Would you sell Pogba to finance a deal for Sancho?

[Scholsey2004]

Bruno plays there can be a waste. The guy can score goals and make assist to win us a game, why playing him deep.

Pereira was that bad that Ole had to play Bruno in there instead of Pereira against Wolves. Garner isn't not ready yet, Garner's time will come when Matic's time is up.

I mean Bruno can play there if needed in the absence of other players. I think Fred and McTominay have done well as a pairing this season so I'm not especially worried about the position anyway but Juventus do seem to have a few decent midfielders that might be available for part-exchange at a push. Either Pjanic or Ramsey would be good signings for competition.

 

[UNITED ACADEMY]

I mean Bruno can play there if needed in the absence of other players. I think Fred and McTominay have done well as a pairing this season so I'm not especially worried about the position anyway but Juventus do seem to have a few decent midfielders that might be available for part-exchange at a push. Either Pjanic or Ramsey would be good signings for competition.

And who's going to play in Bruno's original spot then?

The idea of this thread is selling Pogba for cash to get Sancho. Not trying to do exchange.

Leaving only 3 options for 2 double pivot role is not a smart idea. Bruno can be used only for emergency as 5th option.

 

[Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber]

Absolutely agree. But if it were an either or between Pogba and Sancho, for Pogba, we do have a replacement in Bruno. But in Sancho's position, we have Daniel James. And it's clear as day in which position we would get a more incremental qualitative addition.

Mind you, I'm hoping for the best case where Pogba declares his loyalty to United, signs an extension, gels perfectly with Bruno and we sign Sancho who hits the ground running. However, I'm way too pessimistic to see all those things actually happening. Plus there is also the option of replacing Pogba with a cheaper midfielder who would definitely be a downgrade but doesn't have to be first choice necessarily.

The worst case is that we don't sign Sancho and are stuck with an uncommitted Pogba for another year while trying to find a buyer for him or trying to get him to sign a deal for crazy money.

It matters not how its put swapping is a dumb idea. You simply gain nothing whilst strengthening rivals in europe because you merely exchange one strength for a huge weakness. The better solution is FIRST buy Pogba's replacement, THEN sell him and that should have NO bearing on recruiting a winger like Sancho.

 

[Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber]

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Why do people on here keep pretending to themselves he's happy and wants to stay? We all know he's not.

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Talk of a massive red herring. Pogba being happy or not is irrelevant to the fact Bruno is no replacement in any shape or form. He is in fact a solution to a problem that in all likely hood has been the biggest source of Pogga's beef with United being the only top end creative central playing midfielder in our squad. On of the biggest reasons for our failure to be very competitive.

Thus swapping a Pogba for a winger like Sancho simply repeats the problem again and leaves us with a Bruno as the ONLY top end creator in our midfield. with the slow woodward helming our transfers. Meaning by the time the clown replace a Pogba, Bruno and a Sancho would probably be ready to jump ship to as a result of the lack of success...

 

[dal]

Yes. As a direct replacement regardless of any other transfers.

Sancho can play on the right and Id imagine he could do a job in the hole also.

This direct “swap” would improve us, no doubt.

 

[Nou_Camp99]

Talk of a massive red herring. Pogba being happy or not is irrelevant to the fact Bruno is no replacement in any shape or form. He is in fact a solution to a problem that in all likely hood has been the biggest source of Pogga's beef with United being the only top end creative central playing midfielder in our squad. On of the biggest reasons for our failure to be very competitive.

Thus swapping a Pogba for a winger like Sancho simply repeats the problem again and leaves us with a Bruno as the ONLY top end creator in our midfield. with the slow woodward helming our transfers. Meaning by the time the clown replace a Pogba, Bruno and a Sancho would probably be ready to jump ship to as a result of the lack of success...

So you think we signed Bruno in January window to partner him even though he's running his contract down, has said he wants out and after we'd already spent about 140m in the summer too?

Im sorry but I just don't see what you lot are. It's delusional. If he had his own way this summer what would happen? If you think it would be staying here then you're off your medication.

It won't be like losing Ronaldo or Rooney either. They were both world class players. Pogba hasn't been world class for us.

 

[dal]

It matters not how its put swapping is a dumb idea. You simply gain nothing whilst strengthening rivals in europe because you merely exchange one strength for a huge weakness. The better solution is FIRST buy Pogba's replacement, THEN sell him and that should have NO bearing on recruiting a winger like Sancho.

I think the question was hypothetical. If this scenario existed and you could do this, would you do it?

Regarding the current economic situation and the potential PR with regards to large transfer fees I suspect however bizarre and unrealistic this may sound that a transfer like this may involve a super agent and maybe a 3 club swap.

pogba > madrid
Someone from madrid > Dortmund
Sancho > Man Utd
Including an exchange of money somewhere

I mean the above contains too many variables so is very unrealistic but if needs must usual processes can change.

 

[norm87cro]

As much as I dislke Pogba no I wouldn't. Selling a midfielder to get a winger/striker wouldn't make our squad stronger. It would be the same as getting Maguire after selling Lukaku. Getting stronger on one position of the pitch but weaker on another one. Getting Grealish + Sancho is a different story. And if Covid 19 has really influenced the market as people suggest we must look for a midfielder + cash type of deal if we should get rid of Pogba.

