Could they void the PL due to the Coronavirus? | No | Resuming June 17th

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Why would clubs having a bit more money and players having a bit less make any difference to you at all?
Where do I start?

There is many clubs facing financial ruin, the obvious thing to do is for top tier players to take say a 30% cut, and that money is passed down to the lower leagues.

Even EPL clubs will be struggling, they have FFP to deal with but not only that, they will have budgeted for games been attended, and been paid TV money for the full season.

The PFL have made noises about they will only take pay cuts if its the difference for the club they play for going under or still operating. They dont realise the damage to the game been done with them still taking a full pay packet.

The billionaire owners? The owners of LCFC e.g. their business is at a complete standstill, they sell duty free product at airports, which are effectively shutdown. They cant plug the holes due to FFP, and will also find it difficult due to the impact on their own income. The players should have contributed by accepting a temporary cut, or at least a deferral. I can understand them wanting clubs to agree to not spend money on transfer fee's. But that's where my understanding ends.
 

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So liverpool football club want one rule for their mens team and another for their womens?

And posters in here think us united fans are biased.
Think most of us are past caring about who wins the winning league, bigger things to worry about than football at the moment.
 

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Where do I start?

There is many clubs facing financial ruin, the obvious thing to do is for top tier players to take say a 30% cut, and that money is passed down to the lower leagues.

Even EPL clubs will be struggling, they have FFP to deal with but not only that, they will have budgeted for games been attended, and been paid TV money for the full season.

The PFL have made noises about they will only take pay cuts if its the difference for the club they play for going under or still operating. They dont realise the damage to the game been done with them still taking a full pay packet.

The billionaire owners? The owners of LCFC e.g. their business is at a complete standstill, they sell duty free product at airports, which are effectively shutdown. They cant plug the holes due to FFP, and will also find it difficult due to the impact on their own income. The players should have contributed by accepting a temporary cut, or at least a deferral. I can understand them wanting clubs to agree to not spend money on transfer fee's. But that's where my understanding ends.
Yeah, to be honest, the only way to keep everyone happy, and feeling completely safe and keep all clubs afloat is if Premier League/high end championship players take pay cuts and let their money filter down through the football league.
That way you can take an indefinite break from football and still have football to come back to say in 12-18 months time. Chances of this happening ? Zero. Though FFP has been squashed for this season at least hasn’t it?
 

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Honestly I have no idea how in the world would they even think of resuming the competition. Way too many concerns, question marks.

Scenario 1: Null and Void
Probably the most straight forward option
If they are to do that, they will need to atleast ensure 2 automatic promotions from Championship still take place. Else, they are opening up to lawsuits. Championship clubs like Leeds have invested in their side and would have budgeted with assumption that they'd get promoted in next 2 or 3 seasons. CL qualification on UEFA coefficients.

Scenario 2a: Use current league table as final
The issue here is the relegation argument. Teams will bring up that argument especially as everyone has played different quality of opposition. Similar issue will arise on the other side of the table as well. SHU will claim that they've played a game less and should be considered for CL, Utd can claim that we have the easiest run in, Arsenal wouldn't be happy with their position as well

Scnario 2b: Use current table as final but no relegations
The issue would still remain as to which teams go to CL and EL

Scenario 3: Play out the season
I'm not sure how this is even remotely possible. One positive test and the training facility is closed down, teams are placed in quarantine. Even if that doesn't happen half the players would reject risking their health for this. Integrity of the competition is no longer a valid argument as it is. Teams will complain about home advantage and ticket sales and all.
Teams that are fearing relegation have also raised voice against this method and the only way the bottom 7-8 teams will vote in this favour is if they are guaranteed that no one gets relegated. If that happens, you'd see the players from these teams reject the chance to train/play which means that the last 9 games of bottom 8-10 teams would be friendlies!
 

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Void this season and start next season , if situation allows, with same points as now. So a (near) double season if you like. For me it seems the fairest concept. It allows teams with advantageous positions to keep the advantage. Works across all leagues.
I havn’t heard this option discussed anywhere but for me it is logical and fair?
 

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What is going on with that story about Kalou? The team was in training, everyone was confirmed as negative and he’s been suspended for shaking hands with team mates (breaking social distancing rules). How do they think footballers are training without breaking social distancing rules.
 

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I didn't know they already won the league.

