Unpopular opinion - Daniel James is not very good

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Him reading this thread doesnt change the facts. A defensive winger will never be good enough as a starter. The kid cant dribble. Is technically worse than lingard. What exactly is there to develop? I like him him as a tactical starter/sub but thats where it ends. I dont mind him in games were we play on the counter or are trying to protect a lead. Those are like 5% of our games yet he has started more than 60% of them. I dont blame him and neither should we but we can argue that he is not quality enough to start which most have echoed on here.
Nah Lingard is worse. At least James is very fast and has shown he can be lethal in front of goal. Lingard isn’t fast, very average finisher and passer which means he is useless as a 10.
James is also 5 years younger. Give the kid a rest. He has been shifted from left to right and back and we have relied to him way to much. Every young player will have bad patches when they first get into the top.
 

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There is not much difference between James and Lingard in level. There is a difference in what they are good at, but otherwise James is very similar to Lingard
I’d have James play under a proper manager before giving him a verdict. He looked bright when he came in.

If we hire a good manager and coaching team that can improve his raw ability.

Under Ole he has no chance.
 

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What’s that got to do with his performances and ability?
yeah, obviously your dad dying unexpectedly when you're 22, and just about to sign for the biggest club in the world and completely uproot your entire life, has absolutely no impact on your life, performances, morale or stability.

you absolute gowl
 

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This is on Ole. Big time.

Our RW coverage is Daniel James and Mason Greenwood. One is a Championship player with only one professional season behind him, and the other is an incomplete starlet from the academy with almost no professional experience.

You reap what you sow. I don't blame James. It's not fair on him that he should come in and immediately play in the first team, and also start in most other games. He's completely exposed at this level and hasn't been given any transitional period to adjust to a much higher level of competition.
 

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yeah, obviously your dad dying unexpectedly when you're 22, and just about to sign for the biggest club in the world and completely uproot your entire life, has absolutely no impact on your life, performances, morale or stability.

you absolute gowl
Did we stop for a moment and not criticise Ronaldo for making that poor choice of pass because his Dad passed?

Did we say wait.. don’t sack Mourinho. His Dad just died?

I’m not trying to stop morality and thanks for the comment ;) but let’s try and keep it about performance. Life’s not fair sometimes.. some people on here probably lost a close loved one very recently but also don’t have James finances. Should Daniel James feel sorry for them?
 

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In his defence he was bought to be a squad player and not someone who starts every game. That being said, do I think he is very limited? Yes i do. Think his ceiling is a prime Walcott.
Think his ceiling would be a Pedro.
Can any one remember the last time he took a shot?
Against City? In the league. Straight at the keeper.
This is on Ole. Big time.

Our RW coverage is Daniel James and Mason Greenwood. One is a Championship player with only one professional season behind him, and the other is an incomplete starlet from the academy with almost no professional experience.

You reap what you sow. I don't blame James. It's not fair on him that he should come in and immediately play in the first team, and also start in most other games. He's completely exposed at this level and hasn't been given any transitional period to adjust to a much higher level of competition.
I don’t blame James but I always knew this season was a transition season. Offload, add two young English guys as starters and offload more then buy in January and Summer. Two or one at a time. One more year of that and the squad could be completely stronger at the end with a young core. Then I thought it would be go for a marquee or great up and coming manager unless Ole made us gallop again.
 

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He looks tired. As do all of the players - this season has been intense and I'm glad we're getting a break. People blaming Ole for this are wrong imo. Yes, he sold or loaned a lot of players and wasn't able to replace all of them but he's trying to change the culture of the squad and it's a short term pain for a long term gain. Another couple of transfers and things will start to look rosier. We're not that far away. Again, just my opinion.
 

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It will be intersting to see how our wide players, including Daniel James, play when we have a striker who actually gets into the box to compete for crosses. Hopefully Ighalo will do just that, and it wouldn't surprise me if all of our wide players, and our offensive play generally, start to look a bit better as a result.
 

