity and hypocrisy is discussed, sure Pelosi will be criticised too by certain sections of the media but that's more than worth it because it means Trump doesn't get the "TOTAL EXONERATION" that he is so craving. He's been impeached and until there is a fair trial with all the evidence and all the witnesses then he's left to stew in the hot sun as the impeached president who did not have their named cleared in the Senate. Obviously some people think that's unjust but it's not Pelosi that is to blame for that, it's McConnell and the Trump Administration who have every opportunity to clear his name via a fair trial. Right now it's them who is stopping the process rather than her as she is simply protecting the constitution which she swore an oath to do.
Regarding going to court to force the subpoenas, that was never really an option and was exactly what Trump wanted Pelosi, Schiff and Nadler to do as they would have the courts tie it up indefinitely. Trump would have gone to his lowest court appointee who would have presided over it for months before approving the subpoenas. This would have kept the ball in Trump's court and he would have escalated it to one of his appointees in the next highest court who would have done exactly the same thing, right up to the supreme court in a year or so time. The result would have been a massively diluted impeachment process which would have been left hanging in exactly the same way only Trump would not have been impeached. Instead they proceeded with all the evidence and witnesses they had access to and it was still more than enough to impeach Trump. The subpoenas are still going through court and depending on the time frame, they will either be passed over to the senate as evidence (if permitted) or they will form the basis for new articles of impeachment surrounding the Mueller findings and the new evidence and witness testimonies they can compel from that.
In short, Democrats have done the best they can considering the flop but they know to keep checking and calling because the odds of the turn and river giving them a very strong hand is very high.
I doubt even the president of Twitter uses it that much.
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Great timing. Over to you McConnell.
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That note is hardly verifiable proof is it? I doubt the GOP will have a lot of trouble dealing with it.
Is it standard procedure for these things to be uploaded for the public to access? Otherwise it looks a bit desperate.
Is it standard procedure for these things to be uploaded for the public to access? Otherwise it looks a bit desperate.
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What the feck. So we have Giuliani and a republican donor (Hyde) who s running for Congress playing mobster to get rid of (literally) an American ambassador to benefit Trump with the help of foreign nationals-all of whom are close to him as evidenced by a plethora of photographic and other evidence? Supposedly this is also where Nunes re appears. Records released so far are nutty as hell. No wonder Trump is trying to distract. Let's see who gets thrown under the bus this time.
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Its going to be horrible when he’s finally out of office and the dust has settled and the documentaries start to roll out putting everything into digestible context and it’s recognised what a bare faced con man he is with ridiculous statements like this then put alongside the Suleiman assassination showing just what a danger he presented.
Then the question will be asked of how it was allowed to happen and why people didn’t do more to stop it? Honestly, I think the American Constitution is as responsible for it happening as it is responsible for him not quite being able to reach full blown authoritarian dictator status. Yet.
To be fair the US has been practically a dictatorship since its formation albeit a two party one. The same agenda of endless wars and overthrowing other nations governments when they become no longer useful. Washington was the only President not affiliated to a two party dictatorship.
Nothing will happen to Trump after he leaves office just like nothing happened to those chicken hawks Bush and Cheney who destroyed an entire country.
The electorate had a choice of Trump or Clinton with both being despicable human beings so the US public had one more choice than a fully fledged dictatorship.
Let's talk about what Parnas gave up
Kevin James quietly starts preparing himself for his new SNL role.
He looks closer to Bobby Moynihan.
Lindsay Graham, Devin Nunes, Gym Jordan, William Barr, Doug Collins on Trump Campaign staff inadvertently being picked up by surveillance of foreign POIs: "Criminal", "Illegal", "Unconstitutional", "Spying", "Unethical", "Deep state", "Rogue".
Lindsay Graham, Devin Nunes, Gym Jordan, William Barr, Doug Collins on Trump Administration literally spying on an American Ambassador:
And no one cares. So much worse than Watergate,or anything really. Potentially knocking off an ambassador for personal gain? Good lord.
Probably attempting to bolster an insanity defense that way for when this would come out.
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If only Chris Farley was still alive, dead on.
McConnell trying to argue again this was too rushed. 
First they complain its going to take too long under the guise of it taking away from Congress duties blah blah blah - and now they did it too fast. Fecking politics man.
First they complain its going to take too long under the guise of it taking away from Congress duties blah blah blah - and now they did it too fast. Fecking politics man.
So on the perfect phone call when he told Zelenskyj that Yovanovitch "will go through some things" it's possible that he was referring to her being murdered. Absolutely insane if true.
That is not an unreasonable suspicion to have given what Parnas revealed.
Just seen some of the transcripts for the Lev Parnas interview with Maddow. Holy shit he’s a fecking hand grenade!
First hand witness that has implicated everyone you could possibly imagine as being involved and having full knowledge of the entire operation. No wonder the Republicans have been fighting this so hard and refusing to sell Trump out, the entire party is implicated.
First hand witness that has implicated everyone you could possibly imagine as being involved and having full knowledge of the entire operation. No wonder the Republicans have been fighting this so hard and refusing to sell Trump out, the entire party is implicated.
Lev Parnas: 'President Trump Knew Exactly What Was Going On.'
There’s also a lot more to come from this interview apparently and Parnas is able to back it all up with electronic evidence.
It looks like they’re using the approach of drip dripping these damning statements to allow the inevitable denials before they release more evidence and make the denials look ridiculous, rinse and repeat.
The Republican party has been compromised.
The corrupt Motherfecker now remembers talking to him. I wish these people the worst.
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We heard Trump's own state officials (under oath I guess?) give testimony against Trump and it didn't really move the approval needle, nor did it appear to keep people from losing interest in impeachment.
Why would it be any different with Parnas?
They will never allow him to speak in the senate "trial" and in the public they will just wait out the next news cycle with their usual bullshit/misinformation/BUT HILLARY campaign.
Why would it be any different with Parnas?
They will never allow him to speak in the senate "trial" and in the public they will just wait out the next news cycle with their usual bullshit/misinformation/BUT HILLARY campaign.
Now claiming he'd never heard the name of the Ukrainian ambassador until impeachment began. Just to be clear, the Chair of the House Intelligence Committee (2015–2019) had supposedly never heard of the US ambassador to the Ukraine (2016–2019).
The Parnas interview is something else. It basically obliterates any defense Trump has at this point. It also implicates Pence, Barr, Giuliani, Nunes and others.
It won’t make any difference.
Also further undermines the GOP talking point that the Ukrainians didn't even know there was a hold on the military aid. Only saving grace for Trump is just how up to his neck Pence was in the scheme which presumably means he can count on his absolute loyalty. Parnas teasing about just how much Bolton knows too.
Agreed. If it doesn’t get Trump removed it will certainly pile more corruption into his cv before the election.
Probably not but it really should and it would if the supposedly impartial press treated the revelations with the gravity they deserve. CNN, NY Times and even WaPo who hate Trump are merely reporting what Parnas has said, none of them are making any effort to join the dots and discuss just how deep into the GOP this now appears to go. They're reporting McConnell's decision to block evidence in the Senate trial as partisan politics to protect a Republican President when really they should be exposing just how many of the Republican party are implicated as bad actors in what Trump has been impeached for and explaining to the public that the reason why McConnell is refusing to act impartially is because it will be an absolute disaster for himself, Trump, Pence, Pompeo, Mulvaney, Mnunchin, Nunes, Jordan, Barr, Bolton, McCarthy... the list goes on.
They're definitely not going to let any of this come into the Senate Trial because it's going to be broadcast around the world and in any sane democracy it would end up with a dozen or so recusing let alone resigning.
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