I didnt highlight 1 side in the post you quoted, I highlighted 1 poster.
Jose Mourinho Sack Watch | Sacked per 19-04
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Yes you highlighted a specific post/poster and made a generic comment about Solskjaer being bashed. So I asked you to look at older posts as to who all are bringing his name in a thread about Mourinho.
I won't/don't read all the posts, I go with bottom up approach, go to last post and then scroll up. So instead of whataboutism, lets stick to Jose Mourinho in this thread.
Wow, this is like reading caf during Jose's time at ManUtd. There wasn't any plan more than hoping to score a goal somehow.
I don't see any change, his team looks like ManUtd team under him. Passive, lacking ideas. Only change is, he has very good passer from deep (Toby) and very good target man (Kane).
Like other managers who took charge in midseason, he shouldn't be judged harshly but going by his last few years I don't see much change in playing style.
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The no striker argument (Kane, Son injured) doesn't cut it for me. Leipzig had their 3 best CB's injured, Spurs should have been attacking much more.
Yes totally agree. I hope your message has got across to the intended audience.
He has a cult like fallowing. I actually know a guy that fallows him to games more then his own team( the one that he supposedly supports), has his books memorized, video interviews with him saved on his PC. Poch has developed a little bit of this too but nothing compares to the number of people that have an obsession with the toxic one. He can be a charismatic guy what can you say.
If anything, the way Spurs play is a reminder of dour way we used to play under him. We have probably been worse in terms of results under Ole, but I would have him over Jose every single day of the week.
And what is the problem with that?
I liked Jose but y the end of his time at United everyone was fed up with his negativity.
Now its Deja Vú for us.
You are on a united forum so suck it up if some people are having a laugh at him. Does it really need to be explained
Ultimately, the club was, what, 11 points off top 4 and to all intents and purposes out of the running for champions League football. That gap is now down to a solitary point, so he must be doing something right.
If you honestly can’t see the difference between people supporting our club manager and those who have a pop whenever they can, there’s no point responding.
Chelsea shitting the bed. Hes doing a decent job at Spurs though especially with the injuries.
I know the difference between the various groups of members we have on here. And agree with you that there's no point responding to a lot of posts which have no rhyme or reason but simply satisfy agenda. If we want proper debates then there are always two sides. And a lot of members here have forgotten what it means to support the club.
By the way I find it hilarious that we have sack watch threads for Mourinho, heck even Pep and Zidane, but not one for Solskjaer. Even though it's our own forum, but ironic innit?
It's not. We always had sack watches for other managers except Manutd managers, iirc we never had one for Moyes, VanGaal and Jose too.
I've seen Spurs under Jose maybe four or five times now and I've been really unimpressed every time I've seen them. I dont see what their game plan is to be honest, they're just shapeless. When they sit deep it doesn't seem like they're just being hard to break down and playing on the counter, it just looks like they can't hold on to the ball. And when they push the game forward they look like they have no plan once the ball arrives at midfield. Its very reminiscent of how things were at United in our first season, and that seems unlikely to be coincidence.
Their points total has been decent under Mourinho, but given that they were by far second best when they played City, and a draw would have been fair vs Norwich and Villa on the balance of play, Im not sure that's a telling metric. More importantly, if they keep playing that type of football all season I'd expect them to start picking up fewer points than they have been.
Of course at United the points tally got a lot better in the second season, so maybe it'll happen here too. But if the plan for Spurs was for Mourinho to be the guy whose experience would turn them into contenders, there's no sign of a change yet.
Their points total has been decent under Mourinho, but given that they were by far second best when they played City, and a draw would have been fair vs Norwich and Villa on the balance of play, Im not sure that's a telling metric. More importantly, if they keep playing that type of football all season I'd expect them to start picking up fewer points than they have been.
Of course at United the points tally got a lot better in the second season, so maybe it'll happen here too. But if the plan for Spurs was for Mourinho to be the guy whose experience would turn them into contenders, there's no sign of a change yet.
It isn't just one result in isolation, is it? No doubt when Spurs do get eliminated there will be another excuse in waiting.
In his 14 PL games for Spurs he has won 3 points more than he had in his last 14 PL games for us, see here. Lampard has won 15 points in his last 14 PL games.
I'm not saying he's crap, but he's not performing miracles either.
Spurs got eliminated? Means jose is finished?
The fact that anything other than winning under him is seen as failure is a testament to this guy.
This guy standard is winning. So much that finishing 2nd with 2 cups are seen as past his sell date, dinosaur, finished.
If ole gunnar solksjaer won half of what he has won with us you lot would be naming your son ole
Should give more freedom to Sacramento on tactical training, a bit like Ferguson did with Queiroz. Why hire a specialist in tactical training and then don't let him develop his methods?