Extra time of 1999 CL final and your team are winning 1-0, United score two goals, in two minutes, and bag the trophy.
Remember?
I remember very well thank you very much ;) But the chances of the comeback back then were obviously higher than the chances of Liverpool blowing a 22-25 point lead with 9 games to go. The good news for you is that "if" Liverpool win then it will be in the most anticlimax fashion ever so theres no need for you or anybody else to add to that with the myth of the gifted win because nobody who has a bit of objectivity will buy that anyway.
 

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In Germany 10 players have tested positive to Covid 19.

Anja Stahmann, chairwoman of German’s state ministers for sport, called for “the greatest possible transparency” from the DFL.
She also added fuel to the debate about whether the league should resume.
“In public, people are rightly saying - ‘why should football resume behind locked doors yet religious services are still banned?’,” the Bremen-based politician told Deutschlandfunk radio.
“Why are playgrounds closed and millionaires allowed to play football?!''
 

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Void this season and start next season , if situation allows, with same points as now. So a (near) double season if you like. For me it seems the fairest concept. It allows teams with advantageous positions to keep the advantage. Works across all leagues.
I havn’t heard this option discussed anywhere but for me it is logical and fair?

This option has not been discussed much as it is fecking stupid. HTH.
 

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Scenario 3: Play out the season
I'm not sure how this is even remotely possible. One positive test and the training facility is closed down, teams are placed in quarantine. Even if that doesn't happen half the players would reject risking their health for this. Integrity of the competition is no longer a valid argument as it is. Teams will complain about home advantage and ticket sales and all.
Teams that are fearing relegation have also raised voice against this method and the only way the bottom 7-8 teams will vote in this favour is if they are guaranteed that no one gets relegated. If that happens, you'd see the players from these teams reject the chance to train/play which means that the last 9 games of bottom 8-10 teams would be friendlies!
Just combine this season with the next.
= Season 19/21*

Cancel both league cup and FA cup.
Focus on leagues, to finish up the remaining matches.

One game for every 15 days, with plenty of strict health precaution rules.

However!
Carry it on only after at least a month has passed, 30 consecutive days of no new c19 incidents in the whole country.
 

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Just combine this season with the next.
= Season 19/21*

Cancel both league cup and FA cup.
Focus on leagues, to finish up the remaining matches.

One game for every 15 days, with plenty of strict health precaution rules.

However!
Carry it on only after at least a month has passed, 30 consecutive days of no new c19 incidents in the whole country.
The problem with that is that the players are paid wages for 2 years, however the TV income and the stadium income is over 38 games only and not 76 games.
 

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Just combine this season with the next.
= Season 19/21*

Cancel both league cup and FA cup.
Focus on leagues, to finish up the remaining matches.

One game for every 15 days, with plenty of strict health precaution rules.

However!
Carry it on only after at least a month has passed, 30 consecutive days of no new c19 incidents in the whole country.
Why cancel The FA cup. The oldest competition? Big no.

It is never good idea to combine two seasons. Should we just play 10 games in a year? It will never go. You either cancel without winners or you cancel with Liverpool as winners. I prefer the second solution because mathematically the havn't won. Just given. Ghost titel.
 

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In Germany 10 players have tested positive to Covid 19.

Anja Stahmann, chairwoman of German’s state ministers for sport, called for “the greatest possible transparency” from the DFL.
She also added fuel to the debate about whether the league should resume.
“In public, people are rightly saying - ‘why should football resume behind locked doors yet religious services are still banned?’,” the Bremen-based politician told Deutschlandfunk radio.
“Why are playgrounds closed and millionaires allowed to play football?!''
I'm just curious why all the safety measures in Germany as we have read. Some realy wierd one when they can and will be all over eachother for 90 minutes?
 

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As I didn't get any answers from play football now-people I will try again. I have couple of question to those who still want this PL season to be played. If we don't talk about moral point of view or death/survival/risk in general here are some questions.

What do you do with The FA cup?
What do you do with Champions League/Europa League?
What do you do with Championship, League One and levels under?
What do you do with contracts that expire in 1 month time?
What do you do with transfers? Do already agreed players get to play?
What do you do with sponsorship? For example there are some changes by clubs a certain date. From one manufactor to another.
How do you actually apply social distancing (if the rule is still there) in games? No touching? Corners? Walls?
How is it okey to play on neutral ground and take away home advantage?
When is it okey to get people inside stadium? And how many?

When does the time expire to finish this season if you don't want to ruin next season aswell?
 

