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All this talk about giving Pogba a free role is concerning. Despite his talent, he's a player with a serious attitude problem. You can't just reward a player like that with a role that requires a good attitude.
Hoping for a fully committed Pogba (over a longer period), is like hoping for an elphant to fly. Its just want happend. Sad : (What We understand so far :
If He continues his career at ManUnited, We need to understand all of the above, and play him according to his mode. Raiola seems to know about this better than anyone so it's better for Ole to ask him before every game, the Pogba whisperer.
- Airplane mode Pogba will never play
- Half arsed Pogba is worse than Phil Jones in midfield
- But fully arsed Pogba is almost prime Iniesta
O : "Hey you fat man, what's his mode for tomorrow?"
R : "It's half arsed mode, boss"
Plays BFS
O : "Hey you fat man, what's his mode for tomorrow?"
R : "He's on a plane, boss"
Plays BFS
O : "Hey you fat man, what's his mode for tomorrow?"
R : "He's raring to go, had a haircut, coloured it Red and had been playing Glory Glory ManUnited in his room, boss"
Plays BPS
Much as I like Fred I just can't see him and Pogba forming a great partnership. I don't know why, maybe I'm just thinking of Pogba jumping on Fred's back at the slightest feck up when they played together when Fred first joined. Hope to be wrong of course, as that would be a terrific flowing midfield if they all clicked, but I just feel like McTominay is mentally tougher than Fred and would maybe be the better partner for Pogba.I thought he would leave for certain this summer, but now I think there will be very little transfer activity and he will stay.
If he plays at his best, then it has to be Fernandes, Pogba and Fred. That midfield should dominate sufficient possession and be creative enough to counter the weaker defensive side.
We have two great defenders at wing back to counteract the defensive weakness, anyway.
The technical ability across that midfield should create flowing and intricate play. It should no doubt be great to watch.
This would work against the majority of teams.
Is he allowed to include penalties ?Much as I like Fred I just can't see him and Pogba forming a great partnership. I don't know why, maybe I'm just thinking of Pogba jumping on Fred's back at the slightest feck up when they played together when Fred first joined. Hope to be wrong of course, as that would be a terrific flowing midfield if they all clicked, but I just feel like McTominay is mentally tougher than Fred and would maybe be the better partner for Pogba.
On the other hand, I very much hope Pogba doesn't just walk back into the team over either of Pastor Fred or McT until he's shown with his attitude and performance that he deserves it. He's clearly a level above almost any midfielder in the world in terms of talent but that doesn't give him the right to waltz in and out of the team as he sees fit. He's got to be either a team player or he's got to put up better numbers than Fernandes, simple as that.
Given how he was playing before his injury, Rashford doesn't so much fit back into the team as the team fits back around Rashford. Anyway that's easy enough, he's on the left of a front three.Looks like people have been forgetting Rashford, we'll soon need to fit Pogba and Rashford back in.
Yes I agree, which means a three midfield, which leaves some of the suggestions made so far redundant. So a midfield of Poggy and Bruno with a more defensive man behind. We need the energy of Fred or McTom there, I know people say they 'can't' do it but we'll see, players can learn, and some of the best learn well. If neither of them can shape up to that then it will be Matic until we can buy someone else. Fred and McTom would still cover for Poggy and Bruno.Given how he was playing before his injury, Rashford doesn't so much fit back into the team as the team fits back around Rashford. Anyway that's easy enough, he's on the left of a front three.
I don't know that I'd say they can't do it, just that it might not be preferable in the long run, so we should try and sign a DM. But I'm certainly keen to see them try it, and it will be good for Fred and McT to be each other's competition for one spot now and again, so they'll keep each other honest.Yes I agree, which means a three midfield, which leaves some of the suggestions made so far redundant. So a midfield of Poggy and Bruno with a more defensive man behind. We need the energy of Fred or McTom there, I know people say they 'can't' do it but we'll see, players can learn, and some of the best learn well. If neither of them can shape up to that then it will be Matic until we can buy someone else. Fred and McTom would still cover for Poggy and Bruno.
The thing is Pep is a master at organizing a midfield and possession play, in a team like ours that's mostly a counter attacking team I think we'd still need a more defensive player to hold it down especially if we are going to allow Bruno and Pogba to join the attack as they like to.Was City targeting Fred all a rumour? Wasn't he supposed to be bought to replace Fernandinho and play behind Silva and De Bryune
Sir Alex disagree with you. You clearly haven't understood why most people want him gone.Some days I hope people reread the nonsenses they write and realize what dumb vitriols they write on internet platforms.
These same people who make idiotic posts are the very same ones always moaning about as not improving us a team and performing at the highest level.
You see people make dumb comments such as "let's get rid of Pogba, Scott will bench him etc" then they'll later moan about how we lack quality when we rightfully get ran over by a superior team.
In order to improve, as a team we need to add quality on top of any quality we have, not replace them. How hard is this to grasp? It's always the same dumb posts on the Caf.
"McTomminay should bench Pogba, sell him to Madrid" , "Replace Martial with Ighalo" , "We have Bruno now so we don't need Pogba anymore" etc. The very same stupid statements over and over. Can't shake my head enough.
Lets see though. There was an interview where the interviewer labelled our team as counter attacking. Ole replied that he wants us to be more possession based, which we usually are against smaller sidesThe thing is Pep is a master at organizing a midfield and possession play, in a team like ours that's mostly a counter attacking team I think we'd still need a more defensive player to hold it down especially if we are going to allow Bruno and Pogba to join the attack as they like to.
