Ole as a DoF and you'll find him smiling and telling the sellers & buyers "It's okay if no deal this time, just enjoy your job as a negotiator".
United’s next manager
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
He does, but he’s not being mentioned here much.
Most want Poch it seems.
And don't forget the participation trophies on your way out of the negotiation room. Haha!!! Jokes apart I would not want Ole anywhere near our brains trust when his time at Utd is up.
As regards manager could we somehow tempt Conte? He seems the right mix of tactical nous, passion, wit and motivation. And he is young too. We have tried Portuguese, Dutch and Norwegian. Guardiola won't come here so the Spanish can wait. Let's go Italian this time.
Strange as JN seems one to genuinely watch.
Misinterpreted my post, but never mind.
Yeah I just got what you meant.
Most on here I think prefer Poch.
I'm not 100% sold on him and would prefer we went another option.
I'm pretty much with you in that I'm not completely sold on Poch either.
I really hope it's Poch, although I wouldn't mind Allegri or Ten Hag. I don't remember Poch pressuring Levy for signings during his time at Spurs, so I hope that changes if he becomes the manager. Jose called out the board consistently but unfortunately also threw players under the bus while doing so. Poch needs to put pressure on the board to spend. He's a manager that will be in demand so he will have leverage to negotiate and ensure he has money.
It's a bit of a dangerous thing. I know Ole doesn't have the credentials to back up his appointment, but I still think most managers would have us in this situation given the circumstances he was dealing with. If we do get a new manager, we have to make sure it is a manager who is as concerned about the long term standards and values of the club. In truth, I would love for us to hire some form of sporting director prior in order to ensure that on a squad level, we have right people to take us back to where we belong. The problem we have now is not the manager as opposed to what it was under Moyes. Van Gaal, potentially not truly studying the quality of players in the market, seeking to progress his legacy and letting his ego get the best of him, sacrificed a lot of the quality and character that we had in the club in return for mediocrity. We lost a lot of our hard working depth players and replaced them with players of similar or lesser quality with unsuitable characteristic traits. This is why, despite the fact that some of those players were of similar quality, we have not been able to get the same level of consistency or frequency of use from them. This came about as a result of hiring two quick fix superstar managers more concerned about improving their legend as opposed to steering the squad in the right direction for the long run. LVG killed the quality of the squad, Mourinho improved then purposely stagnated the quality of the squad due to his ego. A manager seeking the long term growth of his team would not publicly blast players the way he did, bring in quick fixes like Matic the way he did or attract as much negative media attention in the manner that he did.
The thing with Ole is that he has always approached the role in a selfless manner. We all know the dearth of quality he has in the squad and the indecision of the group above him. The problem we have, high compensation levels for an underperforming unproven squad comes from the lack of core values and standards that we had BEFORE Ole arrived. The real criticism I would have since his arrival is the fact that some of the deadwood that we had under Mourinho ( Shaw, Pereira, Lingard,Jones and Matic) are still frequently played members of the squad while quality replacements are only slowly coming in. It does make sense to be patient and wait for the right signings to come in rather than bringing in a school of mediocrity like LVG did. That level quality does exist in the market and should not be hard to find and sign given the resources that a monumental club like us has. Is the problem our scouting team? Is it our negotiators? Or is it negligence from the people above them ( Woodward)? What is clear is that Ole is not the problem here, and no tactics he implements would work consistently with the majority of the current set of players we have. In football it is easiest to blame the manager for poor performances, but that is what badly run organizations do. Ole's vision is clear and I agree that performances are poor, but he has to have the time to get the right people in. Given the dearth of quality he had prior to his arrival and the slow process he has to work with from our CEO, 1 and a half transfer windows may not be enough.
The thing with Ole is that he has always approached the role in a selfless manner. We all know the dearth of quality he has in the squad and the indecision of the group above him. The problem we have, high compensation levels for an underperforming unproven squad comes from the lack of core values and standards that we had BEFORE Ole arrived. The real criticism I would have since his arrival is the fact that some of the deadwood that we had under Mourinho ( Shaw, Pereira, Lingard,Jones and Matic) are still frequently played members of the squad while quality replacements are only slowly coming in. It does make sense to be patient and wait for the right signings to come in rather than bringing in a school of mediocrity like LVG did. That level quality does exist in the market and should not be hard to find and sign given the resources that a monumental club like us has. Is the problem our scouting team? Is it our negotiators? Or is it negligence from the people above them ( Woodward)? What is clear is that Ole is not the problem here, and no tactics he implements would work consistently with the majority of the current set of players we have. In football it is easiest to blame the manager for poor performances, but that is what badly run organizations do. Ole's vision is clear and I agree that performances are poor, but he has to have the time to get the right people in. Given the dearth of quality he had prior to his arrival and the slow process he has to work with from our CEO, 1 and a half transfer windows may not be enough.
