A serious look at Mauricio Pochettino

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I feel sad for Ole if he gets shifted but at the same time if he had done his job properly he wouldn't be the circumstances he's currently in. If Solskjaer gets sacked he's only got himself to blame.
He is already being shafted when Woody's guy is making a public show of meeting with him when our season is still far from over. So I don't believe you. Feels like you wrote that as more of a formality.
 

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As much as I want Poch here, I feel sad for Ole that we’re probably about to shaft him as we did LVG. It was bad enough when it happened to a mad Dutchman we had no prior connection to, but a club legend? I mean, he isn’t stupid. He’ll be aware of the rumours surrounding Poch and what will happen if we don’t make top 4, but it’s still sad to see.
Yes, I feel sad for him too. Poor guy made only 6m pounds for doing the worst managerial job in the club's history.
 

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As much as I want Poch here, I feel sad for Ole that we’re probably about to shaft him as we did LVG. It was bad enough when it happened to a mad Dutchman we had no prior connection to, but a club legend? I mean, he isn’t stupid. He’ll be aware of the rumours surrounding Poch and what will happen if we don’t make top 4, but it’s still sad to see.
I don't. We're sitting in 8th, behind clubs who have sacked their managers mid-season. There's been zero progress made on the pitch in his time here.

Does he feel bad for the fans who are suffering through this season? He's breaking negative records left & right. Surely he must be aware he's out of his depth here?
 

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*Ash beat me to it, seems as though there's been a brief given the different sources reporting on interest from both sides tonight...
 

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Who is Julien Laurens then?
Journalist/pundit/podcaster who works for Le Parisien. Okay-ish in terms of transfer reliability, but not sure how consistently proven he is with manager appointment predictions, especially if he doesn't have direct connections or sources (like he seemingly does with say Paris Saint-Germain). That Pochettino quote is from this segment:



Apparently he also claimed that Tuchel will join Bayern Munich next season: https://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=4011231
 

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Poch will not be a brilliant manager for us. He hasn't even been able to win a little carling Cup with a very decent spurs team. He's not a top top manager BUT he will take us to the next level beyond what solskjaer is capable of and then maybe when Poch is done we can bring in someone even better and get back to winning cups.
 

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I am also convinced that Poch will take over in the summer base on :

1) Let the like Palace to beat us in Old Trafford for the first time and many more worst records. And also it is the first time United have had under 40 points at this stage of a Premier League season, since the inaugural 1992/93 Premier League campaign.

2) Poch himself saying that he like EPL and that the next challenge will be fantastic. Assume fantastic challenge means big team like us here.
 

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Poch will not be a brilliant manager for us. He hasn't even been able to win a little carling Cup with a very decent spurs team. He's not a top top manager BUT he will take us to the next level beyond what solskjaer is capable of and then maybe when Poch is done we can bring in someone even better and get back to winning cups.
What makes you say this so confidently? He literally got to the CL final last year with zero transfer budget the summer beforehand. Did anyone ever think Spurs would get there before him?

I take more stock in his full body of work at Spurs, less on whether he can get lucky in a cup competition or not.
 

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What makes you say this so confidently? He literally got to the CL final last year with zero transfer budget the summer beforehand. Did anyone ever think Spurs would get there before him?

I take more stock in his full body of work at Spurs, less on whether he can get lucky in a cup competition or not.
For how good his team has been, what else has he achieved?
 

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For how good his team has been, what else has he achieved?
He got Southampton's highest PL points total in his first season and had them playing such good football that their squad was picked clean by Liverpool and us.
Nobody had heard of most of Spurs players before he went there and he got them regular top 4 finishes. That's without being able to buy the players he wanted as there was no budget I think he's done pretty well.
 

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Someone earlier said everyone is a loser until they win something.


Well then let's stop recruiting losers and let's stop gambling. Let's recruit a modern manager, someone who's managed a club at this level before. I know there's not much option but if we sign Poch we will only be stuck for another few years.
 