 

[Nickelodeon]

It matters not how its put swapping is a dumb idea. You simply gain nothing whilst strengthening rivals in europe because you merely exchange one strength for a huge weakness. The better solution is FIRST buy Pogba's replacement, THEN sell him and that should have NO bearing on recruiting a winger like Sancho.

In theory, everyone here agrees with the premise that we all would rather have Pogba, Bruno and Sancho in the same team. But there is a reason why this discussion is happening. If finances are tight and we cannot afford to buy Sancho, should we sell Pogba to free up funds? Or should we avoid signing Sancho and stick with Pogba. It essentially creates an either Pogba or Sancho hypothetical situation purely due to the financial angle of it.

Talk of a massive red herring. Pogba being happy or not is irrelevant to the fact Bruno is no replacement in any shape or form. He is in fact a solution to a problem that in all likely hood has been the biggest source of Pogga's beef with United being the only top end creative central playing midfielder in our squad. On of the biggest reasons for our failure to be very competitive.

Thus swapping a Pogba for a winger like Sancho simply repeats the problem again and leaves us with a Bruno as the ONLY top end creator in our midfield. with the slow woodward helming our transfers. Meaning by the time the clown replace a Pogba, Bruno and a Sancho would probably be ready to jump ship to as a result of the lack of success...

I'm sorry but you sound like a big Pogba apologist. Why the f*ck would Pogba have a beef with United right now? We have bought him for a world record fee for him to be a solution rather than "having beef with the club". If he were doing his best and giving world class performances, his opinions would be understandable. But the club and the fans should actually be calling him out rather than the other way around. Pogba, his agent and his family all have been making direct and indirect comments that he wants to leave. Meanwhile, the team is struggling and his only contribution has been creating all the off-field issues.

If Pogba or his entourage continue to make such statements, then I'd rather we sell him and buy Sancho plus another midfielder for the squad.

 

[Nou_Camp99]

I honestly think because Pogba was still at the club when Bruno signed people immediately think they were to be paired up. But remember he wasn't fit and wasn't likely to play many more games this season anyway.

Genuinely still feel Bruno was signed to soften the blow of Pogba going this summer. Although due to covid he may not be able to. Don't think he's staying because he wants to.

 

[RedRonaldo]

Honestly, although selling Pogba to fund another player is not ideal, I'd still do it.
Sancho is perfect for us, whereas Pogba, you never know how is his commitment to the club,

 

[VP89]

As much as I dislke Pogba no I wouldn't. Selling a midfielder to get a winger/striker wouldn't make our squad stronger. It would be the same as getting Maguire after selling Lukaku. Getting stronger on one position of the pitch but weaker on another one. Getting Grealish + Sancho is a different story. And if Covid 19 has really influenced the market as people suggest we must look for a midfielder + cash type of deal if we should get rid of Pogba.

We haven't had a right winger for what, 8 years, and you say that finally signing a right winger who is world class wouldn't make our squad stronger - really? Sure it's at the cost of a very talented midfielder, but we already have Bruno/Fred/McTominay/Matic with Mejbri on the periphery. Of course there is a preference to replace Pogba with another midfielder, but losing one talented midfielder (where we are better stocked) for a talented right winger (where we have no stock) certainly makes our squad more balanced.

 

[norm87cro]

We haven't had a right winger for what, 8 years, and you say that finally signing a right winger who is world class wouldn't make our squad stronger - really?

Well no because we would be getting rid of a very talented midfielder in this scenario.

 

[VP89]

Well no because we would be getting rid of a very talented midfielder in this scenario.

We are far better stocked in midfield and not stocked at all for the right wing, so how on earth does that make us weaker?

 

[TheLord]

Yes, a no-brainer!
Replacing an over-hyped, overrated, pompous disinterested prick with a youngster with enormous potential is a no-brainer.

 

[Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber]

In theory, everyone here agrees with the premise that we all would rather have Pogba, Bruno and Sancho in the same team. But there is a reason why this discussion is happening. If finances are tight and we cannot afford to buy Sancho, should we sell Pogba to free up funds? Or should we avoid signing Sancho and stick with Pogba. It essentially creates an either Pogba or Sancho hypothetical situation purely due to the financial angle of it.

You just don't get it .....

We have enough squad players on the books who we don't really need, and can sell for decent profit instead of the rubbish give away prices we usually take, to add to already existing transfer funds to get money to buy a Sancho.

The notion that we have to sell a Pogba to "raise funds" to sign a Sancho is just frankly stupid. If we sale a Pogba at all, it should be to buy a direct replacement in the same position then we can use extra funds if we saved money on it else where. Not to buy a player who operates in an entirely different position as a result of selling him.

To do that is like selling your back tire to fund the purchase of your front tire.

I'm sorry but you sound like a big Pogba apologist.

Wrong. Whilst I'm not sorry to say you sound like Pogba hater whose distaste for the player is clouding your judgment and blinding you to what is best for United.

Why the f*ck would Pogba have a beef with United right now?

Why the 'feck' wouldn't he? He has had a clique of old boys of United, so called United fans like your self and all of punditry daily abusing him, calling into question his professionalism, his work ethic, his commitment, even his very ability as a player. Not to mention regularly dismissing his efforts for United as a player. Being regularly blamed for a failure by a club that refused to get him proper support in his role for the team, up until the cheque book was finaly opened for Bruno. Not to mention the fact it's not his fault it has been so badly managed off field under Woodward's directionless regime. Being told regularly to "prove himself/ his commitment'
from a constant shifting of goal posts as to what constitutes "performing well", to supposedly 'reining in his agent' like anyone can control freaking Raiola.

