MEN: Fred identifies Manchester United's biggest problem this season

[Andycoleno9]

Didn't De gea lost captain role because saying something like this?

 

[VP89]

Didn't De gea lost captain role because saying something like this?

When did DDG get appointed first team captain?

 

[clarkydaz]

Didn't De gea lost captain role because saying something like this?

Pretty much. Didn't go into as much detail as this either

 

[DarkXaero]

Well done to Fred for saying this publicly. You can say that these things should be kept internal, but at least us fans now know the truth. Many seemed to be under the false impression that having Ole at least made the locker room a lot better, and now that doesn't seem to be the case. Fred is the right player to be saying this too, considering he has been our hardest working player on the pitch this season.

 

[mu4c_20le]

When did DDG get appointed first team captain?

He didn't, it was temporary.

 

[jamesjimmybyrondean]

Well done to Fred for saying this publicly. You can say that these things should be kept internal, but at least us fans now know the truth. Many seemed to be under the false impression that having Ole at least made the locker room a lot better, and now that doesn't seem to be the case. Fred is the right player to be saying this too, considering he has been our hardest working player on the pitch this season.

Exactly. If it was Pereira or Lingard or Martial that said what Fred said most will overlook what they said and start calling out their performance on the pitch. Can't do that with Fred though

 

[Andycoleno9]

When did DDG get appointed first team captain?

He was vice captain when Young was here and then he said something and Ole gave it to Maguire.

 

[entropy]

Something that he needs to say to them, and work on himself (creativity from midfield) not call people out publicly. This is what got Keane moved on after all

Neither is he Keane nor is our squad any bit comparable to the old squad. If anything, he is being honest which is refreshing.

 

[RoyH1]

There's nothing wrong in what he said. He was respectful and didn't single anyone out.

 

[The Cat]

This is a nothing interview. Move on.

 

[Sandikan]

Always a fine line between players speaking out being considered as "good leadership" and "Telling it how it is", and the sort of comments on here about it being not his place / not right etc

 

[ReddBalls]

This could actually have a positive effect if those he calls out are in a minority.

 

[VP89]

Something that he needs to say to them, and work on himself (creativity from midfield) not call people out publicly. This is what got Keane moved on after all

This isn't even close to what Keane did.

 

[Andycoleno9]

He didn't, it was temporary.

But after that he never was captain. Even Rashford was before him. Ole doesn't like this kind of stuff

 

[mu4c_20le]

But after that he never was captain. Even Rashford was before him. Ole doesn't like this kind of stuff

I'd like to think that he was dropped because he wasn't a very good captain or influential enough on the pitch. With that said, Ole might have a word with Fred if this blows up.

 

[spiriticon]

I'm going on a rage here but I have to ask honestly. Like what the feck is wrong with our dressing room? Who the feck do they think they are? We've been gutting and rebuilding since 2013 and yet there still seems to be attitude problems.

How can the worst group of United players in 30 odd years be THAT far up their own asses and not realise it?

Let's get this straight. They are nothings. Nobodies. Not fit for purpose. It's beyond a parody.

 

[Ekeke]

Neither is he Keane nor is our squad any bit comparable to the old squad. If anything, he is being honest which is refreshing.

Would you like it if someone was "honest" about you in public, or face to face so you can get to the bottom of the issue and suggesting you can trust them?

 

[Andycoleno9]

I'd like to think that he was dropped because he wasn't a very good captain or influential enough on the pitch. With that said, Ole might have a word with Fred if this blows up.

Yeah, it wasn't the case. Even some journos said that Ole was pissed. If you look closer, only De gea and Maguire show emotions during the game and both are very vocal.

 

[JPRouve]

Would you like it if someone was "honest" about you in public, or face to face so you can get to the bottom of the issue and suggesting you can trust them?

It depends entirely on who said it, what they said publicly and what they told me previously in private.

 

[JoeyJoJoJrShabadoo]

Its marvelous that he can be so truthful about a variety of our problems and yet still positive going forward. He has made amazing strides, but I am desperate for him to create more chances.

 

[Canagel]

Well done to Fred for saying this publicly. You can say that these things should be kept internal, but at least us fans now know the truth. Many seemed to be under the false impression that having Ole at least made the locker room a lot better, and now that doesn't seem to be the case. Fred is the right player to be saying this too, considering he has been our hardest working player on the pitch this season.

This

 

[Judas]

There's been whispers online for ages that the supposed great team spirit isn't all that at the moment, and there's a a lot disenchanted with how things are. I think we'll see a few more interviewers and stories along these lines as the season draws to a close.

 

[hobbers]

There's been whispers online for ages that the supposed great team spirit isn't all that at the moment, and there's a a lot disenchanted with how things are. I think we'll see a few more interviewers and stories along these lines as the season draws to a close.

Yeh and it's not surprising. It's literally impossible for there to be a good team spirit when the results have been as diabolical as they are and no one can see it getting better under current management.

Much like the previous managers, I bet we'll have tons of leaks come up the second Ole is sacked.

 

[Eddy_JukeZ]

I guess the feel good factor isn't that high after all.

