Il Fenomeno Draft - R1 - P-Beam vs Crappy

[Edgar Allan Pillow]

But I must admit I'm not 100% sold on Sheva being the right fit for that role, partly based on the videos. He supect he could get into Eusebio's way a bit too much, although I may simply not get the plan.

I really rate Sheva quite highly. He's one of the few "complete" strikers in my opinion having an exceptional all round game. Someone whom you can throw into multiple formations and still be expected to shine. Be it a lone forward leading the line or pair up with another, he's very versatile.

After Luis Ronaldo and Van Basten, there are not much players of that ilk. I rate Seeler, Sheva & Kalle just below them with likes of Butragueno in tier below them.

 

[Jim Beam]

Jim beam has two formation pictures up there and probably has gotten benefit for both. Those who liked his inital formation probably already voted for him, those who did not and liked second, then voted based on that. How do you differentiate between the two? Are those who voted for first formation be asked to reconsider?

Your formation picture looks like it came out of IMAX theatre Niagara falls, should we consider that too?

If you wanna talk about actual game be my guest, but leave this crap (that's funny) out of it

 

[crappycraperson]

Your formation picture looks like it came out of IMAX theatre Niagara falls, should we consider that too?

If you wanna talk about actual game be my guest, but leave this crap (that's funny) out of it

Back in my day folks got to have one starting line up and that's it. Hence why I am confused at this.

 

[Synco]

@Jim Beam

I'll try to explain what I mean. What I often see in these videos is Sheva acting as a ball carrier from (fairly) deep in transition. Pretty dominant, lots of time on the ball, almost always facing the goal when receiving the ball, also going for the finish if possible. To a larger extent how I see Eusebio's natural game as well. Even the movement patterns seem a bit similar to me, especially when starting out wide to dribble deep into attacking zones.

So I'm asking myself if there'd be too many overlaps. And if perhaps a CF like Lewandowski or Benzema might be a better fit (especially the latter). They'd still open up spaces in the middle with their wide movement, they'd still give service with their link up game, but their presence in the center and back-to-the-goal game might be a better base for Eusebio to play off.

Just my thoughts, open to be convinced otherwise of course.

 

[Jim Beam]

Back in my day folks got to have one starting line up and that's it. Hence why I am confused at this.

I didn't know where will you put Di Stefano and decided to wait.

Am not sure if anyone is influenced by it tbh. If someone's changing something it is more of an indication it is because of quality in your team imo. So, am not sure how I gained anything out of it.

 

[harms]

I'm more interested in new Zanetti's role in regards to his peak. I think he mostly played there later in his career (I wanted to write "when his legs were gone", but there were no such moment for him, I guess), does a 99'-02' Zanetti has any experience there?

 

[GodShaveTheQueen]

Dont agree with Edgar's recommended formation with Hidegkuti as a No.10/SS, but I think this one would have worked like a charm with him as a false 9.

At least that is what I expected them to do once they picked Hidegkuti.



On team Karl Marx, I don't like seeing Don Alfredo in a 3 man attack in a 3 CB setup. I think his impact on the game is directly proportionate to the number of players in the attacking phase. One defender needs to move out and a right winger needs to come in if I was building that team.

 

[Jim Beam]

@Jim Beam

I'll try to explain what I mean. What I often see in these videos is Sheva acting as a ball carrier from (fairly) deep in transition. Pretty dominant, lots of time on the ball, almost always facing the goal when receiving the ball, also going for the finish if possible. To a larger extent how I see Eusebio's natural game as well. Even the movement patterns seem a bit similar to me, especially when starting out wide to dribble deep into attacking zones.

I'm simply asking myself if there'd be too many overlaps. And if perhaps a CF like Lewandowski or Benzema might be a better fit (especially the latter). They'd still open up spaces in the middle with their wide movement, they'd still give service with their link up game, but their presence in the center and back-to-the-goal game might be a better base for Eusebio to play off.

Just my thoughts, open to be convinced otherwise of course.

I agree and can understand a certain overlap with Eusebio in people minds. But... Shevchenko also thrived in a fast, one touch football, roaming all over the place. His ability to stretch the defence is underrated.

Kaka was dominant ball carrier too.

 

[Jim Beam]

I'm more interested in new Zanetti's role in regards to his peak. I think he mostly played there later in his career (I wanted to write "when his legs were gone", but there were no such moment for him, I guess), does a 99'-02' Zanetti has any experience there?

Yes in Argentina for sure. Will find it.