Marco Rose, we need a change.
Poch will not be the right man, as I fear he will not change the team.
But again, changing the manager is not solving all the problems. We have far more problems than just Ole.
Poch will not be the right man, as I fear he will not change the team.
But again, changing the manager is not solving all the problems. We have far more problems than just Ole.
Standards are now rock bottom.
Basically, if you fail spectacularly at your job, fans are suggesting that that man be promoted; yet in any other organisation (including football/sport), that man would be fired and would never be mentioned again.
Look at the flack that Moyes gets on this forum. Nobody....nobody has ever suggested that he should be brought in as a DoF, yet Ole, who is worse that Moyes, should get a promotion.
1. Can't we find some cushy non-job to move Ole to? Make him the Director of something or other. Club ambassador maybe? It would be nice if we could find a reasonably dignified way to move him on. After all, I don't blame him for taking a job we all should of known he couldn't do.
2. Poch is our man. He went into a disorganised rabble and gave them an identity, implemented a good style of football and nurtured promising young players. Exactly what we need right now. I feel like we should keep Ole until the end of season because is the F**king point in getting rid now so we can appoint a caretaker and then restart to whole saga. At the end of the season- if we're not in the CL- get rid of Ole and move heaven and earth to bring in Poch. End of.
2. Poch is our man. He went into a disorganised rabble and gave them an identity, implemented a good style of football and nurtured promising young players. Exactly what we need right now. I feel like we should keep Ole until the end of season because is the F**king point in getting rid now so we can appoint a caretaker and then restart to whole saga. At the end of the season- if we're not in the CL- get rid of Ole and move heaven and earth to bring in Poch. End of.
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Ambassador is a good idea. Making him DOF is something I'll never understand as having a manager who has just been sacked overseeing his successor isn't a great idea. Plus I think the DOF role is more than just finding players to sign, getting those deals over the line is part of the job too I believe.
If we're going to bring someone in it needs to be now, not the end of the season.
If we do it at the end of the season we risk the "Wanting to see who fits and who doesn't line" and end up with Lingard et al for another year. Also gives him the remainder of this year to start getting his ideas across rather than just the summer.
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Would much rather this be the case than the bollocks from Neil Custis earlier about the club claiming Ole is currently under no pressure at the moment and they would be open to giving him a lot more time
I'd be open to giving Ole a lot more time, but if the club are actually plotting to replace him in the summer, it's stupidity to wait until then when they could do it now.
Depends if the no-compete clause form his sacking is true or not.
Oles newest presser comments are worrying in the extreme.
Running players into the ground and causing injuries is now making them mentally more robust.
Ten days to go in a transfer window, key players missing for long periods, a stacked calendar with crucial CL qualification at stake and now isn’t the time to talk about recruitment?
We need
a) a manager with a vision, a plan, some semblance of a notion of how to manage player fitness and the squad in general.
b) a manager who has enough clout to make certain demands of those in power and get the players in that are needed to improve the quality of the first team.
He is actually doing harm to the clubs young players now which could, in turn, hurt their careers with repetitive muscle injuries and loss of mobility.
It needs to be stopped sooner rather than later. I can’t understand how listening to some of the things he says doesn’t make it obvious that he is doing more harm than good.
Running players into the ground and causing injuries is now making them mentally more robust.
Ten days to go in a transfer window, key players missing for long periods, a stacked calendar with crucial CL qualification at stake and now isn’t the time to talk about recruitment?
We need
a) a manager with a vision, a plan, some semblance of a notion of how to manage player fitness and the squad in general.
b) a manager who has enough clout to make certain demands of those in power and get the players in that are needed to improve the quality of the first team.
He is actually doing harm to the clubs young players now which could, in turn, hurt their careers with repetitive muscle injuries and loss of mobility.
It needs to be stopped sooner rather than later. I can’t understand how listening to some of the things he says doesn’t make it obvious that he is doing more harm than good.
I completely see Poch coming in with Ole moving upstairs as an intermediary between Woodward and the Manager. Wouldn't be the worst idea as Ole seems to be able to identify the right players moving forward, in terms of young, hungry and passionate.
But at the same time, I feel Ole has put all his eggs into one basket, with the staff he has built behind him, staying as manager and maybe wouldn't take well to the change.
This is absolutely essential. Not just clout though. While Woodward is calling the shots, the manager needs tact also. A repeat of Jose will get us nowhere.
Ideally the manager would be able to bring Woodward into line while making the latter believe he’s still in charge.
