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Sat, 01 February 2020

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Even without Bruno, we already knew our football had no real structure. We play like the team has been assembled a week ago which makes what you said valid. It's easier to start for a team with zero planning during the season
I often say to my mate that we look like a team assembled in the pub an hour before kick off. Solskjaer has done feck all to change that.
 

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Passing looked a bit crisper for first few minutes and then reverted to type. Bruno fitted right in with his first corner and first freekick - both going straight to Wolves players! Yet again we barely troubled their keeper and once again I am left asking what is the point of martial: no movement off the ball, looks about as like an out-and-out goalscorer as I look like a male supermodel. he was awful and fell over even when not fouled. just why did ole keep him on? positives: i thought the defence looked better: shaw was good (at defending if not at going forward; same could be said of AWB) as was lindelof. bruno had some good moments but in the end we never really looked like scoring. once again Plan A fails against a side that doesn't attack us but remains steady and in shape. Managers and coaches had no idea what to do when that fails - as it so often has
 

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For example when you look at City lineup, only Aguero and David Silva are the only that have been since he took over.

And Henderson and Firminho? Only two players before Klopp took over.

Last summer United still had Smalling, Jones, De Gea, Young, Lingard and Valencia just left, all those were squad players Except De Gea under SAF 7 years ago! How can United be a top club again if owners and board are just happy about that! Or last good right winger was Nani, he left 5 or 6 years ago. Are fans really surprised we so shit ? Ed and the board love to over pay every players aswell since SAF and Gill left.

Ole or next managers needs 2-4 years to build something. Even longer if it’s impossible to buy more than one quality player in each window.
As has repeatedly been said, while every manager needs time to meet the eventual objectives in terms of results and the team the club wants to see put together, that doesn't mean a manager doesn't to prove himself to be good enough until said time is completed. It's an ongoing process wherein you have to prove yourself worthy of bei afforded that time. It's why we didn't actually give David Moyes 7 years. And precisely why Ole doesn't deserve more than 1.5. And why Pep, Klopp, *any other quality manager* is given longer.

It's similar with players really. You give Greenwood time but not Chong/Keiran Richardson because one's potential and talent is evident and others is not. What you don't do is say "well it takes 2-3 years of first team experience to become a quality footballer at this level so let's give this bang average player lots of time as we afforded Paul Scholes and co, and THEN see where we're at". No, every organisation and intelligent individual judges on a real time basis rather than having some arbitrary lock in period in which they bury their head in the sands.
 

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Imagine we have to play them in the EL again :houllier:
Please no. Their fans are honestly the worst. If I have to hear that Mourinho’s right, your fans are shite chant, in that horrific brummie accent, one more time.

Plus their brand of football is terrible. Must be how City and Liverpool feel when they play us.
 

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Please no. Their fans are honestly the worst. If I have to hear that Mourinho’s right, your fans are shite chant, in that horrific brummie accent, one more time.

Plus their brand of football is terrible. Must be how City and Liverpool feel when they play us.
The worst chant is "Your not famous anymore"...... It's like the fans are 12-year-olds. Wolves are definitely our bogey side now.
 

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Despite this being an indisputable fact, so many of our fanbase either don't get it or refuse to accept it. After the summer window, we all knew this season would be difficult, inconsistent and frustrating. And yet when that happens, some of our fans embarrass themselves with toys out of the pram. Its very frustrating.

The "Manchester United' we knew was wasted away by Moyes, LVG and Mourinho. We aren't that club anymore, it has to be rebuild and that will take as long if not more time than it took SAF all those years ago.

OGS may not be the right man, but I can't see anyone else coming in and magically compete at the 90point level required to win this league right now.
I do agree with part of that but not wholly.
On the plus side, he has moved on most (but not all) the so called dead wood.
And his transfer policy seems sensible apart from the awful striker shortage.

But. His primary limitation is in his tactical capacity.
He may well understand where things are not working. But he seems incapable of making the necessary changes to rectify them.

His in game management is not good enough and like many, I am really concerned with the standard of coaching.

So. The question is whether he is going to improve United sufficiently to make us competitive again.
Or is this going to be our level.
 

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On reflection given the injuries, we did ok. My issue remains I have no clue what our pattern of play is? I watch other teams and I know how the play even with players out but us.....seems a bit freestyle and therefore disjointed
 

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Absolutely no goals in that front three. Daniel James doesn't have the ability to score goals. Martial couldn't be arsed if he scores a goal or not, and Mata is completely past it!

Our frontline is still nowhere near good enough.
 

