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He's got most MPs onside, strong union support and had more members vote for him than Corbyn in 2015. There'll always be criticism, but his backing is widespread so it shouldn't be too much of an issue in the short term.Thought he might unite the party, but some of the hard left are out in force on Twitter bemoaning that this is a return to New Labour.
Which is mostly bullshit, he's more radical than Blair or Brown but for some momentum types, he's too far from the hard left.
But tell us how you really feel.Strong name and isn’t a skinny old guy so hopefully those who can’t look past that can get behind him. Wonder what the Tories will come to with about him.
Doubt he’ll get the following Corbyn got from those that did love him but perhaps his less idealistic views are what’s needed for the self-harming working class populace.
Oh right. Nah, that was just a typo. Knew it was Keir but typed it as if it was the start of Kieran.Nah sorry I thought for second it was Kier not Keir as per thread title. Thought had it wrong this whole time.
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Big one for Nandy, that was rumoured to be going to Jo Stevens. Would be smart to keep Long-Bailey in the shadow business & energy role given she based a lot of her leadership bid around green policy.Tweet
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A shadow cabinet when the next election is five years away? Is this standard practise in the UK? What is the point of that?Tweet
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Basically sets the stall out in terms of party direction before a manifesto is drawn up. For example Reeves doesn't want Labour to be the party of the out of work and thinks immigration must be curbed or communities will explode, so you can expect an attempt to win back the North through thinly veiled racism and attacks on scrounging benefit claimants.A shadow cabinet when the next election is five years away? Is this standard practise in the UK? What is the point of that?
Yeah this is normal - basically the Shadow is responsible for providing the opposition's take on issues in the remit of the ministry they are shadowing, and then critiquing, scrutinising the minister etc. So you can sometimes get a feel for where the opposition is steering towards politically by the sort of person they put in these roles as they will be setting the agenda.A shadow cabinet when the next election is five years away? Is this standard practise in the UK? What is the point of that?
It's standardA shadow cabinet when the next election is five years away? Is this standard practise in the UK? What is the point of that?
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They backed Rayner to win the deputy leadership.Corbyn's candidates got 27% and 17% in the first round.
Long-Bailey got just 650 votes (5%) and Nandy's 2,128 (16.3%) to Starmer's 10,228 (78.6%)
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On what planet do Momentum think they have any mandate 'to hold Starmer to account' or that Starmer mandate is to 'build upon Corbyn's mandate'?!
Utter delusion from these idiots who got their asses spanked by Labour members.
At some point, I think Starmer should officially divorce Labour from Momentum. Let them start another party if they must, but I personally don't want them to have any influence going forward.
Their relevance is diminished but their numbers aren't insignificant.Corbyn's candidates got 27% and 17% in the first round.
Long-Bailey got just 650 votes (5%) and Nandy's 2,128 (16.3%) to Starmer's 10,228 (78.6%)
And yet ...
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On what planet do Momentum think they have any mandate 'to hold Starmer to account' or that Starmer mandate is to 'build upon Corbyn's mandate'?!
Utter delusion from these idiots who got their asses spanked by Labour members.
At some point, I think Starmer should officially divorce Labour from Momentum. Let them start another party if they must, but I personally don't want them to have any influence going forward.
I thought Respect is finished? Galloway founded another party right after his abysmal performance in December.Their relevance is diminished but their numbers aren't insignificant.
Although there are some on Twitter suggesting Momentum should just merge with the Respect Party now.
Sorry, my mistake it's his new 'Worker's party' that I was referring to actually. Although I don't think anybody seriously thinks Momentum will split from Labour.I thought Respect is finished? Galloway founded another party right after his abysmal performance in December.
I think Kier will treat them respectfully and continue to engage with them. But it seems unlikely they'll have influence at the highest level any more. "Holding Starmer to account" sounds awfully like an excuse for the endless carping that the (latter day) LRC and others have been engaging in for decades while achieving nothing. Momentum need to find a new raison d'être or they'll slowly diminish into irrelevance. Trouble is, its pretty hard to see what that could be.Their relevance is diminished but their numbers aren't insignificant.
Although there are some on Twitter suggesting Momentum should just merge with the Respect Party now.
That would involve them being put to the back of certain queues and not just TescoBut tell us how you really feel.
A big part of Corbyns failure was not having the balls to deselect the Blairites and the voices of dissent against him. If Starmer can't handle Momentum ruthlessly - he'll go the same way.Corbyn's candidates got 27% and 17% in the first round.
Long-Bailey got just 650 votes (5%) and Nandy's 2,128 (16.3%) to Starmer's 10,228 (78.6%)
And yet ...
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On what planet do Momentum think they have any mandate 'to hold Starmer to account' or that Starmer mandate is to 'build upon Corbyn's mandate'?!
Utter delusion from these idiots who got their asses spanked by Labour members.
At some point, I think Starmer should officially divorce Labour from Momentum. Let them start another party if they must, but I personally don't want them to have any influence going forward.
That would involve them being put to the back of certain queues and not just Tesco
If he got rid of the centrists from his Shadow Cabinet, they would have done even worse. Corbyn didn't come across as electable, he was surrounded by ultra left wing like Momentum and Ian Lavery which didn't help. Labour need to find a way to balance centre and left. Corbyn's shadow cabinet - McDonnell, Abbot etc didnt inspire confidence and now his supporters look for excuses instead of his own failures.A big part of Corbyns failure was not having the balls to deselect the Blairites and the voices of dissent against him. If Starmer can't handle Momentum ruthlessly - he'll go the same way.
You can’t mention Jez’s heavyweight shadow cabinet without mentioning the BurgonIf he got rid of the centrists from his Shadow Cabinet, they would have done even worse. Corbyn didn't come across as electable, he was surrounded by ultra left wing like Momentum and Ian Lavery which didn't help. Labour need to find a way to balance centre and left. Corbyn's shadow cabinet - McDonnell, Abbot etc didnt inspire confidence and now his supporters look for excuses instead of his own failures.
Hopefully Starmer can get them on a better footing.
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I find him endearing in some sort of way but he seems to live in his own little world and has become a figure of ridicule because of it.Now a backbencher once again
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Nobody in Starmer's Labour is going to be talking about 'smears', given their reaction to that word for the last 4 years.Anyone else feel electing a Labour leader this early is going to play to the Tory advantage? That's 5 full years of a smear campaign against him.
the conservatives can just ignore the Labour Party - they have huge majority and labour are in complete disarray. The Tories will get on with the job on running the country and only need to think about an election in 3.5 years time. Will labour have got their shit together by then? Doubtful.Anyone else feel electing a Labour leader this early is going to play to the Tory advantage? That's 5 full years of a smear campaign against him.