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For how good his team has been, what else has he achieved?
Why is his team quality being used against him? He didn't inherit it, he built it himself, by acquiring young talent and improving his players. There's a difference. He instilled a confident aggressive mentality in his young players. They were coached well.

Wouldn't you agree our similarly young team is too soft, meek & looking rather clueless right now?

People forget Ole & Poch are the same age. Before Spurs, he was also excellent at Southampton.

He guaranteed consistent top 4 finishes whilst being outspent by his rivals. As Utd fans, we should know how hard it has been for us, even whilst spending money like it's going out of fashion.
 

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Why is his team quality being used against him? He didn't inherit it, he built it himself, by acquiring young talent and improving his players. There's a difference. He instilled a confident aggressive mentality in his young players. They were coached well.

Wouldn't you agree our similarly young team is too soft, meek & looking rather clueless right now?

He guaranteed consistent top 4 finishes whilst being outspent by his rivals. As Utd fans, we should know how hard it has been for us, even whilst spending money like it's going out of fashion.
Yes, I agree he has done really well looking back at the quality of players he has had. Especially his Southampton players and I believe his Tottenham squad would have been broken apart had Daniel Levy been more open to selling some of his players however he created a good harmony and none of them really wanted to ditch his vision.

I am just unsure of how much he is capable of achieving at a club that is considerably larger than Tottenham. It's a bit of a risk but looking at what we have around us? It's a risk worth taking I guess. I said in another thread, I was looking at individual highlights of some of our players and we have a talented squad, a lot more talented than what the Ole in brigade make them out to be. So maybe Poch is the right man.

Do you see him here this summer?
 

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He got Southampton's highest PL points total in his first season and had them playing such good football that their squad was picked clean by Liverpool and us.
Nobody had heard of most of Spurs players before he went there and he got them regular top 4 finishes. That's without being able to buy the players he wanted as there was no budget I think he's done pretty well.
He got to spend over 100m every summer, and I believe he actually outspent us in the last one. Top 4 finishes are well and fine, and a marginal improvement over our current manager, but why not actually go for a title winning manager instead? There are also better, younger, more dynamic choices if those are the qualities people love about him.
 

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Someone earlier said everyone is a loser until they win something.


Well then let's stop recruiting losers and let's stop gambling. Let's recruit a modern manager, someone who's managed a club at this level before. I know there's not much option but if we sign Poch we will only be stuck for another few years.
You're not making much sense here. Poch is a modern manager who has managed at this level... If not Poch, who else is available that is a better option than him?
 

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You're not making much sense here. Poch is a modern manager who has managed at this level... If not Poch, who else is available that is a better option than him?

I take it you're not a fan of him, but at least be objective.
No no, I am just unsure about him. There are many points I like about him but points I am unsure about. He is, I believe, the best of the crop of managers that are available.
 

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Yes, I agree he has done really well looking back at the quality of players he has had. Especially his Southampton players and I believe his Tottenham squad would have been broken apart had Daniel Levy been more open to selling some of his players however he created a good harmony and none of them really wanted to ditch his vision.

I am just unsure of how much he is capable of achieving at a club that is considerably larger than Tottenham. It's a bit of a risk but looking at what we have around us? It's a risk worth taking I guess. I said in another thread, I was looking at individual highlights of some of our players and we have a talented squad, a lot more talented than what the Ole in brigade make them out to be. So maybe Poch is the right man.

Do you see him here this summer?
Motivation is the key at the top and he's proven to be an excellent leader, who coaches his players well. I see no reason to think why he isn't capable of going on to win the top trophies in the future with more resources. If we waste too much time and Pep leaves, I can see them going for him for sure.

Yeah I definately agree that we have some top individual talent here, who have the ability to compete with the best teams even whilst being shackled under questionable management.

It stands to reason that their ceiling will be much higher under a quality coach instead.

That's what I would like to see.

I hope the deals done already, yeah.
 

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Someone earlier said everyone is a loser until they win something.