 

[Jim Beam]

Dont agree with Edgar's recommended formation with Hidegkuti as a No.10/SS, but I think this one would have worked like a charm with him as a false 9.

At least that is what I expected them to do once they picked Hidegkuti. Ignore the extra arrow on Bonhof, SMT added it, not me



On team Karl Marx, I don't like seeing Don Alfredo in a 3 man attack in a 3 CB setup. I think his impact on the game is directly proportionate to the number of players in the attacking phase. One defender needs to move out and a right winger needs to come in if I was building that team.

Hidgkuti would push this team to more possession one. I preferred this one which is way more direct.

 

[Jim Beam]

I'm more interested in new Zanetti's role in regards to his peak. I think he mostly played there later in his career (I wanted to write "when his legs were gone", but there were no such moment for him, I guess), does a 99'-02' Zanetti has any experience there?

See @crappycraperson

It only gives me a headache

 

[GodShaveTheQueen]

Hidgkuti would push this team to more possession one. I preferred this one which is way more direct.

Yea that is your call. But if Hidegkuti had to be included, it had to be as a false 9 for me and Stoichkov/Eusebio were the perfect picks for that.

 

[Jim Beam]

Yea that is your call. But if Hidegkuti had to be included, it had to be as a false 9 for me and Stoichkov/Eusebio were the perfect picks for that.

This team was finished in round 11.

I then stumbled across this fecker and I really had issues with all Hidegkuti, Falcao, Scholes.

It would slow the game and it would play into Di Stefano hands here for example.

 

[GodShaveTheQueen]

It would slow the game and it would play into Di Stefano hands here for example.

I personally think Di Stefano wouldn't enjoy playing against a possession based team.

You either chase him all night trying to win the ball back or you try to hold as much of it yourselves and starve him off the ball which would annoy him I assume.

I'd choose the latter.

 

[Jim Beam]

I personally think Di Stefano wouldn't enjoy playing against a possession based team.

You either chase him all night trying to win the ball back or you try to hold as much of it yourselves and starve him off the ball which would annoy him I assume.

I'd choose the latter.

He would love to slow the tempo and play the game under his control.

This is anything but controllable.

Why the feck am I even talking about this? There is a hole on the right. Which formation is this?

 

[Jim Beam]

It is a 3-5-2 but you have to turn your phone on the left

 

[Pat_Mustard]

dont forget to feed the cat

 

[Jim Beam]

It is 3 5 and then a quick turn on the left having 1 with 1 upfront.

Here, pretty simple.

 

[Edgar Allan Pillow]

does a 99'-02' Zanetti has any experience there?

Transfermarkt says he's played there about 4 games in 3 years.

 

[Jim Beam]

I'm more interested in new Zanetti's role in regards to his peak. I think he mostly played there later in his career (I wanted to write "when his legs were gone", but there were no such moment for him, I guess), does a 99'-02' Zanetti has any experience there?

I can't find a particular match with him in that role and during that period.

 

[Šjor Bepo]

I don't understand all this tactical switch business.

Jim beam has two formation pictures up there and probably has gotten benefit for both. Those who liked his inital formation probably already voted for him, those who did not and liked second, then voted based on that. How do you differentiate between the two? Are those who voted for first formation be asked to reconsider?

tactical switches in games are allowed, not just in this draft but thats the rule in every draft we ever played

 

[crappycraperson]

Come on @harms shed the draft hipster role, you know you want to vote for a team with Dragan in it

 

[crappycraperson]

tactical switches in games are allowed, not just in this draft but thats the rule in every draft we ever played

If only anto was around to sort out these kind of non sensical shenanigans.

 

[Physiocrat]

@Jim Beam Do you know what type of RW Eusebio played alongside? Just trying to remember how he worked with is winger in a front 5.

 

[Synco]

Transfermarkt says he's played there about 4 games in 3 years.

Hm, what should be added is that transfermarkt has his position specified for only about 1/4 of the games. So for 75% it's simply unknown. Takeaway for me is that he likely played there only from time to time during that period, though. Then again: he did play there at least a few times, apparently.

 

[harms]

Come on @harms shed the draft hipster role, you know you want to vote for a team with Dragan in it

Yeah, you don't want me jumping off the fence here

 

[crappycraperson]

@Šjor Bepo Tactics change -

 

[Šjor Bepo]

@Šjor Bepo Tactics change -

No subs, just tactical switches

 

[crappycraperson]

No subs, just tactical switches