Let's not forget that even after he got injured badly playing through the pain barrier this season and was set to sit out for months, he still has been accused of supposedly just sitting out because 'he just doesn't want to play for United more because he wants selfishly out'....

If you think he has NO reason to be unhappy at United on some level. Just because we bought him for high fees and pay him well. Yet the club is unsuccessful and he is the regular acaoe goat for that. You really are naive in the extreme....

We have bought him for a world record fee for him to be a solution rather than "having beef with the club". If he were doing his best and giving world class performances, his opinions would be understandable......

Utter bullshit. Nothing he does is EVER good enough for the likes of you. Since he arrived here he has been the club's best midfielder, top scorer from midfield, top creator and assistor by some distance. Every damned season till Bruno's recent arrival. But the regular trope is trotted out that 'he doesn't give world class performances on the regular' and he is supposedly 'whats wrong with United'

The problem with the likes of you is you want to make every damn thing about Pogba!


One shouldn't have to freaking care for Pogba at all to understand that United have had issues for years with having only one top end creative center midfielder on the books in Pogba. So now that Bruno was bought the club has 2! That weakness s FINALLY solved

Yet thus, now that Bruno has been added to solve that issue, for anyone to suggest it's remotely GOOD for United to then exchange our second top end central creative midfield player (feck whether his happy or not) to instead acquire a top end winger is frankly the height of world class stupidity.


It means you are more concerned with getting rid of a pogba than the actually long term success of United. Because if you DID want United to succeed. You'd rather seek to see a Pogba is replaced FIRST, so that the adding of if at all of a Sancho would be taking United from strength to strength. Rather than inventing a weakness whilst trying to add a strength.
If you can't understand something that blatantly obvious. You will frankly never understand...

 

[laughtersassassin]

Selling Pogba is fine if we replace him. But not with Sancho.

We haven't owned a right winger since Nani. Sancho should be bought regardless if the Pogba situation. No excuses.

If Pogba goes that money should be funding someone else like a DM or Grealish or whoever.

But a hypothetical that saw us lose Pogba and sign say only Sancho and Igalho this summer would be extremely poor from United.

Even the fans that hate Pogba should recognise this.

 

[JakeTheRed]

If Pogba isn't mentally invested in United, he should go, regardless. On the contrary, if he actually wants to stay and become a winner at United then he absolutely has the capabilities to do so.

In my opinion, if Pogba goes, we should be in for Sancho. I also believe that if Pogba stays, we should be in for Sancho.

If Pogba was to go, that would give us finances to potentially strengthen in other areas. I do believe that we aren't as far away as others see us in regards to challenging for the title. Sancho, a striker, a partner for Maguire, another CM and potentially a left back. That's five signings. Now I don't think that's going to happen in the 2020/2021 season, but I do see it being feasible in the 2021/2022 season.

If Pogba was to stay, then we would only need four signings and he would also boost our team drastically (if he is here mentally). Pogba is a player that can change games.

I myself am quite confident we can land Sancho and I think he would be a fantastic addition to our squad for the foreseeable future. What are others opinions? Do you think we are likely to get him? If we don't, who would be your other option?

 

[Nickelodeon]

You just don't get it .....

We have enough squad players on the books who we don't really need, and can sell for decent profit instead of the rubbish give away prices we usually take, to add to already existing transfer funds to get money to buy a Sancho.

The notion that we have to sell a Pogba to "raise funds" to sign a Sancho is just frankly stupid. If we sale a Pogba at all, it should be to buy a direct replacement in the same position then we can use extra funds if we saved money on it else where. Not to buy a player who operates in an entirely different position as a result of selling him.

To do that is like selling your back tire to fund the purchase of your front tire.



Wrong. Whilst I'm not sorry to say you sound like Pogba hater whose distaste for the player is clouding your judgment and blinding you to what is best for United.



Why the 'feck' wouldn't he? He has had a clique of old boys of United, so called United fans like your self and all of punditry daily abusing him, calling into question his professionalism, his work ethic, his commitment, even his very ability as a player. Not to mention regularly dismissing his efforts for United as a player. Being regularly blamed for a failure by a club that refused to get him proper support in his role for the team, up until the cheque book was finaly opened for Bruno. Not to mention the fact it's not his fault it has been so badly managed off field under Woodward's directionless regime. Being told regularly to "prove himself/ his commitment'
from a constant shifting of goal posts as to what constitutes "performing well", to supposedly 'reining in his agent' like anyone can control freaking Raiola.

Let's not forget that even after he got injured badly playing through the pain barrier this season and was set to sit out for months, he still has been accused of supposedly just sitting out because 'he just doesn't want to play for United more because he wants selfishly out'....

If you think he has NO reason to be unhappy at United on some level. Just because we bought him for high fees and pay him well. Yet the club is unsuccessful and he is the regular acaoe goat for that. You really are naive in the extreme....


Utter bullshit. Nothing he does is EVER good enough for the likes of you. Since he arrived here he has been the club's best midfielder, top scorer from midfield, top creator and assistor by some distance. Every damned season till Bruno's recent arrival. But the regular trope is trotted out that 'he doesn't give world class performances on the regular' and he is supposedly 'whats wrong with United'

The problem with the likes of you is you want to make every damn thing about Pogba!