Well then let's stop recruiting losers and let's stop gambling. Let's recruit a modern manager, someone who's managed a club at this level before. I know there's not much option but if we sign Poch we will only be stuck for another few years.
We’ve already tried going down the winners route, remember? I think there’s very few who fit your description of having won something at a big club and also considered to be a “modern” manager. And there’s no way two of them would ever manage us.
 

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I'm in the camp that has reservations over Poch. But I'm also not convinced we're looking to get him for next season. I suspect it'll still be Ole.

If he does end up coming though I hope he poaches Son.
 

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Could you imagine Pochettino with United transfer budget? With United youth players and academy? :drool:.

No way that Pochettino does worse at United than he did at Spurs, which means that United will be back to where they should be and probably in our first champions league final since Ferguson retired.
 

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Could you imagine Pochettino with United transfer budget? With United youth players and academy? :drool:.

No way that Pochettino does worse at United than he did at Spurs, which means that United will be back to where they should be and probably in our first champions league final since Ferguson retired.
The fact that Spurs don't have a model footballing structure either (although still better than us) actually works in his favour coming here, where the odds of hiring of DoF have dropped everyday since Jose was sacked.

I would really like Poch at United but my only slight concern is the form that got him sacked. They had a terrible run at the end of last year that was masked by the CL success and then started this year really poorly. I still didn't agree with the sacking due to his prior success and rebuilding of the squad post-Bale/AVB but absolutely agreed that the form from the last few months of 18-19 through the beginning of 19-20 would have seen 90% of managers sacked, especially after finally getting a few new players in the door in the summer.

On the other hand, Klopp went through a very similar period at the end of his time at Dortmund. And look how that has worked out.
 

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Tapping up another manager publically for the purposes of good PR, all under the nose of our current manager would be very scummy indeed.
It might seem scummy, but it’s something that will bring some positivity to the fanbase for the first time in months, the prospect of a better manager.
 

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I feel sad for Ole if he gets shifted but at the same time if he had done his job properly he wouldn't be the circumstances he's currently in. If Solskjaer gets sacked he's only got himself to blame.
And what exactly has he done wrong?

He's completely revamping a poor overpaid squad of underachievers who can't play the way he wants and united should. He's made a good start on that but was left high and dry by Woodward and Judge in the summer, that combined with the injuries we've had this year have contributed to some poor performances. Despite this he's dramatically improved Rashford, Fred, Mata, Matic, McTominay and to a lesser extent Martial and he's made 3 possibly 4 quality signings too. He's also had an excellent record against the other top 6 teams. The only thing I can criticise him for is persisting with an out of form Lingard and poor Pereira over Gomes, who should have been given more game time, apart from that Ole is doing a good job.
 

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As much as I want Poch here, I feel sad for Ole that we’re probably about to shaft him as we did LVG. It was bad enough when it happened to a mad Dutchman we had no prior connection to, but a club legend? I mean, he isn’t stupid. He’ll be aware of the rumours surrounding Poch and what will happen if we don’t make top 4, but it’s still sad to see.
I think Ole knows his time is done, wouldn't be surprised if he was told about it and he will continue in his dream job till the end of season and then leave on mutual consent.
 
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It would be negligence not to go for Poch. I think in the end, Woody will get him as there is willingness on both sides.
 

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Both Julien and Ogden said Poch is ear marked for the summer because he has a clause in his contract making it expensive (for us) to join another Premier League club this season.

I don't get how because he was sacked but that's what they're saying.
 

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Both Julien and Ogden said Poch is ear marked for the summer because he has a clause in his contract making it expensive (for us) to join another Premier League club this season.

I don't get how because he was sacked but that's what they're saying.
Sarri was sacked by Napoli and they even hired Ancelotti but Chelsea had to pay around 7 million compensation to sign him.

Maybe some clause where managers are paid money if they don't get job that season or for x number of months.
 

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And what exactly has he done wrong?