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He looks tired. As do all of the players - this season has been intense and I'm glad we're getting a break. People blaming Ole for this are wrong imo. Yes, he sold or loaned a lot of players and wasn't able to replace all of them but he's trying to change the culture of the squad and it's a short term pain for a long term gain. Another couple of transfers and things will start to look rosier. We're not that far away. Again, just my opinion.
I agree. The clear out was needed, anti Ole posters will use it as a stick to beat him but he got rid of dead wood that most here wanted gone for a long while.

Im chuffed with the Bruno signing as it gives us a bit of a head start in the summer window where I really hope we spend big on the remaining weak points in the squad.
That coupled with Pogba staying would see us looking a different side.

Not many here will want to wait for that potential outcome however.
 

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He looks tired. As do all of the players - this season has been intense and I'm glad we're getting a break. People blaming Ole for this are wrong imo. Yes, he sold or loaned a lot of players and wasn't able to replace all of them but he's trying to change the culture of the squad and it's a short term pain for a long term gain. Another couple of transfers and things will start to look rosier. We're not that far away. Again, just my opinion.
What culture has he changed? A culture of having a lower age? Or breaking records of bad results?

We're not that far away. It's our worst showing at this stage of the season post SAF. Worse than Moyes. Do you some of you even realise how terrible Ole has been?
 

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What culture has he changed? A culture of having a lower age? Or breaking records of bad results?

We're not that far away. It's our worst showing at this stage of the season post SAF. Worse than Moyes. Do you some of you even realise how terrible Ole has been?
Sure Ole hasn't done very well, but you have to take the squads each manager inherited into consideration when judging them surely. Moyes inhereted champions, a stable club with a dressing room full of the right personalities. Ole inhereted a shambles of a squad and a club.

Hes turning over the squad nicely I think, and while he probably isn't the man to take us where we need to be long term I like what he's doing in terms of squad building for the moment.
 

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I am going to refrain from judgment on all these players until we get a proper coach in. I think James would be lethal in a Klopp side, for example.

No one ever thought Salah or Mane would be nearly as good as they've become.
 

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People are seriously mourning 15m we’ve wasted on him?

He has provided us 9 goals so far (scored 3, assists 6) and it’s only midway through the season, and this is his first season here and in Premierleague too. What more do people expect?
 

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Amazing how people have 0 patience these days, Fred was written off before half the season and now he looks like our best midfielder. And Fred was experienced player in his prime. James is playing his second professional season and first in PL, already written off as not good enough,
 

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Needs to work on his physique. He is being pushed around a lot in games. Needs to learn how to to dribble. His pace game has been found out. Players like him can be a real worry for the opposition once they consistently beat the first man. Then it's a double marking job on them and leaves more room for other forwards to work with. I hope James can learn still. Let's see how the next season under a new manager goes for him.
 

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Needs to work on his physique. He is being pushed around a lot in games. Needs to learn how to to dribble. His pace game has been found out. Players like him can be a real worry for the opposition once they consistently beat the first man. Then it's a double marking job on them and leaves more room for other forwards to work with. I hope James can learn still. Let's see how the next season under a new manager goes for him.
Absolutely agree there are parts of his game that can improve but that's true of most players. He is very young and has been overplayed this season. Not sure about his pace game being found out, we all knew about his pace before he signed, he's just suffering a very natural dip in form, while the team around him dips as well. And if other forwards don't move and stretch defences enough he will fail to find the spaces he needs to run into. Not his fault, it's a team game.

I think the 15 million spent on him was an absolute bargain, he will only improve. He has more PL assists than anyone else in your team and has shown he can score as well. What more could you ask for from a 22 year old signed from the Championship. I still think he was one of the buys of the summer.
 

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Absolutely agree there are parts of his game that can improve but that's true of most players. He is very young and has been overplayed this season. Not sure about his pace game being found out, we all knew about his pace before he signed, he's just suffering a very natural dip in form, while the team around him dips as well. And if other forwards don't move and stretch defences enough he will fail to find the spaces he needs to run into. Not his fault, it's a team game.