One shouldn't have to freaking care for Pogba at all to understand that United have had issues for years with having only one top end creative center midfielder on the books in Pogba. So now that Bruno was bought the club has 2! That weakness s FINALLY solved

Yet thus, now that Bruno has been added to solve that issue, for anyone to suggest it's remotely GOOD for United to then exchange our second top end central creative midfield player (feck whether his happy or not) to instead acquire a top end winger is frankly the height of world class stupidity.


It means you are more concerned with getting rid of a pogba than the actually long term success of United. Because if you DID want United to succeed. You'd rather seek to see a Pogba is replaced FIRST, so that the adding of if at all of a Sancho would be taking United from strength to strength. Rather than inventing a weakness whilst trying to add a strength.
If you can't understand something that blatantly obvious. You will frankly never understand...

Considering that you have quoted 4 different sections of my post, you have conveniently missed out commenting on a couple of points:

• In two of my previous posts, I have clearly mentioned that the best case for United would be having both Pogba and Sancho in the same side provided Pogba is committed and we don't have financial concerns to purchase Sancho. You can randomly lash out by calling other posts dumb and people having different opinions as haters but the real point is that some United fans, including me, have doubts over Pogba's commitment to the club.
• Secondly, Pogba has shown in flashes that he is capable of putting in world class performances. But considering that his 4th season is about to end, has he been a the best or even top 3 CM in the league in this 4 year period? I'm talking about De Bruyne or even peak Fabregas type performances.
• Finally, and most damningly, how do you explain the comments from Pogba's entourage on not just the manager, but the entire club? Why has Pogba maintained silence on it or reassured his commitment to the club?

One principle that the club always needs to follow is that no player is bigger than the club and till now Pogba doesn't qualify to be an exception to the rule. I have not given up on Pogba as of now, but I have also become a bit detached from this entire saga. So if he wants to go, then he goes. We may not be able to replace his stardom, but his output (not potential output) is relatively easier to be replaced.

In conclusion, there are different viewpoints that people have which is the exact point of this forum. I'm not sure what you mean when you say "Nothing he does is EVER good enough for the likes of you" but it seems that you're having a meltdown. Even the most prominent of Pogba supporters understand that there have been enough reasons for United fans to be alienated with him. You seem to be an experienced poster on this forum, I would hope that you're more than aware of tolerating differing opinions.

 

[dalriada]

Yes. Absolutely. In a heartbeat.
IF we are as certain as we can be that it frees up money for one of our top targets (Sancho, or as good as):

1. He has hardly played for us for months and increasingly we are doing well without him. Yes, he could add to that success, but so could another player such as Sancho.
2. I honestly don't know if his failure to return from injury is genuine or not, but the way his return date is continually extended suggests more than just a bona fide medical / physical issue.
3. He has "Mourinho player" stamped all over him: Big ego, big name player, claims to be a team player but the evidence continually suggests otherwise, needs the team to revolve around him for more than just pure technical football reasons and more than a hint that he sulks and downs tools if it doesn't.
4. Which leads to the question, where will he fit in and who has to make way to accomodate him? Not sure I could justify saying we should drop players who have put in a shift for an increasingly successful team that has really started to gel, and risk breaking up that team spirit, for a player who has not been earning his crust for some time.
4. There are some players who fall into the category of "... if only xxx, then he would have been a world class player for us", and I think Pogba has turned out to be one of them. Sir Alex was probably prescient when he let him go. Time to draw a line under this one and look elsewhere.

 

[Storm Force]

Selling pogba for big money in any market was tough hence the reason your asking price was reduced recently.

Selling pogbs post covid will be very difficult for even the price you paid originally imo.

This will be very quiet window and who knows what football will be played anyway

 

[Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber]

• In two of my previous posts, I have clearly mentioned that the best case for United would be having both Pogba and Sancho in the same side provided Pogba is committed and we don't have financial concerns to purchase Sancho.

It was deliberate because it is of ZERO relevance to the fact you have indicated more than once that you want to sale a Pogba to fund buying a Sancho.

Yet again you have made it all about Pogba. Rather than understanding the real point. Namely that a Pogba should ONLY be sold to fund the purchase of another Pogba/Bruno type player. Not to fund the purchase of a player in an entirely different position like a Sancho. A purchase that would result in a big hole in the position Pogba would depart from. Literally not strengthening United at all whilst strengthening our rivals abroad.

You can randomly lash out by calling other posts dumb and people having different opinions as haters but the real point is that some United fans, including me, have doubts over Pogba's
commitment to the club.

There was nothing random about calling out particular posts as dumb. Due to their faulty internal logic:

1. You literally are advocating the equivalent of a car owner selling a back tire to fund the purchase of a front tire, to supposedly improve the condition of the car. That makes no sense at all

2. You are the one who lashed out and started declaring me 'a Pogba apologist'
simply for pointing out the obvious flaws in your proposal. That coupled with the fact you are eager to make everything about Pogba. It's not a stretch to call you a "Pogba hater". For you are acting like one.
3. You naively think a Pogba has zero reason to be unhappy at United. I insist given the facts of how he is portrayed in the media, how ex players in the media and fans regularly question his character, proffessionalism, commitment and actual talen itself. That stance is extremely naive.