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What's the point of it if it's meaningless games played in empty stadiums? Fans can't even get together and enjoy the game in the pub or whatever. OK, you can get together with your mates in the house to watch it, but it's not really the same atmosphere and having no crowd noise doesn't help. This is not football.
 

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What's the point of it if it's meaningless games played in empty stadiums? Fans can't even get together and enjoy the game in the pub or whatever. OK, you can get together with your mates in the house to watch it, but it's not really the same atmosphere and having no crowd noise doesn't help. This is not football.
Only point is getting the full TV deal dosh by hook or by crook.
 

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Scenario 1: Null and Void
Probably the most straight forward option
If they are to do that, they will need to atleast ensure 2 automatic promotions from Championship still take place. Else, they are opening up to lawsuits. Championship clubs like Leeds have invested in their side and would have budgeted with assumption that they'd get promoted in next 2 or 3 seasons. CL qualification on UEFA coefficients.
This is the most damaging option. I'd say the chances of this happening are close to 0% due to the amount of legal action this would cause.
 

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In Germany 10 players have tested positive to Covid 19.

Anja Stahmann, chairwoman of German’s state ministers for sport, called for “the greatest possible transparency” from the DFL.
She also added fuel to the debate about whether the league should resume.
“In public, people are rightly saying - ‘why should football resume behind locked doors yet religious services are still banned?’,” the Bremen-based politician told Deutschlandfunk radio.
“Why are playgrounds closed and millionaires allowed to play football?!''
Religious services have resumed and playgrounds are open.
 

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Yes he has. Kept ignoring warnings about the style and content of his posting and finally had a visitation from the ban stick yesterday.
Did he carry on after his thread ban from the Covid thread ?

Edit. Sorry I wrote this out yesterday and got distracted, must of saved as a draft.
This is the most damaging option. I'd say the chances of this happening are close to 0% due to the amount of legal action this would cause.
What do you think would be the least damaging option ? Unbiased answer please. :) here's mine.

I would say cancel everything and try to start a fresh for next season, if possible. Let's face it there isn't going to be any European football, let's just get the league and cups up and running for next season.
 

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Voiding the season has been taken off the table. Its between finish behind closed doors or finish with the current table now, so of those two options which one would you pick?
Finish the season with the current table, believe or not. No use unnecessarily putting people's lives and wellbeing just for something as trivial as football.

Personally, after all the posturing United have done in support of the NHS and all that, I'm disappointed that we are one of the clubs who are in favour of restarting the season.
 

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Sack this season off. Null & Void the fecker. No champions. No relegation. Get everything in place to restart the 20/21 season as best they can with an actual rule on what happens if any future season ends due to a pandemic. Unlikely to be any European games this calendar year so restart the CL and EL fixtures in March 2021 from where they left off in March 2020 (:D) although UEFA’s statement on awarding next years places on ‘sporting merit’ could scupper this.
 

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Brighton striker Glenn Murray says some proposed protocols around the Premier League's return to action, such as wearing face masks, are "farcical".

"Face masks is going to be off-putting; it is not going to be natural. People will be ripping them off in games," the 36-year-old said. "It is quite farcical.

"I understand why people are desperate to get football on. It has to be done in a sensible way and in the right time and in a way that is going to keep everyone safe.

"There will be ambulances at training and games. Is it fair to take those from the NHS? I don’t know.

"It is not just two squads, there is a lot more involved and it puts more people at risk."

Arsenal, Brighton and West Ham have opened their training grounds to players for individual work.

"I understand the public is desperate to get football back," said Murray. "But it is us that are going to be going out there and competing against other teams.

"We are not talking about guys in one community. We are talking about guys from all over the world who could be possibly carrying the disease. There are so many caveats.

"Everyone is in different situations. I have children at home. I wouldn’t want to jeopardise them. Some footballers have newly born children who might be more susceptible to getting the disease.

"Some are living with elderly parents. It is a really difficult situation to agree on."
Glenn Murray talking sense. BCD shouldn’t even be an option discussed
 

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Football should not restart until September providing we are out of the worst part of this virus. I couldn't care less if they awarded Pool the title but you have to uphold everything else like relagtion and promotions across every devision, it cant be one rule for some and another for the others.
 

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Football should not restart until September providing we are out of the worst part of this virus. I couldn't care less if they awarded Pool the title but you have to uphold everything else like relagtion and promotions across every devision, it cant be one rule for some and another for the others.
If they are going to scrap relegation there is very little to play for and makes the whole concept of playing behind doors even less needed.