I think the 15 million spent on him was an absolute bargain, he will only improve. He has more PL assists than anyone else in your team and has shown he can score as well. What more could you ask for from a 22 year old signed from the Championship. I still think he was one of the buys of the summer.
The manager had not bought him as a backup. He was very much our only attacking signing of the summer. So don't know about the overplayed argument.

The entire world and its uncle knew that James was a pace merchant who relished knocking the ball into space and running past the defender. It was upto him and the coaching staff to develop dribbling, feinting etc. Which I haven't seen thus far. His element of surprise has worn off and therefore his form too.

He will improve only with proper coaching and guidance. With our current staff setup that's hardly a guarantee. But let's hope for the best. As I already said, if he gets stronger, develops his physique, learns how to dribble and is at the level of an Adama Traore in another year or so, then great!

I had never any expectations from James to begin with. In my eyes he should have been used as an impact sub. Not for our great manager unfortunately. He has been thrust into the cauldron because of our poor transfer strategy. But as I mentioned in my post, he can succeed with hard work and learning fast.
 

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This is on Ole. Big time.

Our RW coverage is Daniel James and Mason Greenwood. One is a Championship player with only one professional season behind him, and the other is an incomplete starlet from the academy with almost no professional experience.
Why is it on him?

He did say when James was signed he is one for future and expects him to be a squad player. Which RW did he let go in the summer?

Robertson was a championship player and is now a CL winner, your point?

You do realise that Greenwood probably has 20 games less than Haland? A player everyone wanted us to sign?
 

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What’s that got to do with his performances and ability?
You cant be serious right now man? Even if he turns out to be shite, he lost his father right before joining the biggest club in the world. Depression + pressure to peform would have an effect on the best of players.
 

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Did we stop for a moment and not criticise Ronaldo for making that poor choice of pass because his Dad passed?

Did we say wait.. don’t sack Mourinho. His Dad just died?

I’m not trying to stop morality and thanks for the comment ;) but let’s try and keep it about performance. Life’s not fair sometimes.. some people on here probably lost a close loved one very recently but also don’t have James finances. Should Daniel James feel sorry for them?
I would just like to take this opportunity to criticise both this post and its accompanying poster. You seem like a complete wanker, sir.
 

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You cant be serious right now man? Even if he turns out to be shite, he lost his father right before joining the biggest club in the world. Depression + pressure to peform would have an effect on the best of players.
Mate many players have lost their parents like I said in my example. Are we going to judge everyone like this.

I would much rather we just spoke about the football. If he was playing well would that person have posted that link?

Stop guilt tripping.
 

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Mate many players have lost their parents like I said in my example. Are we going to judge everyone like this.

I would much rather we just spoke about the football. If he was playing well would that person have posted that link?

Stop guilt tripping.
A lot of those players may already be established or playing at lesser clubs with little to no pressure. I feel like disregarding his father's death to say it should have zero effect on his football just isn't right. And I'm someone who also feel's he's been very poor lately too.
 

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Got to feel for him. Any typical season he would have been brought in gradually/brought on to run tiring defences ragged.

Instead he's now a mainstay in the team simply because our other options are dreadful/been shipped out and not replaced. Worse thing is, his role goes unnoticed because we've got far bigger issues in our starting XI
 

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Jury's still out on his quality but it's really poor from Woodward and Ole that a mid from the Championship is having to play every game.

Even Ronaldo needed a couple of years before he was a regular. How long have we needed a quality RW now? 5 years?
 

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I feel sorry for him. Ole is running him into the ground and probably damaging his confidence via basically making him a first-team regular when he was nowhere near ready. He'll do similar to our youngsters, too. Greenwood should NEVER be under the pressure of being our main backup to Rashford/Martial at his age and lack of first team experience.

Ole is incredibly negligent.
 

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Greenwood should NEVER be under the pressure of being our main backup to Rashford/Martial at his age and lack of first team experience.
But we were happy to have a 19 year old Haland as our main striker?

Hypocrisy in the caf is a bit much.
 

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But we were happy to have a 19 year old Haland as our main striker?