Above all Having doubts about a pogba's commitment should never make one entertain the dumb notion he should be exchanged for a person who doesn't operate in the roles he does. Especially an expensive one who would leave United little funds to even replace him cheaply. Because United would be significantly weakened without a second top end central playmaker like him in the squad. Even if an attacker like Sancho were secured.


So quit conflating the argument about what a Pogba type brings to the team and why losing it is terminal. With a desire to keep Pogba around at all cost. The two are not related.

[*]Secondly, Pogba has shown in flashes that he is capable of putting in world class performances. But considering that his 4th season is about to end, has he been a the best or even top 3 CM in the league in this 4 year period?........

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Reading the above. I'm pretty certain you pay zero attention to the statistics Pogba has actually accrued since he arrived at United as compared to the rest of the league. Frankly the only guys consistently out performing him statistically I'm creativity and goals actually play at City. Or teams that have actually out perfoed United in that period. Operating alongside other top end play makers at their clubs. Whilst he has had to operate on his lonesome at United.

[*]Finally, and most damningly, how do you explain the comments from Pogba's entourage on not just the manager, but the entire club? Why has Pogba maintained silence on it or reassured his commitment to the club?

First, what part of playing through the pain barrier and getting injured long term as a result, shows a lack of commitment to you?

Second, what part of ,"Raiola can't be controlled," do you not understand? Why do you think Fergie hates him? You think Pogba speaking would stop Raiola? Really?

One principle that the club always needs to follow is that no player is bigger than the club and till now Pogba doesn't
qualify to be an exception to the rule.
.........

Again missing the point entirely!
It's not about POGBA! It's about WHAT having a 2nd top end play maker in the squad means for the long term success of the club. Some of us can't understand why the likes of you constantly conflate that concept with the notion a Pogba is supposedly bigger than the club.

Why is it so hard for you to believe that it is best to ONLY sale a Pogba to replace him with a player of the same class and type playing wise? So that his departure leaves the club in a position of strength. Rather than rebirthing a former weakness?


Rather than to sale him to sign a player strengthening an entirely different department whilst significantly weakening the one he is sold from?

I have not given up on Pogba as of now, but I have also become a bit detached from this entire saga. So if he wants to go, then he goes. We may not be able to replace his stardom, but his output (not potential output) is relatively easier to be replaced.

It is not 'atachment' to point out to you the obvious though. Namely that if you sale a Pogba to fund the purchase of a Sancho. There likely won't be money left to replace a single thing a Pogba offered as a player. Forget the off field stardom because it doesn't play football.

In conclusion, there are different viewpoints that people have which is the exact point of this forum. I'm not sure what you mean when you say "Nothing he does is EVER good enough for the likes of you" but it seems that you're having a meltdown. ....

A meltdown? That is rich coming from a guy kinda obsessed about Pogba you make everything about him. .....besides nothing either of us has said is remotely meltdownish frankly......seriously
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Even the most prominent of Pogba supporters understand that there have been enough reasons for United fans to be alienated with him. You seem to be an experienced poster on this forum, I would hope that you're more than aware of tolerating differing opinions.

Do not conflate me shooting down a differing opinion with not tolerating it.

I repeat. You simply keep conflating people wanting a pogba when sold, to be strictly replaced with another top end midfield play maker, than a top end winger like Sancho or a 9 like kane or whoever, with a desire to keep a pogba at all costs.


The two are not related. We simply come from the understanding that having only a pogba to call on for the last 4 years has hurts us badly. Even this season was ample proof. Once we lost Pogba to injury we were dead in the water. Yet if we had started the season with Bruno on our books. Not only would we have been superio, the period of Pogba being out would never have been felt.

Thus our stance is simple: You sale a Pogba to get a Sancho, You will be left with Bruno alone and you will certainly sink again whenever he gets injured. Or opponents mark/take him out of games because he is the sole center midfield creative out let.

If you can't see where we are coming from there is simply nothing further to discuss. We will then just have to agree to disagree.

 

[manutddjw]

Absolutely Not.

Since Sir Alex left we constantly had to hear how it's going to take 3 windows and a billion spent to get top 4. We have something good going on, now is the time to strengthen and not rob Peter to pay Paul. I guarantee you if we actually did this as most are supporting, one bad game from the remaining 3 midfielders and we'll get the following: McTominay isn't good enough, Fred was a waste of money, Matic is too old, Woodward/Glazers Out, Need a Director of Football, must sign a midfielder in the summer.

I'm not going to make stuff up to validate my argument. Has Pogba been a world class player for us? No. Has he been good? I'd say so and his stats can back that up. Football is a team game and we have been poor as a team at times and no players have stood out. It wasn't long ago that Martial and Rashford were both berated by fans during a down spell and both of them would've had 20 goals for us this season. I have no doubts that Pogba would make this team better now that things seem to be finally clicking for us.

 

[2 man midfield]

We need a top right winger more than we need a top midfielder who only shows it when he can be arsed. So yes.

 

[Cliche Guevara]

If Pogba wanted to leave and that’s the only way we could afford Sancho, then yes.

Not sure either is the case.

 

[Nickelodeon]

It was deliberate because it is of ZERO relevance to the fact you have indicated more than once that you want to sale a Pogba to fund buying a Sancho.

