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Wouldn't be surprised if Pogba is sitting at home reading this thread, laughing like a mad man while doing a dance routine with his brothers 
People just don't like the fact that Pogba will do what he wants, he doesn't care if he will upset some immature, insecure "men" by wearing a shirt ffs. To him this is a showing of public solidarity, and probably one of the reasons EVERY colleague of his loves him. I can guarantee Matuidi would be very pleased to see this.
If it was a blank Real Madrid shirt then fine you could say it's silly, but it's his old club shirt with a friends name on. He CLEARLY states this is the reason he's doing it so who cares? at this point you should all put your pitch forks down but obviously you all need something to cling onto.
Sad people.
People just don't like the fact that Pogba will do what he wants, he doesn't care if he will upset some immature, insecure "men" by wearing a shirt ffs. To him this is a showing of public solidarity, and probably one of the reasons EVERY colleague of his loves him. I can guarantee Matuidi would be very pleased to see this.
If it was a blank Real Madrid shirt then fine you could say it's silly, but it's his old club shirt with a friends name on. He CLEARLY states this is the reason he's doing it so who cares? at this point you should all put your pitch forks down but obviously you all need something to cling onto.
Sad people.
feck me some of our fans are even worse than KPOP ones.
It's made me happy because I'm confident that Pogba will be leaving this summer.
Get rid of this fecking disease and his fanboys/man boys with him. He’s history. Balotelli was better at City.
contrast with Bruno... Reds moving on.
contrast with Bruno... Reds moving on.
The thing with Pogba is that he will always flirt with drama.
He could have shown the same level of support for his teammate wearing a France shirt, but of course he went with the Juve shirt because it has greater shock value.
He could have shown the same level of support for his teammate wearing a France shirt, but of course he went with the Juve shirt because it has greater shock value.
I woyuldn't rule it out except it's about the 5000th time he's done something like this or similar. It is exactly how a teenager behaves before they develop emotional maturity.
It's quite stark isn't it. The comparison of profile between him and someone like say, McTominay, Bruno, Fred, Maguire.
People defend what Pogba at any cost too, so whatever, I guess.
So you classify Pogba(or any other human being) as being somewhat immature or a child based on a video in which he chose to support his friend and wear his shirt, disregarding it is another club's?
This might get me banned but you're fecked up mate. How in the world can you create such a connection about a guy you know jack shit about, a guy who's a parent as well? I know it's a forum and everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but some of you folks get this to another level of stupidity.
Please expand on this ‘difference of profile’. Elaborate on it, as we may finally be closer to the root of the matter.
To be fair to noodle, here’s how a matured adult would behave if his friend gets sick: take out his/her phone, type a nice private message of support with a personal touch and send it over to said friend privately.
Ok maybe if you really want to show your support to him in a public sort of way, a good picture of said friend with maybe a “get well soon my friend” photo would do it.
But if you really really want to create some controversy or make it about yourself then yeah do what Pogba did - wear the shirt, show yourself training hard (because it’s not really about your friend but about you) and then clarify it in the captions.
Pogba does a bunch of silly shit that is harmless from a normal perspective but can be taken in the wrong way easily. He has no sense of social obligation towards his employer, which all footballers should have.
For example he would go out of his way to tell media he's not allowed to speak to them, just to cause a public stir. He would openly talk about not being happy after the first game week of am opening season. He would "accidently" mistimed posts, or post celebrity life on social media whilst injured. None of this is a crime and he has his own life, but as a football professional he doesn't think about the impact to his club and how it unsettles the team/manager in press conferences etc.
What's worst is his failure to muzzle his agent. Before everyone gave him a pass when he was young. Ferguson question Pogbas character directly, but he was defended by many with "oh he's 18". Now he's what 26/27? And he thinks it's fine for his agent to trash the club? Yeah, feck off you won't see that with the other profile of players I named.
Some of you guys literally are idiots or worse racist. There were 500+ people that died yesterday in Italy and pogbas good friend has the virus the guy shows a little support and yet the dogs are out. People need to get some fecking perspective. In the same video you have linderlof doing the same.
Dont care personally about this. I dont think he gives a sh*t about United anyway and not sure Id be bothered about this anyway. I just hope he is wearing the Juve shirt next season and we have received a good sum for him
I just gave you one example. One which happened multiple times. The reason it's always him who is being criticized is because it's always him who does things like that! None of our other players do that.
You have listed some events that have happened (and your interpretation of some others). But I still don’t understand what you mean by ‘profile’. Unless by that, you mean ‘high profile’. As in McTominay or some of the players you listed who are not courted by the best teams in the world will not discuss these matters basically. They don’t have these questions to field.