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So tired of reading this shit. Go follow Liverpol then ffs. Why should i have to read your whining?
Tought game vs a team that has had 10 days of. Meanwhile we have had our hands full. And people are throwing the team under the bus. Get out.
Yes it’s a bit rich coming from someone like me who no longer goes to games but the match going fans are the front line, there needs to be a unified response to the shit way the club is being run but it seems that the apathy has really taken hold and Although I hate to use them cnuts as an example I really don’t think it would happen at somewhere like Anfield or the London stadium or St James’ park I think their reaction to what appears to me as a really poorly run club would be a lot more vociferous than what we get at Old Trafford, I think maybe the fans are divided, I admit I had reservations about the talk of walking out on the 58th minute, it didn’t seem right to me.

I’m not throwing the team or Ole under the bus, we’re down to the bare bones, I get why you can’t pull out an exiting performance, that’s not what I was referring to but the way the team is playing with the players we have, some of whom are dead on their feet is down to the poor way this club is being run in my opinion and that’s the crux here isn’t it, it’s just my opinion so no, you don’t have to read my “whining” and no I won’t “get out” whatever the feck that means.
 

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As others have said, this is an interesting point. Now it makes me wonder how long did it take for Larsson to start when we picked him up on loan back in 2007?
It was a week between his loan being finalized and him making his debut... and as a forward, compared to Bruno at center-mid.
 

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I do agree with part of that but not wholly.
On the plus side, he has moved on most (but not all) the so called dead wood.
And his transfer policy seems sensible apart from the awful striker shortage.

But. His primary limitation is in his tactical capacity.
He may well understand where things are not working. But he seems incapable of making the necessary changes to rectify them.

His in game management is not good enough and like many, I am really concerned with the standard of coaching.

So. The question is whether he is going to improve United sufficiently to make us competitive again.
Or is this going to be our level.
I think most fans accept a rebuild is required, OGS is just the wrong man to do it. Don’t understand why it’s even a debate, only won in Norway, and sacked for almost getting Cardiff relegated twice in a row. His coaching/game management is next to non-existent. We can slag off the quality of the team all we want, but there are better managers available who will get more out of these players.
 

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I think most fans accept a rebuild is required, OGS is just the wrong man to do it. Don’t understand why it’s even a debate, only won in Norway, and sacked for almost getting Cardiff relegated twice in a row. His coaching/game management is next to non-existent. We can slag off the quality of the team all we want, but there are better managers available who will get more out of these players.
Yes. Completely agree.
To my mind, missing out on Pochettino is as bad as missing out on Jose when Sir Alex retired.
 

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I think most fans accept a rebuild is required, OGS is just the wrong man to do it. Don’t understand why it’s even a debate, only won in Norway, and sacked for almost getting Cardiff relegated twice in a row. His coaching/game management is next to non-existent. We can slag off the quality of the team all we want, but there are better managers available who will get more out of these players.
I still think it will be Poch in the summer.
 

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Please no. Their fans are honestly the worst. If I have to hear that Mourinho’s right, your fans are shite chant, in that horrific brummie accent, one more time.

Plus their brand of football is terrible. Must be how City and Liverpool feel when they play us.
I'm tired of the commentators regurgitating the same lines when it comes to Wolves too. fecking hate them
 

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Wow a whole thread of football geniuses saying Ole is shit without saying why. :lol:
Do people SERIOUSLY have to explain why?

His game management is rubbish.

Most of the time he sits on the bench looking clueless while most managers stand up for most of the game encouraging their players and making tactical changes.

Our style of play is awful. To be fair, that has been the case for most of Post-Fergie era. It is clear though that Ole isn't doing anything to change that.

His transfer policy is better than LVG and Mourinho's, but Ole has left us short of strikers upfront.
 

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I still think it will be Poch in the summer.
What will he do different? He had exactly the same problems with Tottenham.

i don’t understand some of the posts in this thread. We had more passes in their final third than they had all game. What more is a manager supposed to do than set the team up like that? That is the point where it is over to the players. There where severely lack of movement up front, but I’m sure they are extremely tired after two month’s of playing two or three games every week. There is no time to do training, and you you can’t change anything from the bench.
I mean, what sub would change anything?
Pretty hopeless situation for both managing and squad..

would love to see Poch turn a footballer out of pereira other Lingard. But it is never going to happen.
 

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Do people SERIOUSLY have to explain why?

His game management is rubbish.

Most of the time he sits on the bench looking clueless while most managers stand up for most of the game encouraging their players and making tactical changes.

Our style of play is awful. To be fair, that has been the case for most of Post-Fergie era. It is clear though that Ole isn't doing anything to change that.

His transfer policy is better than LVG and Mourinho's, but Ole has left us short of strikers upfront.
we need to change from being a counter attacking side. Fernandes could be the missing link when all the players are back from injury. I really have hope in winning the Europa League when we get McTominay and Pogba back and hope Ighalo knocks in the goals for us.
 