Yet again you have made it all about Pogba. Rather than understanding the real point. Namely that a Pogba should ONLY be sold to fund the purchase of another Pogba/Bruno type player. Not to fund the purchase of a player in an entirely different position like a Sancho. A purchase that would result in a big hole in the position Pogba would depart from. Literally not strengthening United at all whilst strengthening our rivals abroad.


There was nothing random about calling out particular posts as dumb. Due to their faulty internal logic:

1. You literally are advocating the equivalent of a car owner selling a back tire to fund the purchase of a front tire, to supposedly improve the condition of the car. That makes no sense at all

2. You are the one who lashed out and started declaring me 'a Pogba apologist'
simply for pointing out the obvious flaws in your proposal. That coupled with the fact you are eager to make everything about Pogba. It's not a stretch to call you a "Pogba hater". For you are acting like one.
3. You naively think a Pogba has zero reason to be unhappy at United. I insist given the facts of how he is portrayed in the media, how ex players in the media and fans regularly question his character, proffessionalism, commitment and actual talen itself. That stance is extremely naive.

Above all Having doubts about a pogba's commitment should never make one entertain the dumb notion he should be exchanged for a person who doesn't operate in the roles he does. Especially an expensive one who would leave United little funds to even replace him cheaply. Because United would be significantly weakened without a second top end central playmaker like him in the squad. Even if an attacker like Sancho were secured.


So quit conflating the argument about what a Pogba type brings to the team and why losing it is terminal. With a desire to keep Pogba around at all cost. The two are not related.

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Reading the above. I'm pretty certain you pay zero attention to the statistics Pogba has actually accrued since he arrived at United as compared to the rest of the league. Frankly the only guys consistently out performing him statistically I'm creativity and goals actually play at City. Or teams that have actually out perfoed United in that period. Operating alongside other top end play makers at their clubs. Whilst he has had to operate on his lonesome at United.



First, what part of playing through the pain barrier and getting injured long term as a result, shows a lack of commitment to you?

Second, what part of ,"Raiola can't be controlled," do you not understand? Why do you think Fergie hates him? You think Pogba speaking would stop Raiola? Really?



Again missing the point entirely!
It's not about POGBA! It's about WHAT having a 2nd top end play maker in the squad means for the long term success of the club. Some of us can't understand why the likes of you constantly conflate that concept with the notion a Pogba is supposedly bigger than the club.

Why is it so hard for you to believe that it is best to ONLY sale a Pogba to replace him with a player of the same class and type playing wise? So that his departure leaves the club in a position of strength. Rather than rebirthing a former weakness?


Rather than to sale him to sign a player strengthening an entirely different department whilst significantly weakening the one he is sold from?




It is not 'atachment' to point out to you the obvious though. Namely that if you sale a Pogba to fund the purchase of a Sancho. There likely won't be money left to replace a single thing a Pogba offered as a player. Forget the off field stardom because it doesn't play football.


A meltdown? That is rich coming from a guy kinda obsessed about Pogba you make everything about him. .....besides nothing either of us has said is remotely meltdownish frankly......seriously
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Do not conflate me shooting down a differing opinion with not tolerating it.

I repeat. You simply keep conflating people wanting a pogba when sold, to be strictly replaced with another top end midfield play maker, than a top end winger like Sancho or a 9 like kane or whoever, with a desire to keep a pogba at all costs.


The two are not related. We simply come from the understanding that having only a pogba to call on for the last 4 years has hurts us badly. Even this season was ample proof. Once we lost Pogba to injury we were dead in the water. Yet if we had started the season with Bruno on our books. Not only would we have been superio, the period of Pogba being out would never have been felt.

Thus our stance is simple: You sale a Pogba to get a Sancho, You will be left with Bruno alone and you will certainly sink again whenever he gets injured. Or opponents mark/take him out of games because he is the sole center midfield creative out let.

If you can't see where we are coming from there is simply nothing further to discuss. We will then just have to agree to disagree.

Not to hog the discussion for the entire forum anymore, I only have the following to add.

• Like mentioned in my every post, if a committed Pogba and Sancho are both part of our squad, that is the best case for United
• However, say we only have a budget of 50 odd million, then I would rather sell Pogba, buy Sancho and another midfielder for the 50 million type money. Because I don't believe Pogba's output is irreplaceable and we can probably bring better balance to our team as well.
• Finally, you and I have a major difference of opinion on Pogba's commitment to the club. I'm pretty sure that in the times of Fergie, he would've been out of the team purely for the comments of his agent. I'd rather we follow that approach in current times as well because Pogba isn't irreplaceable. I can't ever think of any other example where a player or their agent have been so outspoken against a particular club and went on to have a successful career with the same team post that. Closest I can think of is Rooney, but even he had to issue a public apology.

There are points that we clearly have differing opinions on, so I'm happy to agree to disagree. Cheers.

 

[Web of Bissaka]

Ideally no...

Realistically depends on you-know-what.

 

[FrankWhite]

Yup! But only if we have to. love pogba but our 1st eleven midfield is still top 3 in the league without him. Not sure our right wing is top 10 at the moment.

 

[davidmichael]

If we do nothing else in the transfer market other than sign Sancho or it takes up our entire transfer funds then so be it as I see Sancho as THE priority signing, Pogba has 2 years on his contract so if he wants to leave then we tell him that he can leave at the end of next season as long as he puts in a shift all season as the pandemic has altered every clubs finances anyway and no one will likely pay £100 million for Pogba at the moment.