Are you aware of all comments made by Bruno or Fred - or by their agents - in the months preceding their moves to United? Do you think it was a secret that Bruno wanted to leave Sporting for example? Were there no comments to that effect?
If Pogba had no social obligation towards his employer his crime would not be what he has or hasn’t said to his agent. It would be about the things he comes out and says frequently himself. He wouldn’t say, when asked, that he can’t talk to the press. He would talk to them. I don’t recall him openly talking about not being happy a week into a season, but I will take your word for that. Him ‘posting celebrity stuff on Instagram’ is because he’s a fecking celebrity. Anyone being outraged by him posting other aspects of his life while injured are the ones with a problem. There’s no rule against that. It’s no secret as to why he’s not on the pitch. It just highlights again the emotional instability of others to have a problem with it. The same people who have no issue with Rashford doing the exact same thing.
I doubt he’s done much that his actual employers have had a problem with. Just microanalytical fans, who are a million miles away from the football world they are so obsessed with, so all they have are any crumbs of insight for them to go off and interpret. For managers and execs, who work with these young millionaires every day and are likely far more accustomed to their lifestyles, they are likely not so upset or even bother to microanalyse every media post.
In a scenario where a player is injured for months, who do you think has the problem here - the player that shows himself doing things (non-offensive things) he does in his non-football life, or the strangers that for some reason require all posts to be of the gym or training ground or whatever? Not conforming to that doesn’t make the player the villain. It makes those who require such fecking idiots if you ask me.
I think a lot of fans cannot see their own hypocrisy personally. How can an adult, in good conscience, ask another adult to not wear the shirt of a friend who has just been diagnosed with Corona from another team in his house because it will be construed as him disrespecting the other apparently grown men who support his team? And they call the player immature? Do you think Ole Solskjaer it angered that PP wore a Juve Matuidi shirt? Or do you think he doesn’t give a shit? Some fans need to take a step back from the media created football reality into real reality sometimes. They are doing themselves a disservice by being pissed off by some of the things they are seemingly pissed off about.
Really? You think Paul Pogba has no affection towards Manchester United? A club where he made his debut and has spent most of his career, and grew up?
I bet you don’t even think Cristiano Ronaldo ‘doesn’t give a shit about United’. The extent of this villainising is boundless.
Their exhausting agenda can't ever take a break even in times of crisis when a player is showing support for an affected friend (Lindelof is doing the very same thing but no one seems to give a feck).
Truly is ridiculous and the insecure grown 'men' getting worked up and obsessing over social media posts 24/7 will never cease to amaze me. Absolute rabid weirdos the lot of them
”Fans” in this thread starting to look just as bad as Liverpool fans Talking about the title. Acting all crazy because of a football jersey! Its just a Jersey, Nothing more!
”Fans” should just see the bigger picture here. Thousands of people gets sick or even did everyday now in Italy because of the Virus. One of his Juve mates (Matuidi) is sick. Please give this man a rest. Football is just a hobby compared to Corona epidemic.
”Fans” should just see the bigger picture here. Thousands of people gets sick or even did everyday now in Italy because of the Virus. One of his Juve mates (Matuidi) is sick. Please give this man a rest. Football is just a hobby compared to Corona epidemic.
Honestly no I don’t think he cares even a tiny bit. I think Pogba cares about Pogba, which is fair enough often successful people are like that. He wanted to come back as a stepping stone to Madrid thinking Mourinho guaranteed trophies. As soon as that changed he wanted out even getting his agent to tout him to City.
Not sure how much Ronaldo or Rooney care about United but they never disrespected the club like Pogba/Raiola.
I guess we all see what we want.
I for one can’t wait for him to sign a big new contract just to piss of the so called fans in this thread. I also wish he wears a Madrid shirt with Corona behind it tomorrow because he’s a virus after all so the grown men on here can lose their collective shit over it.
Looking forward to seeing him play again. He’s our best player and him and Bruno will destroy teams. Too many sad people here, always need something to complain about.
Get rid of him asap
He is what Fabio Capello and Julio Velasco calls: a negative leader
The first player to sell is him, along with Lingard and Pereira
He is what Fabio Capello and Julio Velasco calls: a negative leader
The first player to sell is him, along with Lingard and Pereira
Okay.
Because nobody ever defends McT, Bruno, or Maguire when they come under unfair criticism. Nuh uh.
Both clubs were willing to sell, and also, do you want to point out what their agents said, and how that is in any way comparable to what Raiola said? You are insinuating they were comparable quotes which lets be honest. They weren't. Raiola was a disrespectful cnut to a giant club and its laughable Pogba just sat silent, given an agent talks on behalf of his players.