Hypocrisy in the caf is a bit much.
Haaland already had 60+ first team appearances for Molde and Salzburg and is over a year older than Greenwood. He's clearly at a different stage of his development. Also I didn't see many suggesting he should instantly be our main striker, just that we badly needed another striker and he was a great option.
 

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Did we stop for a moment and not criticise Ronaldo for making that poor choice of pass because his Dad passed?

Did we say wait.. don’t sack Mourinho. His Dad just died?

I’m not trying to stop morality and thanks for the comment ;) but let’s try and keep it about performance. Life’s not fair sometimes.. some people on here probably lost a close loved one very recently but also don’t have James finances. Should Daniel James feel sorry for them?
I was going to say how fecked up this post was, but then I saw the poster...

Also, just to add, when Ronaldo's dad passed away SAF gave him three weeks off right in the middle of the busiest period of the season. And that's not even starting on the comparative strengths of the two squads.
 

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Haaland already had 60+ first team appearances for Molde and Salzburg and is over a year older than Greenwood. He's clearly at a different stage of his development. Also I didn't see many suggesting he should instantly be our main striker, just that we badly needed another striker and he was a great option.
Greenwood has played 30 games and most have been this season, and is a year younger like you said, that is not a clear different stage is it? 1 year is similar stage of development.

So why are many posters complaining for us not signing him? He wanted first team football, guaranteed playing time so if even the fans don't want him to start why should he have even looked at United?

So Greenwood would be 3rd choice ST? How many 3rd choice ST get games? 2nd choice ST barely get games these days.
 

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I feel sorry for him. Ole is running him into the ground and probably damaging his confidence via basically making him a first-team regular when he was nowhere near ready. He'll do similar to our youngsters, too. Greenwood should NEVER be under the pressure of being our main backup to Rashford/Martial at his age and lack of first team experience.

Ole is incredibly negligent.
Yeah and when he barely played in the second league game this season you came up with posts like this

To make t look like you have faith in youth without actually showing faith in youth.

Get used to this façade, I'm telling you - I will go into it after the game! Called it all summer long.
He is morphing into a bag of hot air to be honest. There's a lot of talk and no action whatsoever. This has been the case since he was given the job permanently. He's talked and talked and nothing he has addressed has come to fruition, not a single thing. Transfers, replacing players, style of play, faith in youth (for the most part), 'the United way', its nothing but lip service as he limps from game to game praying something finally clicks. He's buying time and preying on the sentiments of the fanbase to help him along.
So shit on Ole if player is played as main back up player or if the player is not getting mins.

I mean there are so many things to call him out and want him sacked, on top of that twisting everything? :lol:
 

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I really feel for James to be honest. A young player coming up from a lower league, he should have been coming into a stable environment where he can be played for a short spell, then benched for a short spell, with minimal pressure on him as an individual to achieve what the team should be doing collectively. His stats are decent - 4 goals, 6 assists in 24 league appearances is a fine return. He's doing everything we should expect of him at this point.

Unfortunately, for reasons too long to dwell on here, the club is a mess and with no-one to take the pressure off him we need practically double that output from him. Which is completely unrealistic and not his fault, but with no other viable candidates to play at the moment, he takes the same flack that others are getting.

I just hope it gives him a thick skin, because while I don't see a budding world class player in there, he certainly has the ability to be a really useful squad player we can use in certain situations.
 

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A lot of those players may already be established or playing at lesser clubs with little to no pressure. I feel like disregarding his father's death to say it should have zero effect on his football just isn't right. And I'm someone who also feel's he's been very poor lately too.
But then we are claiming his circumstances are far greater than everyone else’s because they may have been more established. How do we even know if him and his dad were close?

It’s just going down a rabbit whole of unencessity. I don’t want to be talking about a player and they deceased, just out of respect in all honesty.

The majority of the post are about his ability and form let’s leave it at that.

By the way I didn’t say ZERO effect..

As for his performance he hasn’t been the best, I didn’t think he should be at this level in the first place but I do also reckon we have miss managed him.. Hopefully we sort that out under new management next season.