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What will he do different? He had exactly the same problems with Tottenham.

i don’t understand some of the posts in this thread. We had more passes in their final third than they had all game. What more is a manager supposed to do than set the team up like that? That is the point where it is over to the players. There where severely lack of movement up front, but I’m sure they are extremely tired after two month’s of playing two or three games every week. There is no time to do training, and you you can’t change anything from the bench.
I mean, what sub would change anything?
Pretty hopeless situation for both managing and squad..

would love to see Poch turn a footballer out of pereira other Lingard. But it is never going to happen.
It's also the managers job to MOTOVATE. We can all see there is not enough movement from the forwards, so it is up to him to change that on the training ground and oversee the coaching.
 

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I often say to my mate that we look like a team assembled in the pub an hour before kick off. Solskjaer has done feck all to change that.
Yet we beat City twice this year who have the best coach in the world? We also are the only team to take points of Liverpool who have the greatest coach to ever grace the game?

Im glad our board have a deeper understanding of football than some of the posters on here.
 

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The quality of football between us and Wolves was pretty scary. They are only a couple of signings from being a top 3 team. 60% of their team would walk into our team, that's how far we have fallen....
You've got to be kidding? They did nothing, again. We are at the same level with 3 of our best players missing.
 

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For example when you look at City lineup, only Aguero and David Silva are the only that have been since he took over.

And Henderson and Firminho? Only two players before Klopp took over.

Last summer United still had Smalling, Jones, De Gea, Young, Lingard and Valencia just left, all those were squad players Except De Gea under SAF 7 years ago! How can United be a top club again if owners and board are just happy about that! Or last good right winger was Nani, he left 5 or 6 years ago. Are fans really surprised we so shit ? Ed and the board love to over pay every players aswell since SAF and Gill left.
You know pep inherited Sterling and De Bruyne as well as Silva and Aguero don't you?
 

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It's also the managers job to MOTOVATE. We can all see there is not enough movement from the forwards, so it is up to him to change that on the training ground and oversee the coaching.
Why couldnt Pep MOTIVATE Joe Hart to be able to play the ball out from the back?? Why did he go out and buy 2 goal keepers to replace him? He id the greatest coach in the world after all?

Or maybe players do have a ceiling and you actually need good recruitment to improve a team, something this club has not had for 15 years. You cant blame Ole for thst.
 

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You could give Ole 20 years.

We'd still sit in the same boat we sit in now.

Time isn't given. It's earned.

Sheffield United are above us.
And Spurs and Arsenal are both below us would you have expected that at the start of the season when Lukaku Sanchez and Herrera left with no replacements brought in ?
Give the man time all his guys have been good when was the last time you could say that about a United manager ?
 

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What will he do different? He had exactly the same problems with Tottenham.

i don’t understand some of the posts in this thread. We had more passes in their final third than they had all game. What more is a manager supposed to do than set the team up like that? That is the point where it is over to the players. There where severely lack of movement up front, but I’m sure they are extremely tired after two month’s of playing two or three games every week. There is no time to do training, and you you can’t change anything from the bench.
I mean, what sub would change anything?
Pretty hopeless situation for both managing and squad..

would love to see Poch turn a footballer out of pereira other Lingard. But it is never going to happen.
This is how I feel about things tbh....
 

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Yet we beat City twice this year who have the best coach in the world? We also are the only team to take points of Liverpool who have the greatest coach to ever grace the game?

Im glad our board have a deeper understanding of football than some of the posters on here.
Yes we beat City twice this year, once which was irrelevant since they destroyed us at Old Trafford in the first leg. We also got humiliated by the likes of Burnley and can't score a goal most of the games.

Don't forget Liverpool even at their darkest times, love a game raising performance against us, we have reversed roles now. It's a sad state of affairs that some fans like you enjoy small time victories and stopping Liverpool from winning once in a year, this club deserves better fans.
 

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Why couldnt Pep MOTIVATE Joe Hart to be able to play the ball out from the back?? Why did he go out and buy 2 goal keepers to replace him? He id the greatest coach in the world after all?

Or maybe players do have a ceiling and you actually need good recruitment to improve a team, something this club has not had for 15 years. You cant blame Ole for thst.
Ole can blamed for stuff like making 2 subs at the 87th min in a must win game. He cannot be blamed for certain things but there are more enough things that he's responsible for
 

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I do agree with part of that but not wholly.
On the plus side, he has moved on most (but not all) the so called dead wood.
And his transfer policy seems sensible apart from the awful striker shortage.

But. His primary limitation is in his tactical capacity.
He may well understand where things are not working. But he seems incapable of making the necessary changes to rectify them.