He literally went out of his way to tell the press he's not allowed to talk to them. After Valencia if I'm not mistaken he went up to the press journalists waiting for post match interviews and told them "I''m not allowed to speak to you".
Post match vs Leicester, opening game of the season after winning the World Cup .
No one is outraged. But like every celebrity he will be judged when he makes his posts. It works both ways. If a manager publicly asks for his players to be more boring, and then shortly after certain players go out and post pics of shooting hoops whilst injured (not saying he's not injured, but doing that is just going to bring stupid attention and media stirr), then yes I think it's a case of him not thinking about the impact it has. Of course it isn't a crime, he can do what the feck he wants. But then we can also judge and think OK, McTominay was injured for months he never did this. Rashford I don't think has been quite so snappy causing a stirr while injured. Pogba isn't the only player to have a long term injury lay-off at our club, why is it only him that goes out and does this at at time where he has openly said he wanted to find a new challenge?
He's not a villain. No one called him one. I just said I'd rather not have his profile and prefer the likes of Bruno/Fed/McTominay/Maguire who are social enough but don't knowingly cause such a shit stir.
No one is asking that, or saying that. Rather we are curious as to what he achieves from choosing a club shirt from the club he's linked to (rather than the national shirt), at a time where speculation of him leaving the club is rife and where is agent is trying to force him out the club. He can wear what the feck he wants, I don't care. He can leave the club tomorrow, I won't care. I just find it interesting how in a long catalogue of Pogba related contraversies, he's faultless in every single one.
@VP89 You say he's shit stirring, but you and the other Pogba haters are LITERALLY the only ones talking about it? his agent has said there are no links back to Italy and they're actually thinking about a new contract.
If you want to read the papers and insist he wants to leave and rejoin Juve that's up to you, but he isn't he one actively saying that.
Do you think Pogba sits at home reading the sun and the other daily gossip mags? no chance he probably doesn't even realise what half you lot are complaining about.
To him wearing his friends shirt is nothing unusual, he wears basketball tops and NFL jerseys all the time. It's your issue, not his.
If you want to read the papers and insist he wants to leave and rejoin Juve that's up to you, but he isn't he one actively saying that.
Do you think Pogba sits at home reading the sun and the other daily gossip mags? no chance
he probably doesn't even realise what half you lot are complaining about.To him wearing his friends shirt is nothing unusual, he wears basketball tops and NFL jerseys all the time. It's your issue, not his.
It's not about him annoying people because he wore a Juve shirt. It's that he knows it'll add to the already constant furore around him. Purposely shit stirring is a little daft and not majorly professional. I'm not sure why people can't grasp that. It's not rage inducing nor is it agenda driven for most. It's just not a very likeable trait, hence why I can at least understand the backlash.
The reason why no one else has it aimed at them is because no one else is linked with a team whose shirt they're wearing after years of questionable performances and questionable attitude (perhaps in a large part often wrongly questioned) while taking up a big share of the wage budget. It's that he knows his dedication to United has been questioned in the past yet still chooses to do it. It's not terrible, and there are far worse things to worry about, but at least acknowledge why people might not be rushing out to get his name on the back of their shirt about it.
The reason why no one else has it aimed at them is because no one else is linked with a team whose shirt they're wearing after years of questionable performances and questionable attitude (perhaps in a large part often wrongly questioned) while taking up a big share of the wage budget. It's that he knows his dedication to United has been questioned in the past yet still chooses to do it. It's not terrible, and there are far worse things to worry about, but at least acknowledge why people might not be rushing out to get his name on the back of their shirt about it.
At this point he’s just trolling the club and the fans.
Players do it all the time too,in fact I remember the likes of Memphis and Zaha being praised by many fans for posting pics wearing old United shirts recently.@VP89 You say he's shit stirring, but you and the other Pogba haters are LITERALLY the only ones talking about it? his agent has said there are no links back to Italy and they're actually thinking about a new contract.
If you want to read the papers and insist he wants to leave and rejoin Juve that's up to you, but he isn't he one actively saying that.
Do you think Pogba sits at home reading the sun and the other daily gossip mags? no chance
To him wearing his friends shirt is nothing unusual, he wears basketball tops and NFL jerseys all the time. It's your issue, not his.
In this case it's to show support for an affected former teammate and friend but you know, Pogba-derangement syndrome is very much a thing
I wonder why Lindelof isn't receiving any shit for wearing another players shirt in the same video as well, is he not 'disrespecting' the club as well according to the warped logic in this thread?