That’ll leave us with Fernandes, Pogba, McTominay, Fred, Matic and Garner as midfield options and worst case scenarios Lingard or Pereira can play Fernandes role against the smallest teams as I don’t see many ins or outs for anyone really this summer.

I think we’ll likely get rid of Joel Pereira and then two out of Smalling, Jones, Rojo. I’d imagine Fosu-Mensah will go as well as one of Lingard or Pereira and if we can move him on then Sanchez will also go which could bring in around £40-£50 million in total which for deadwood isn’t too bad.

 

[MattofManchester]

Ignoring the Sancho part, I say it's time to sell Pogba.
With all the drama surrounding him staying or leaving, and especially in recent interviews, there was an opportunity to put this to bed by stating you're happy at United, blah blah.
But he didn't, and so the drama continues.

Which in my mind, means he wants to go. So let him go. We shouldn't keep players who don't want to be here.

That, alongside the ton of comments from his brother, his agent, his beef with Mourinho, his inconsistencies on the pitch all point to the fact that we probably shouldn't be here.

Sell, and sign a replacement.

Sancho should be seen as it's own deal.

 

[Rolaholic]

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More or less expected given all the uncertainty going on right now.

It would also be a bit negligent on our part selling Pogba before we even get the chance to pair him up with what would be the best midfielder he's played with at United in Bruno.

Glad that Ole doesn't seem to be as shortsighted as the previous manager.

If we somehow managed to bring in a player like Sancho while keeping Pogba in the squad over the next year, we could field arguable one of the most formidable fronts and attacks in Europe let alone England

 

[croadyman]

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More or less expected given all the uncertainty going on right now.

It would also be a bit negligent on our part selling Pogba before we even get the chance to pair him up with what would be the best midfielder he's played with at United in Bruno.

Glad that Ole doesn't seem to be as shortsighted as the previous manager.

If we somehow managed to bring in a player like Sancho while keeping Pogba in the squad over the next year, we could field arguable one of the most formidable fronts and attacks in Europe let alone England

Yeah that is very true although I am certain we will have to qualify for champions league to sign him. Who knows whether we are going to see any form of english football again this season.

 

[kidbob]

Ignoring the Sancho part, I say it's time to sell Pogba.
With all the drama surrounding him staying or leaving, and especially in recent interviews, there was an opportunity to put this to bed by stating you're happy at United, blah blah.
But he didn't, and so the drama continues.

Which in my mind, means he wants to go. So let him go. We shouldn't keep players who don't want to be here.

That, alongside the ton of comments from his brother, his agent, his beef with Mourinho, his inconsistencies on the pitch all point to the fact that we probably shouldn't be here.

Sell, and sign a replacement.

Sancho should be seen as it's own deal.

I say its time to bring in Sancho and let Pogba finally play in the level of team he deserves. The lad only wants to win trophies and i don't think he has his heart set in a different club (like Ronaldo did). Bring in Sancho and there is a very good chance that we start doing very well and Pogba ends up happy to stay. This isn't a Ronaldo situation where we are one of the best teams in the World but a player still wants to leave, this is a 'I want to challenge every season' situation. I reckon if Sancho is brought in then we have ourselves close to a position to challenge and thus Pogba is satisfied.

Don't forget that since he's been injured that AWB and Maguire have settled, Greenwood and Williams have emerged, Rashford, Shaw, Fred and McTominay have all hit another level, Martial has refound form and most importantly Bruno was signed. I'm sure Pogba hasn't been blinded to this and if we bring in Jadon then it should be no problem getting him to give us another year. If we start challenging then I have very little doubt that Pogba will want to leave. Unlike Ronaldo he spent some of his time growing up here.

 

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More or less expected given all the uncertainty going on right now.

It would also be a bit negligent on our part selling Pogba before we even get the chance to pair him up with what would be the best midfielder he's played with at United in Bruno.

Glad that Ole doesn't seem to be as shortsighted as the previous manager.

If we somehow managed to bring in a player like Sancho while keeping Pogba in the squad over the next year, we could field arguable one of the most formidable fronts and attacks in Europe let alone England

It never make sense though to sell him and use the cash to sign Sancho in the first place. Selling him means we are shortened our midfield option which something we have issue this season due to injuries. Selling him to finance for Sancho only makes sense if the club also has cash to buy the replacement.

Honestly, I would rather have the same squad than selling Pogba & sign Sancho only. We can't have our season with only Fred, Matic & Scott as our CM/DM option.

 

[Jack-C20]

I’d love to see what we’d be like with both Bruno and Pogba in the team. Obviously if Pogba doesn’t actually want to be here then it’s a no brainer really but I’ve not lost hope yet.

 

[DSG]

Talk of a massive red herring. Pogba being happy or not is irrelevant to the fact Bruno is no replacement in any shape or form. He is in fact a solution to a problem that in all likely hood has been the biggest source of Pogga's beef with United being the only top end creative central playing midfielder in our squad. On of the biggest reasons for our failure to be very competitive.

Thus swapping a Pogba for a winger like Sancho simply repeats the problem again and leaves us with a Bruno as the ONLY top end creator in our midfield. with the slow woodward helming our transfers. Meaning by the time the clown replace a Pogba, Bruno and a Sancho would probably be ready to jump ship to as a result of the lack of success...

No.