His in game management is not good enough and like many, I am really concerned with the standard of coaching.

So. The question is whether he is going to improve United sufficiently to make us competitive again.
Or is this going to be our level.
Yes. I’m also sure the likes of McClaren and Quirez under SAF’s guidance are light years ahead of Carrick and co.
 

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It's also the managers job to MOTOVATE. We can all see there is not enough movement from the forwards, so it is up to him to change that on the training ground and oversee the coaching.
Training ground? We haven’t had a proper training session for months. My opinion he has done a top job motivating. Players have given their all. And I’m pretty sure after seeing how Ole reacted to Lingard they have intructions. The thing managers usually say, get it together or you won’t play. Can’t do that, can he? Ffs, we are so skin we are actually missing Matic.
 

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And Spurs and Arsenal are both below us would you have expected that at the start of the season when Lukaku Sanchez and Herrera left with no replacements brought in ?
Give the man time all his guys have been good when was the last time you could say that about a United manager ?
Maguire is beginning to look good, AWB can defend, but not attack, going against the United mould of FB and James looks like he has been found out and should be an impact sub. So jury still out. They didn't want Fernandes and now decide to buy him.
 

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Wow a whole thread of football geniuses saying Ole is shit without saying why. :lol:
You need other people to tell you why Ole is shit? Isn't it obvious?

Let me keep it simple for you... He is not good at anything. Good enough reason for you?
 

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Yes it’s a bit rich coming from someone like me who no longer goes to games but the match going fans are the front line, there needs to be a unified response to the shit way the club is being run but it seems that the apathy has really taken hold and Although I hate to use them cnuts as an example I really don’t think it would happen at somewhere like Anfield or the London stadium or St James’ park I think their reaction to what appears to me as a really poorly run club would be a lot more vociferous than what we get at Old Trafford, I think maybe the fans are divided, I admit I had reservations about the talk of walking out on the 58th minute, it didn’t seem right to me.

I’m not throwing the team or Ole under the bus, we’re down to the bare bones, I get why you can’t pull out an exiting performance, that’s not what I was referring to but the way the team is playing with the players we have, some of whom are dead on their feet is down to the poor way this club is being run in my opinion and that’s the crux here isn’t it, it’s just my opinion so no, you don’t have to read my “whining” and no I won’t “get out” whatever the feck that means.
I think this reflects where we are currently. All this Ole in and out shite is a bit too playground for my liking. As ever, it’s far more nuanced than a lot of the posts lately are making it out to be. I’d love it if people thought first before posting “we’re shite” or “worst club in the league “, “pub team”, “banter FC” etc. It’s all hyperbolic nonsense.

As you say above, we are currently down to the bare bones. There are all sorts of reasons/excuses for that which may or may not be Ole’s fault. It’s probably a combination of things. Who the feck knows? What I do know is that Poch, Ole, Klopp or whoever would struggle to change things up with the bench we’ve currently got. Greenwood was carrying a knock from the last game and nobody else is really good enough (or they’d probably have started). It just smacks of rearranging chairs on the deck of the Titanic at the moment.

I hope that Rashford, McT, Pogba....even Matic and Tuanzebe are back soon to bolster the ranks as we need that extra drive and quality in there. We miss them badly. I’m sure that’ll make a big difference. Until then we’ve got to ride this out.

One thing I would say is that the media (e.g. dicks like Redknapp and others) are desperate to regurgitate that message that we are shite, worst United team ever, awful, unable to break down a deep lying defensive team (despite the fact that most teams struggle with that...particularly when they don’t have an out and out striker on the pitch, just like we don’t at the moment.) Don’t buy into it. They want to kick us while we’re struggling to get any consistency and paint us as crap. We should close ranks to a large degree, this season at least.

Anyway, tldr aside, we need to see how “clueless” Ole is when everyone is back fit and firing. Until then, we are going to be treading water without proper reinforcements. We certainly aren’t shite though and that shouldn’t be coming from our own fans in my view.
 

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Training ground? We haven’t had a proper training session for months. My opinion he has done a top job motivating. Players have given their all. And I’m pretty sure after seeing how Ole reacted to Lingard they have intructions. The thing managers usually say, get it together or you won’t play. Can’t do that, can he? Ffs, we are so skin we are actually missing Matic.
You can have Pogba, Fernandes and Fred in the middle or whoever you think is best 3 but if you get no movement from your forwards you won't get any result. It's the managers job to sort this out, even with who he has. We just need more movement from them.
 

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Absolutely no goals in that front three. Daniel James doesn't have the ability to score goals. Martial couldn't be arsed if he scores a goal or not, and Mata is completely past it!

Our frontline is still nowhere near good enough.
This is basically true....so gutted about Haaland but what can you do...!?
 

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