 

[Majima]

Good man Fred. One of the very few who's words hold any weight this season.

This insight won't come as a shock to anyone actually watching our matches, not just listening to the nauseating positive façade Ole tries to sell every week, but it's nice to know at least there's two people at the club willing to say it as it is, in spite of the culture of delusion surrounding them.

 

[Rhyme Animal]

Fred the RED.

 

[UnitedSofa]

Well done to Fred for saying this publicly. You can say that these things should be kept internal, but at least us fans now know the truth. Many seemed to be under the false impression that having Ole at least made the locker room a lot better, and now that doesn't seem to be the case. Fred is the right player to be saying this too, considering he has been our hardest working player on the pitch this season.

This is nothing to do with Ole this is more Fred saying there’s players in the team who would rather play for themselves and try to be the glory hunter than play as a team

 

[Andersons Dietician]

Isn’t this quite old. I seem to remember a thread on this a few months back on his comments and it was reported in our papers as well.
Dont really see anything that scathing in it. Just telling it as it is that at the time which was months ago they weren’t working as a unit that we could all see.

 

[el3mel]

This is nothing to do with Ole this is more Fred saying there’s players in the team who would rather play for themselves and try to be the glory hunter than play as a team

Not really, the quotes are pretty much slap on the face for those who kept telling us Ole has changed the culture around the club and that squad is now more honest and they have more more fight in them. Turned out it was as we told them, BS narrative.

 

[DarkXaero]

This is nothing to do with Ole this is more Fred saying there’s players in the team who would rather play for themselves and try to be the glory hunter than play as a team

The manager has nothing to do with the locker room?

 

[ReddBalls]

Not really, the quotes are pretty much slap on the face for those who kept telling us Ole has changed the culture around the club and that squad is now more honest and they have more more fight in them. Turned out it was as we told them, BS narrative.

Or you could see it as proof that it takes time to change culture, and that the rot is deep. He is not the first person to have told the press that something is rotten in the locker room. However, as with most matters internal to the club, there is no way for us to know if OGS is actually making progress in this matter or not. However way you see it, if this club is ever gonna punch back, the culture is the most important thing to fix. Tactics only get you so far.

 

[Le Red]

This "throwing someone under the bus helps no one" myth have to die. Not everyone thrive in a "you did good, here's a 10th runner up medal". Most winners thrives in a cutthroat environment, many more flourish under such hardship. Many famous people got ridiculed before they prove everybody wrong.

If you're not man enough to be criticized for playing like a drunk then you don't have that winner mentality.

Critics can be good, constantly patting everyone in the back for doing a shit job is equally bad in the long run.

Yes, we live in the "everyone gets a medal" generation so that winning mentality has been more scarce than ever.

 

[ghaliboy]

At this point it would be weird if you didn't think there was something wrong with the playing group.

 

[Gasolin]

I think this just means unity takes time. Tactics sets us up most of the time to give us a chance to shoot at goals, but overall, it would mean that our team cohesion needs to progress. It's team building and all, isn't it?

 

[sglowrider]

Good man Fred. One of the very few who's words hold any weight this season.

This insight won't come as a shock to anyone actually watching our matches, not just listening to the nauseating positive façade Ole tries to sell every week, but it's nice to know at least there's two people at the club willing to say it as it is, in spite of the culture of delusion surrounding them.

What is he supposed to say in public then? Throw the players under the bus? Lots of moaning but no one seems to offer any management solutions other than Ole Out.
If people have ever managed teams of people they will know its always easy to bitch & moan about the manager/higher ups but its much tougher to actually do it.

 

[Isotope]

I'm not disregarding anything. Fred didn't say Ole makes mistakes. He said he has positives and negatives (as would most coaches), went out of his way to say he's a good coach and even said he's going to help us win titles.

It's not a glowing review like how Liverpool players would talk of Klopp, but it's not unencouraging.

The whole interview gave negative vibe about the team. I'm not sure why it could be different about the manager.

Anyway. He needs a PR training. If I said that about my boss on paper's interview, I surely get into big trouble.

 

[RedBanker]

What are the chances of Fred getting his arse benched now after exposing the fake "feel good" narrative? Am sure it will have irked a few people within the club.

 

[kouroux]

I think Ole would agree with all of these points tbh.

The point is that Ole should have done something to improve this. According to him everything is fine and rosy

 

[NewGlory]

Does anybody speak Portuguese here? Can you please tell us if he is really saying everything MEN quoted him with?
Because if he really said those things... HOLY CRAP

 

[Esquire]

Well done to Fred for saying this publicly. You can say that these things should be kept internal, but at least us fans now know the truth. Many seemed to be under the false impression that having Ole at least made the locker room a lot better, and now that doesn't seem to be the case. Fred is the right player to be saying this too, considering he has been our hardest working player on the pitch this season.

Completely agree with you. People keep pining for leaders who are not afraid to challenge people. Well, Fred has come out and made a challenge. Those who feel aggrieved honestly should feck off. I for one applaud him for wanting to get everyone aligned on team goals. Whatever his skill set level is, his work ethic has not been questioned and he has earned the right to call some slackers out.