Thing with Ole is he doesn't know how to break down smaller teams.Lets see though. There was an interview where the interviewer labelled our team as counter attacking. Ole replied that he wants us to be more possession based, which we usually are against smaller sides
Not my workSlaphead Pogba.
I play with Fred behind Bruno and Pogba for both PES and FIFA. In PES, they are amazing, but naturally, Fred roams forward a lot and it does create a problem ....Bruno..
Fred...Pogba
Tried this out on fifa. Fred defended better as left DM while Pogba is more comfortable playing some silky long passes as the right DM with Bruno doing his thing up front.
Such a disrespect here... sure. He was also calling Fergie every day when he had a possession oriented champion team at Molde for his first titles. Before he decided to change the style there too after losing a couple of key players? Yeah...Thing with Ole is he doesn't know how to break down smaller teams.
I'm sure though he's having weekly chats with Fergie on this and what's lacking in the team.
The only reason it seems difficult to consider right now is because Fred earns the ball very high on the pitch sometimes, so we think we need to compensate for that. But that can surely be fixed through training. Especially with a player like Bruno who is mindful of the situation on the pitch and acts accordingly.The thing is Pep is a master at organizing a midfield and possession play, in a team like ours that's mostly a counter attacking team I think we'd still need a more defensive player to hold it down especially if we are going to allow Bruno and Pogba to join the attack as they like to.
Well he has to do something even fred questioned his management. He's out of depth.Such a disrespect here... sure. He was also calling Fergie every day when he had a possession oriented champion team at Molde for his first titles. Before he decided to change the style there too after losing a couple of key players? Yeah...
Are you a troll? Fred had that interview in Portuguese. Many things can happen when translated, and it might have been a miscommunication for all we know.Well he has to do something even fred questioned his management. He's out of depth.
Yep. But alot of people are hammering on Grealish to replace Pogba instead of a CDMHe doesn't. Bruno has looked great as the most advanced of a midfield 3, which is exactly where Pogba is at his best. He can't play deeper as part of a two-man midfield in front of the defenders - he lacks the defensive nous and discipline, makes too many errors and he visibly hates it too. We all used to moan about his talents being wasted there. Bruno is his replacement, it's clear as day, we're just waiting for someone to make a reasonable bid for Pogba and we'll then sign a dedicated CDM.
Bruno is not necessarily a Pogba replacement. Pogba has been playing deeper, why play him upfront all of sudden? Pogba plays the role he plays for France right now, so that's fine. We just need a Kante. Can that be Fred, Matic, Scott, whoever? In some games, we may double up the midfield and remove a striker, but that's about it.He doesn't. Bruno has looked great as the most advanced of a midfield 3, which is exactly where Pogba is at his best. He can't play deeper as part of a two-man midfield in front of the defenders - he lacks the defensive nous and discipline, makes too many errors and he visibly hates it too. We all used to moan about his talents being wasted there. Bruno is his replacement, it's clear as day, we're just waiting for someone to make a reasonable bid for Pogba and we'll then sign a dedicated CDM.
I think this too. I would like Grealish on the right midfielder that comes inside. His dribbling ability and pace will provide the threat Mata can no longer give us. I would actually prefer this to us signing Sancho as it would be much cheaper with him providing similar to higher levels of creativity. Rashford is a wide forward and in our system is essentially a second striker who comes in from the left. Similar to Neymar at Barca, Ronaldo at Real or Henry at Barca. If we can get Grealish into a Di Maria role, where he creates from the right, we would have a lot of creativity supporting Martial/New Striker and Rashford.He doesn't. Bruno has looked great as the most advanced of a midfield 3, which is exactly where Pogba is at his best. He can't play deeper as part of a two-man midfield in front of the defenders - he lacks the defensive nous and discipline, makes too many errors and he visibly hates it too. We all used to moan about his talents being wasted there. Bruno is his replacement, it's clear as day, we're just waiting for someone to make a reasonable bid for Pogba and we'll then sign a dedicated CDM.
You are right. Don't think Ole sees Bruno replacement one bit. Look at who even though fit were not even making the match day squads, Lingard and Perreira, the two at the start of the season that were playing where Bruno has been. Pogba will fit in the second midfielder role that he was at the start of the season.Bruno is not necessarily a Pogba replacement. Pogba has been playing deeper, why play him upfront all of sudden? Pogba plays the role he plays for France right now, so that's fine. We just need a Kante. Can that be Fred, Matic, Scott, whoever? In some games, we may double up the midfield and remove a striker, but that's about it.
My feeling is that Pogba is Pogba, Fred/Matic/Scott will be our Kante, Bruno is a bit like Griezmann, creating.
Martial is a way better false 9 then Giroud and combines with Bruno, Rashford is the left forward, and we need someone on the right, but until then, it's James to play more for his pressing activity. And if Sancho comes, it will be interesting.
To recap (initial line up, sub)
CF: Martial, Ighalo
LW: Rashford, James
RW: Sancho, Greenwood
CAM: Bruno, Mejbri?, this dude Bellingham we seem to go crazy about?
CM: Pogba, Scott
DM: Fred, Matic
Why not?
The one thing I do not doubt one second with Ole is that he's really good at being creative with the line up. He successfully transitioned multiple formations to cope with the injuries, and it's paying off now. So if anything, he will have a clear idea on how to play with those players. That's not something all managers can do. We should feel lucky.