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Sorry but I cannot understand it.. at all. If he wore a Juve shirt and did that expression that he made the day after Jose got the sack, with the words caption this! or no text at all, that is shit stirring. He literally explained why he wore the shirt and even included the bit where he knew how certain people would react. That's what surprises me about how some people still decided to react. It's like a dog chasing after a ball, it's in their natural instincts, and they can't help but react to their nature.
If Pogba had never played for Juventus and didn't openly love his former club, I would get the outrage. But a player wearing the shirt of a club that he loves, isn't exactly surprising or shocking.
Likely because there isnt a shitstorm about him wanting to leave the club
Pogba haters, really? Please, grow up.
His agent said a whirlwind load of shit prior to that to which Pogba didn't come out and distance himself. So many pundits, journalists and also ex players came out to ask why Pogba himself doesn't come out and clear it up. Is anyone that holds this view a Pogba hater?
I want to believe what him and Raiola say and Pogba's on words about his future is that he wants a new challenge. Juventus is just one of the names that may be interested, I don't give a feck about what club it is.
I literally said that I personally don't give a feck about what he wears. I can judge and compare his actions to other players how I like. That's my choice.
Really? What other clubs fans would not be offended if any ex-United player, who was also now their highest paid player, allowed himself to be photographed wearing a United shirt?
Pogba is slipping down the leader board of 'must have players' , this is totally designed to shock, both he and his agent know this. If this doesn't convince Ole and Ed to cash in on him, nothing will!
What is it with this guy?
This alone, is not bad, but its everytime something about him. He never wears a united-kit or anything united related in his clips and I think that pisses many people of.
This clip, isolated is fine, but its every damn clip. And he knows it. Why can't he wear a united-jersey when traning with a teammate? Why can't he ever do anything for United fans?
Weird guy Paul Pogba.
This alone, is not bad, but its everytime something about him. He never wears a united-kit or anything united related in his clips and I think that pisses many people of.
This clip, isolated is fine, but its every damn clip. And he knows it. Why can't he wear a united-jersey when traning with a teammate? Why can't he ever do anything for United fans?
Weird guy Paul Pogba.
Well most United fans don't give a damn, so I'm not sure why you try to look at other clubs fans. Just look a the majority of United fans.
I didn’t say they were or were not comparable. You mentioned them as more preferable ‘profile’ of players you like (of which I still don’t think you have clarified). The main difference I see in profile is simply them being ‘lower’ profile. What their agents spoke of was their willingness to move. It was well known and well reported in the media. As for ‘Pogba sat in silence’, it’s again childish to demand him to take the podium and release some sort of official statement denouncing his agent. His manager has been asked a number of times, he’s said ‘I speak to Paul in private’ etc - fans are not children and do not need a statement for everything. He’s contracted to the club, not them, and for me, Im
And your ‘long-list of Pogba controversies’ are not controversies. Who decides this list? I’m not even saying he’s faultless in this particular controversy, I’m saying the fact he wore a Matuidi Juve shirt is not a controversy in the first place. For those who have their narratives, they will take it, add it to their ‘lists’.
And I’m not sure what you mean about Rash being ‘less snappy’ during injury. He was at the Super Bowl in Miami on the weekend of our game, taking photos with celebs within two weeks of being injured. And despite his carefully constructed tweet (especially in the wake of the accusations levelled at Pogba during his injury) - I’ve not seen him at one game yet. I have no clue what McTominay did while injured, and nobody cares either. Nobody would care if he was in Dubai, just as nobIsy cares that Rashford went to Miami. Scott may not have gone abroad, simply because he didn’t go abroad. Not every player will go abroad when injured. Enough of them have done for it to be acknowledged that some players go abroad.
Again, I don’t recall Pogba announcing he was unhappy at United after the Leicester game. I do remember him expressing his feelings about us playing defensively, but if you say he also expressed his unhappiness I again take your word for it.
For me, the issue is that fans are overanalytical and seem to treat football like WWE, and are fixated on some sort of storyline with goodies and baddies. Even the on field stuff is over analysed with everyone becoming professors on exactly what pass should be played when, where a player should move, ‘expected goal’ this and that. Players don’t ask to be part of a plot, outside of the pitch they live their lives. He could have worn a France shirt. He could have worn a Juventus one. Those are the two options. He might not even have a France shirt with Matuidi on in the house. I suspect if McTominay has contracted Corona, he’d have worn a United shirt, and not a Scotland one. The fact it’s even a conversation, where people feel entitled to input on how exactly his gesture should have been presented is ridiculous, and again, some fans would do well to step back into the real world for a bit.
Moreso likely that people aren't as willing to overlook context entirely so easily with one player compared to the other