Incredible that you have that insight into what the current training methods are. Really interesting to hear that Sacramento is not getting any freedom - a bit concerning if true. You must have a pretty good source as I haven't heard this at all.
Yes, my crystal ball never let me down
Just like everybody else, I am having a personal opinion that might be proved wrong in the midterm or long term, nothing against Mourinho which is a manager I respect an I actually think he is very competent, without being his "fan".
Best thing for him to do is probably to go out of the CL at this stage with the injuries he's got and the fixture pile up. If he gets Spurs into the champions league for next season I think he will have done a pretty good job considering their season's start.
Has his strategy of playing defensive in the first half and attacking in the second ever worked?
Felt like yesterday was the same story but different game. Defensive mode in the first half and get taken to pieces. Second half he throws all the attackers out and generally struggle to create anything.
Felt like yesterday was the same story but different game. Defensive mode in the first half and get taken to pieces. Second half he throws all the attackers out and generally struggle to create anything.
Ahh so you made a statement as if it was fact but actually it was just a personal opinion based on no evidence whatsoever. Thanks for clarifying.Yes, my crystal ball never let me down
Just like everybody else, I am having a personal opinion that might be proved wrong in the midterm or long term, nothing against Mourinho which is a manager I respect an I actually think he is very competent, without being his "fan".
Pogba is not committed to the club
Martial is a lazy lazy player and Jose was right about them.
Rashford - I have not seen many comments about Jose in that thread
McT was being used by Jose as his propaganda that no better payers is available.
Jose - Ole is shit and Jose is better manager
Yes. Jose may not be the perfect manager, I was not happy with his football and interviews, but he is better than Ole in management. Jose won us 2 trophies and finished 2nd in the league.
It is not like people's world revolve around Jose. There is nothing wrong in pointing if Jose was right or wrong in some other threads. Jose fanboys are far less than Ole fanboys. Ole fanboys are ones who cannot come up with argument other than Ole needs improvement as Fergie did, when asked about the results and if Ole needs to be sacked.
Spurs were shocking. Had they been playing a top team they would have gotten smashed 3 or 4. There is no pressing as a team and they look tactically clueless going forwards. Winter break had alot to do with it. That team won't be able to knock them out.
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I don't remember anyone every arguing Ole is better manager than Jose. If you argument is Jose is better manager then don't bother, I don't think anyone would say Ole is better.
The things he's saying about the Spurs team is laughable. He's draining any bit of positivity the club has.
I'm just glad it's not us anymore - he's toxic and I think his 3 year blowup could well be an 18 month one
he's a tactical dinosaur - this Spurs team will struggle for goals over the next few months and I'd expect a number of 0-0s, 1-0s and 1-1s with the pragmatic approach he had at United
we will finish above Spurs
They're so painful to watch. Even worse than under AVB.
They played the same 12 months ago under Pochettino though
That's just a natural byproduct of having Sissoko and Winks as your only midfield options. Injuries meant José also hasn't been able to field a midfield capable of moving the ball. Or protect the defence in transition
They one real difference is they press less and lower on the pitch than last season(but then they already were under Poch this season), though not by much
You'd think this clown would have realised his prehistoric tactics were done when he tried them against Atletico Madrid and got battered at Stamford Bridge. Or when he tried them against fecking Sevilla at Old Trafford. He's finished at the top level in my opinion.
You have never released the pundit inside of you? Even when giving opinions about why things were turning sour under Poch?
Well with Poch I had plenty of evidence to draw my opinions on. I'm happy with how things are going with Jose at the moment because the squad is fecked and has been since before he came in, we have been extremely unlucky with injuries also and it is clear we need a big refresh of the squad which he won't get the chance to do properly till the summer. This season is all about doing as well as we can and aiming for top 5, FA cup, etc. Right now he is doing about as well as could be expected under the circumstances which we find ourselves.
I would be fine with people making comments about it being a disaster if in 6 months time we have not improved - then fair enough because I'll be also unhappy - but at the moment it is clear we are struggling badly and I don't think that is down to Jose at all. In fact I think he has done a good job at moving us up the table.
This.
He is just too old and stubborn and will not change tactics for anyone. I can't see why someone would take him based on his recent years. So boring to watch.
You arent going to get a fair discussion about Jose on here. Hes the worst manager you could have signed if you wanted that
Unfortunately that appears to be true. You guys are all a bit odd if you don't mind me saying - generally the obsession with ex-players and ex-managers is way more pronounced here than in any other football forum I've ever been on. I honestly don't know why that is.
Different with Mourinho, from Chelsea perspective at least, the way he treated Eva and his general downfall in 15/16 was a disgrace. I fell pretty positive about all our ex managers back to Hoddle when first went to a game, only Mourinho is the exception.
Levy has made a massive mistake hiring him and Spurs fans will ultimately regret Mourinho as much as most Utd and Chelsea fans do.
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