Finish the season based on the current table, then start preparing for a watered down version of next season, e.g no League cup, Community Shield etc.
 

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Yes, i know it’s not the same level of social distancing but by virtue of the testing capabilities of the Pl compared to say a Mcds or shop, the risk of spread is reduced considerably. Unless you are suggesting that testing is that ineffective that it will make no difference to the comparative spread in these industries?

I’m a bit confused, are you asking me how I can be so sure you can’t spread a virus you don’t have ? You’re gonna have to enlighten me on that bit, maybe I’ve misread?

I mean the internet is there, you can find loads of information on high quality kit/machines, bad quality ones. We know the Pl is intending on investing on the best available.

Testing should never be an indicator of safe to proceed? Then why the feck are we even bothering with anything? The whole basis for us carrying on as a society is implementing a track and trace method via testing.
And that cancer comparison makes no sense.




I’m an essential worker and that’s what I’ve been personally emailed.
This is of course with symptoms, but even mild. Ideally, I’d like to get tested every time I turn up for work regardless of symptoms but unless there’s a 2 minute diagnostic machine out there that can test hundreds a day that won’t be happening.


Can’t answer that but I Imagine the theory will be this is staff being taken away from covid wards. The reality will of course be different.
Again, please refer to post #9922 and #9943.

I keep explaining that testing is a diagnostic tool, not a precaution. How is it supposed to reduce the risk of transmission? Are you suggesting doing scans every day could lower the risk of getting cancer? Yes, testing in an industry alone (except healthcare) is ineffective in controlling the spread and it makes no difference at all.

What I'm asking is that how can you be so sure that you don't have the virus. According to WHO, the sensitivity of rapid tests ranges from 34% to 80%, and even with the best ones, 80% is far from ideal. So you've got to develop a rapid kit with 100% sensitivity, or you are just crossing your fingers hoping the players don't fall into the 20%.

https://www.who.int/news-room/comme...t-of-care-immunodiagnostic-tests-for-covid-19

As a healthcare professional I feel obligated to clear the misleading information about testing. Testing aims to screen potential transmission in high risk individuals (i.e. people with symptoms, those with close contacts with a confirmed COVID-19 patient, healthcare professionals). We are looking for positive cases so that we can manage them, not negative cases so that we feel safe and do whatever we want.

The actual point of testing is for epidemiological study so that the government can have a better picture about the rate of transmission, make estimation and tighten/loosen the measures accordingly. A single negative result is meaningless and not indicative, you should only feel happy when the absolute majority of the society is tested negative and that's the time for us to go out.

I don't need the look for the Internet as I work in this field and I know all the kits, their advantages and disadvantages. I actually wonder how your plan works, are you suggesting the Premier League to outsource the testing, or it sets up a lab on his own and does all the testing itself?
 

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Jesus christ, we are 5 days into May and the teams haven't even got a date as to when training resumes.

This season is done. It will take teams 4 weeks to even get prepared again, let alone fit all the remaining games in before July.

Ifs buts and maybe's and Fifa/Uefa can talk as much shit as they want, but do you think that any club will be paying wages past 30 June 2020 to player if their contract has expired? If for example, Alexis Sanchez contract ran out at the end of this season, do people really think United would just keep paying his wage for an extra few weeks? Like feck they would. They can't wait for that bloke to get out the fecking door.

Seasons over. This is literally posturing by the Premier League in attempt to demonstrate they are trying to mitigate loss so that the TV deals don't collapse.
 

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Jesus christ, we are 5 days into May and the teams haven't even got a date as to when training resumes.

This season is done. It will take teams 4 weeks to even get prepared again, let alone fit all the remaining games in before July.

Ifs buts and maybe's and Fifa/Uefa can talk as much shit as they want, but do you think that any club will be paying wages past 30 June 2020 to player if their contract has expired? If for example, Alexis Sanchez contract ran out at the end of this season, do people really think United would just keep paying his wage for an extra few weeks? Like feck they would. They can't wait for that bloke to get out the fecking door.

Seasons over. This is literally posturing by the Premier League in attempt to demonstrate they are trying to mitigate loss so that the TV deals don't collapse.
I agree with your wider point but I don't really understand why players contracts is a big problem?

Surely clubs just release the players they want to release. And offer new deals or short terms contracts to the ones they want to keep.

In your example United can just let Alexis go and continue without him, surely?