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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
I'm not calling the footballers greedy and incompetent. I'm calling out the lack of action from the FA and Government on this. Their fannying about will cause inevitable pandemonium further down the line.
As for other folks. If you feel fine, then go to work. If you display flu-like symptoms, stay home. I work in a hospital and I'm not in a position to work from home.
Wait and see if anyone in the meeting tomorrow has the virus
There's also a reason they cut funding and made false promises. That reason has the queen's face on it.
Just cancel everything. Who gives a feck about football when the public health is at stake? Everyone is losing money because of this virus, does the Premier league think they should be an exception?
This is what’s happened in the US, postponement should be the initial decision.
If this rolls on for months, then cancellation is the next step.
With Euro 2020 being delayed [likely] a best case scenario might mean you could play the season further into the summer.
Where's the sense? You cancel it now, fans travel to this game sure, but they don't travel to the next one. Don't cancel it now and fans will travel to this game and the next one too. And even now chances are less fans will travel than if they didn't cancel it.
Just f'in cancel it. At least try to reduce the speed of which people get infected a little and give the NHS a fighting chance rather than suddenly throwing 100,000 new patients at it at once.
the whole world is wrong and you’re right. must feel good huh?
That doesn't make any sense. Surely by that logic the correct thing to do would be to let this one go ahead and cancel the one after. Which is kind of what she was saying - events that fans have already planned for potentially do as much damage when cancelled than when allowed to go ahead.
Could do with playing Spurs while they are so wank.
Can they at least do a fecking videoconference, instead of in-person meeting? What century does EPL live in? Their stupidity is infuriating.
It's really mind boggling to me how first it can be proclaimed safe to play the next match day, with crowds even and then one coach gets it and suddenly everything will be scrapped? Don't get me wrong I'm all for football taking a back seat and better late than never, but I'd really like to know how both these decision came to pass. Were they like "yeah we'll probably speed along the collapse of our health care system, but we got to sell tickets!!"?
Well this has not happened in Denmark while the games have been played in front of empty crowds. So not sure if that theory completely holds water in real life. Maybe for a match or two, but if governments actually lead, they will be aware of the danger they're exposing everyone to.
Absolutly madness to keep going like nothing. ”Give” Liverpool title and end it. Football can’t be bigger then life.
Can we start banning these idiots please?
'potentially'. I don't see as many fans traveling for a cancelled game given the nature of the circumstance, and even if just a small number decide not to travel that's still something.
It really isn’t, «though».
It is a theory based on massive statistical studies of multiple real life events, so presumably it does at least to some extent.
I hope he gets better and I also hope that the Arsenal players have not been exposed.
I’ll gladly wait another 30 years to see Liverpool win the league if it means preventing more people getting infected and maybe even dying. At least suspend it for a couple of weeks.
Why are footballers different then? They should just follow the same protocols.
What, when he said "people are going to die" ?But Boris Johnson says it will be fine
It's not just the PL that would be losing a tonne of money though, is it? Clubs (and the entire filter effect), sponsors, broadcasters etc. etc. there a lot of hurdles to deal with here and further to that, the PL is the most monied, watched league in the world with more to lose than any other European league.
The plug will be plugged eventually, but there'll be objection to it by some some who stand to lose a lot of money. That's before we consider the football league itself, which is going to be in big trouble without assurances before bringing the shutters down.
Aye, me too mate, me too.
I understand it's probably based in studies, but the World has not seen a pandemic like this since the Spanish Flu - So you can't possibly have a full tested study over how people reacts on such a scale, under these circumstances.
30? Pffft, I'd gladly wait 100 years. But I guess I just care more about the public's health than you...
True, although its hard to judge the national mood about it at the moment. I run a bookshop, and we've barely even seen a dip in footfall, and customers have spent all day telling me about the foreign holidays they're definitely still going on, work they won't be missing to quarantine themselves etc. Individuals are not good at making good public health decisions - the very existence of anti-vaxers is proof of that.
I'm normally all for the interpretation that governments and organisations will always put money before all else. But the government are looking at a potentially 2008-level economic fallout from this pandemic, so the hit to the economy from cancelling the sporting events - even the entire remaining PL season - is a tiny drop in a very big bucket. And yet they have decided not to do it, and made a point of it in their statement. I think that suggests the experts think there is compelling science suggesting now is not a good time to do that.
Very true, I concede that.
Seriously who cares? It’s getting massively out of hand. Ridiculous decision by the Premier League not to suspend games before the Arteta announcement.
I know mate, 20 fecking points.
Well, he was in close contact with several of the Olympiakos players and staff that have passed him at any given point. Any of them could have infected him. It spread through tiny tiny droplets in the air.
Olympiakos played Wolverhampton tonight. If I was a betting man, that is the next team to announce a positive test.
You have incorrect information, mate. Let me share some data with you.
“Globally, about 3.4% of reported COVID-19 cases have died. By comparison, seasonal flu generally kills far fewer than 1% of those infected. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-death-rate/#who-03-03-20
The "far fewer than 1%" means 0.1 for US, for instance. According to CDC this season there were at most 49M flu infections in the US, out of which at most 52,000 died https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm
which means, with influenza the death rate is 52K/49M = 0.1% i.e. Corona is 34 times more deadly! By all indications it is way worse in elderly population, according to some reports reaching 15% mortality rate in people 70 or older.
Even bigger issue is the hospitalization rate. According to the same CDC data, only 1% of flu patients needed hospitalization. This is because our bodies are used to Influenza and most people also take seasonal flu vaccination shots. Corona is a new virus, with no antibodies and no vaccination. Therefore, a lot of people who get it need hospitalization. This is the biggest danger since no medical system, in any country is prepared for the volume, unless we slow the spread down. Which is why it is absolutely critical social distancing measures to be taken immediately.
Here's the infographic explaining the importance of social distancing and slowing the spread down:
Based on this evidence, your claim (which I am sure you've heard from others) that "it is just flu" is not only false, it is very dangerous. And we have a clear example how Italy turned into a horror-show by not taking threat seriously and not slowing spread. Their medical system is so overwhelmed, they do not even answer calls for people with pre-existing problems and people over 65 years old - just letting them die. How is that for - maybe taking things more seriously?
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I think we should remember that the medics believe that in a worst-case scenario up to 80% of the UK population could be infected with the virus so it is not really surprising that managers/players are amongst those getting it, as they can all catch it just like you or I. Even if the Premier League season was to be suspended (and I'm not necessarily saying it shouldn't be) then it's still likely quite a few people involved in football will get it at some point.
That's why nations have to make their own money. In a sain world, it would not be about finance or health. It would be about the good of the nation. Obv it's going to spread. Tom hanks started a trend
It's going to Liverpool anyway, even if they suspend and stop the league no one will have much of a right to complain about Liverpool getting the title.
Public health comes first, they should just stop the league as is.
Public health comes first, they should just stop the league as is.
I can understand your reasoning and the argument behind it. The science is very believable, even just using the misinformation floating around this thread alone as an example. But regardless, even if there's a small chance of reducing the flow of human traffic around the country I wish we would just take that chance. If canceling isn't going to make the situation worse but could potentially make it (even a little) better then just cancel
How were they allowed to play if the owner has tested positive and been in contact with players since? I really am starting to lose faith in humanity.
It really is this farcical isn't it