Sancho is a creator. Bruno is a creator. We don’t need Pogba as a creator in a deep lying role. We need a Fabinho type who is a shield for the back 4 and transitions the ball quickly from defense to attack.

Rashford, Martial and Greenwood are finishers. Sancho is needed to unlock the defense.

You don’t hold on to an oft-injured midfielder (world class when he plays and his head is right, I admit) if it prevents you from getting a 20 year old that has scored or assisted on 36 goals this year in 35 matches.

I do think we need another midfielder, but certainly in the 30-45m range.

 

[DSG]

I say its time to bring in Sancho and let Pogba finally play in the level of team he deserves. The lad only wants to win trophies and i don't think he has his heart set in a different club (like Ronaldo did). Bring in Sancho and there is a very good chance that we start doing very well and Pogba ends up happy to stay. This isn't a Ronaldo situation where we are one of the best teams in the World but a player still wants to leave, this is a 'I want to challenge every season' situation. I reckon if Sancho is brought in then we have ourselves close to a position to challenge and thus Pogba is satisfied.

Don't forget that since he's been injured that AWB and Maguire have settled, Greenwood and Williams have emerged, Rashford, Shaw, Fred and McTominay have all hit another level, Martial has refound form and most importantly Bruno was signed. I'm sure Pogba hasn't been blinded to this and if we bring in Jadon then it should be no problem getting him to give us another year. If we start challenging then I have very little doubt that Pogba will want to leave. Unlike Ronaldo he spent some of his time growing up here.

The OP was clear: if we have to sell Pogba to buy Sancho, would you do it? Why or why not?

About half the people who say no are arguing that Pogba deserves the chance to be a part of the team with Sancho. That’s not answering the question.

Either keep Pogba and presumably not have the money for a large transfer fee. Therefore, you would go into next season with no major attacking additions...

Or

Sell Pogba and buy Sancho.

 

[elmo]

Yes.

Not having to deal with Riaola is reason enough.

 

[hmchan]

No.

Sancho is a creator. Bruno is a creator. We don’t need Pogba as a creator in a deep lying role. We need a Fabinho type who is a shield for the back 4 and transitions the ball quickly from defense to attack.

Rashford, Martial and Greenwood are finishers. Sancho is needed to unlock the defense.

You don’t hold on to an oft-injured midfielder (world class when he plays and his head is right, I admit) if it prevents you from getting a 20 year old that has scored or assisted on 36 goals this year in 35 matches.

I do think we need another midfielder, but certainly in the 30-45m range.

What's the problem of having 2 creators in midfield? You still have an extra slot for that Fabinho type of player to protect the defence, just like Fernandinho + de Bruyne + Silva for City. Prioritizing the money on Sancho is one thing, and it totally depends on personal preference, but we certainly need another creator in midfield. In the past few years, Pogba has been the only creator in midfield, which is one of the reasons why we struggle to break down defences. The first part just doesn't make sense to me.

 

[dalriada]

If we do nothing else in the transfer market other than sign Sancho or it takes up our entire transfer funds then so be it as I see Sancho as THE priority signing, Pogba has 2 years on his contract so if he wants to leave then we tell him that he can leave at the end of next season as long as he puts in a shift all season as the pandemic has altered every clubs finances anyway and no one will likely pay £100 million for Pogba at the moment.

That’ll leave us with Fernandes, Pogba, McTominay, Fred, Matic and Garner as midfield options and worst case scenarios Lingard or Pereira can play Fernandes role against the smallest teams as I don’t see many ins or outs for anyone really this summer.

I think we’ll likely get rid of Joel Pereira and then two out of Smalling, Jones, Rojo. I’d imagine Fosu-Mensah will go as well as one of Lingard or Pereira and if we can move him on then Sanchez will also go which could bring in around £40-£50 million in total which for deadwood isn’t too bad.

Fosu-Mensah is in the last year of his contract, but the club appears to have invoked a one-year extension:

https://www.skysports.com/football/...er-united-trigger-one-year-contract-extension

This makes sense - his injury was not his fault, he looked sharp when he played recently for the second team and he was clocked as the fastest player in the EPL last season on loan at Fulham, not bad for a big guy who's 6' 3":

https://www.manutd.com/en/news/detail/opta-confirm-united-player-is-fastest-in-premier-league

He's still only 22, he wouldn't bring in that much money (or save much) and Ole may want to see how he shapes up if he's fully recovered.

Rojo, I think, is pretty well decided - he clearly wants to stay at Estudiantes. Lingard seems to be shaping up for a move and reminds me of the situation with Cleverley - he may just be fed up with being the whipping boy. Smalling probably doesn't want to come back unless he can command Lindelof's spot, which is not impossible. Difficult to know with JCP - always suspected he was a Mourinho favourite because he's Portuguese and is less in favour now, but we always seem to have excess keepers nowadays then move them on.

Jones is more of a problem - clearly not in Ole's plans, 28 years old now and no hint that anyone is interested in him either. Presume we will take what we can get if we are keeping Tuanzebe and TFM.
Sanchez's wages will be the big obstacle to a move - not entirely sure he won't be back at the club next season

I think we will go for Sancho regardless of whether Pogba stays or goes. Just telling him he can go if he puts in a shift is probably easier said than done - I really think this is a player who will switch off if he doesn't want to be at the club and his potential to be a disruptive element is high.
But the Covid situation certainly throws out all the usual calculations.