I really don't see Poch being this person; he seems too emotional. Allegri maybe? He had Berlusconi to contend with after all.
Yeah, you’re right, clout was a bad choice of word. I meant enough reputation to garner the respect required to make demands and have the board want to placate him.
You are right about tact too, it needs someone who can skillfully play that game. Poch would certainly do well to get certain guarantees before coming in, but you are right in saying that it could become emotional pretty quickly once the next window opens or initial promises aren’t kept.
I really think it is time to approach Poch for the summer and give him everything he wants.
Yes I realise he hasn't won anything yet but he has proved at Spurs he can coach players properly and improve them.
My only worry with him is his results in the big games at Spurs and apparently doesn't enjoy working with a DOF either.
I was hoping that a DOF would appoint our next manager but think we all know it will be that damn Toy Story puppet again.
Yes I realise he hasn't won anything yet but he has proved at Spurs he can coach players properly and improve them.
My only worry with him is his results in the big games at Spurs and apparently doesn't enjoy working with a DOF either.
I was hoping that a DOF would appoint our next manager but think we all know it will be that damn Toy Story puppet again.
Paul Hirst: If Solskjaer fails to deliver after a number of new signings are made, United will look to appoint a new manager. Mauricio Pochettino, who was sacked by Tottenham Hotspur in November, would feature on their shortlist, as could Gareth Southgate, who is presently in charge of England. Julian Nagelsmann of RB Leipzig and Paris Saint-Germain manager Thomas Tuchel are admired by members of the United hierarchy too.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...ds-full-support-despite-woeful-form-lgb69mr6k
I seriously hope we stay away from Southgate. Nagelsmann would be my first choice.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...ds-full-support-despite-woeful-form-lgb69mr6k
I seriously hope we stay away from Southgate. Nagelsmann would be my first choice.
Why are we waiting for him to fail. He’s already failed.
Ancelotti should have been Fergie’s successor. Perfect three year bridge to the future.
We need him to fail over three years just to be certain.
fecking hell imagine Southgate next. I feel sick just thinking about it. The meltdown on here would be epic though.
Southgate would be a fool to give up the England gig. England has a good crop of players and United are a mess.
I don't like these full control on transfers talks, we did that with all our previous managers and they wasted the clubs money by making sideway moves just because they wanted their guys.
Cannot believe a retread manager from the Dippers is on there as if that would ever happen but they don't even have Nuno listed. I know Poch is the obvious name and Nagelsman is sexy now that Klopp has made German managers the flavor of the month but what Nuno has done at Wolves in the last 3 years is seriously impressive. He is tactically astute, develops his players, demands high standards and is passionate about his work. I wouldn't look at anyone else unless he gave me a firm no.
Sounds like it is going to be a very long time until we are talking about Utd's next manager. The only way that Ole gets sacked is if this briefed rebuild with "his players" doesn't work out.
By that time you will probably find that the talented coaches like Poch, Nagelsmann, Ten Haag will have gone elsewhere.
Massive massive yes to this man, his work from Hoffenheim was nothing short of sensational even from a young age that he started from. He's continued his work at Leipzig and I think this season they will win the Bundesliga, his style of football is so modernized. Basically he's the next Jurgen Klopp, my fear is that Liverpool will take him even Klopp leaves and feck me If that happens we are fecked.....
Marco Rose another serious candidate too in my eyes too, would love to take a chance on him also
This is the problem..
I think Joel or Avram are gonna make the decision for the board come the end of the season.
If any this sort of still has support leaks means the end is coming.
This sort of leak is always the calm before the storm. The last rite.
This sort of leak is always the calm before the storm. The last rite.
Pocb seems too simple, too safe....think United should really take a look around instead of just going for the biggest name available.
I just find this whole managerial merry-go-round so tiring now.
Surprised the revolving door hasn't flown off its hinges from the amount of use its had after SAF retired.
Managers,coaches,players,scouts have come and gone. Its really amazing how incompetent and negligent the club has got since the great man left.
Just mistake after mistake after mistake.
Still,I'm thankful that fans are still optimistic that the next one could be the guy to get us back on track because I'm feeling absolute pessimism towards the club of late.
And seriously Southgate ? Feck that.
Surprised the revolving door hasn't flown off its hinges from the amount of use its had after SAF retired.
Managers,coaches,players,scouts have come and gone. Its really amazing how incompetent and negligent the club has got since the great man left.
Just mistake after mistake after mistake.
Still,I'm thankful that fans are still optimistic that the next one could be the guy to get us back on track because I'm feeling absolute pessimism towards the club of late.
And seriously Southgate ? Feck that.