He's completely revamping a poor overpaid squad of underachievers who can't play the way he wants and united should. He's made a good start on that but was left high and dry by Woodward and Judge in the summer, that combined with the injuries we've had this year have contributed to some poor performances. Despite this he's dramatically improved Rashford, Fred, Mata, Matic, McTominay and to a lesser extent Martial and he's made 3 possibly 4 quality signings too. He's also had an excellent record against the other top 6 teams. The only thing I can criticise him for is persisting with an out of form Lingard and poor Pereira over Gomes, who should have been given more game time, apart from that Ole is doing a good job.
Here we go again, blame the players for the poor results and praise Ole for the good ones. When we were doing well against the top six wasn't he using the same squad of overpaid underachievers? I'd grant you the improving players bit but do you realize that Matic is a two time PL Champion, Mata won the CL and Fred was signed for 50m because of what he did in the CL? At the end of the day its results that matter and he hasn't brought them.
 

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Sarri was sacked by Napoli and they even hired Ancelotti but Chelsea had to pay around 7 million compensation to sign him.

Maybe some clause where managers are paid money if they don't get job that season or for x number of months.
Yeah, probably. Would make a lot more sense.
 

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He got to spend over 100m every summer, and I believe he actually outspent us in the last one. Top 4 finishes are well and fine, and a marginal improvement over our current manager, but why not actually go for a title winning manager instead? There are also better, younger, more dynamic choices if those are the qualities people love about him.
Well I've got reservations about him as well but this is all completely untrue. The only season Spurs have spent £100m+ while Poch was there was 17/18 (£112.5m gross; only £24.75 net though). In 18/19 they spent nothing at all.

Gross this year was £87.5m; not much more than United spent on Maguire. So your belief that he outspent us this year is misplaced also.

Source for figures : https://www.transferleague.co.uk/to...sh-football-teams/tottenham-hotspur-transfers
 

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Does anybody think Ole is also down with leaving in the summer and that's why he's said continuously that he doesn't feel pressure?

He is far too clever to assume he's doing well.
 

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Sarri was sacked by Napoli and they even hired Ancelotti but Chelsea had to pay around 7 million compensation to sign him.

Maybe some clause where managers are paid money if they don't get job that season or for x number of months.
Sarri wasn’t sacked. Chelsea had to buy him. Which is why it took so long.
 

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Does anybody think Ole is also down with leaving in the summer and that's why he's said continuously that he doesn't feel pressure?

He is far too clever to assume he's doing well.
I think if they do decide to move on, ole will be offered a different role within the club, whether he takes it or not would be up to him but I doubt they'd do him like they did LvG with constant rumors behind his back.
 

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Sarri wasn’t sacked. Chelsea had to buy him. Which is why it took so long.
Yeah and for Poch Spurs have put in clause as per Telegraph.

Pochettino has been replaced by Jose Mourinho at Spurs, but Telegraph Sport can reveal that, under the terms of his exit, the club would still be entitled to compensation from any club, at home or abroad, that attempts to appoint the Argentine before the summer.

Although Pochettino has left Tottenham, he is not a free agent and any club wishing to appoint him would have to agree a compensation package with Levy. As well as Premier League clubs, that also applies to overseas clubs such as Bayern Munich and Real Madrid.
 

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And what exactly has he done wrong?

He's completely revamping a poor overpaid squad of underachievers who can't play the way he wants and united should. He's made a good start on that but was left high and dry by Woodward and Judge in the summer, that combined with the injuries we've had this year have contributed to some poor performances. Despite this he's dramatically improved Rashford, Fred, Mata, Matic, McTominay and to a lesser extent Martial and he's made 3 possibly 4 quality signings too. He's also had an excellent record against the other top 6 teams. The only thing I can criticise him for is persisting with an out of form Lingard and poor Pereira over Gomes, who should have been given more game time, apart from that Ole is doing a good job.
Apart from that? that is everything in football. It is managing and coaching the squad and he is nowhere near good in that aspect. He is one the worse in the club's history.
 

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Could you imagine Pochettino with United transfer budget? With United youth players and academy? :drool:.

No way that Pochettino does worse at United than he did at Spurs, which means that United will be back to where they should be and probably in our first champions league final since Ferguson retired.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: