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Dortmund has a much more prevalent existing habit to let their players go to other clubs at their peak. In history they have been a selling club to finance their operation, as they don't have as high income as us from TV-deals and general sponsors from being a dominant world-wide brand with a huge fanbase.

We have not been strangers to letting players go on the cheap by keeping them longer than what makes financial sense (to much criticism from some in the fanbase). It's a gamble from our side if we keep Pogba through next season with the goal that he signs a new contract next spring or summer. That we belive in our plan to become competitive again, which makes good players want to stay with us.

Would it be best for us if he signs a new contract this summer? Yes, for sure. But from Pogba's perspective he doesn't have much to gain from extending this season other than a bit higher salary for a year. It would be a gamble on his side, but with pretty good odds that in a year his physical prowess and skill has not vanished, and that the financial market hopefully stabilizes a bit. If United doesn't look more solid by next summer he can easier get the move to a club of his choice since his fee will be lower, and he can make up the year of lost higher salary by getting a lil higher sign-on bonus since his fee is lower.

if Pogba extends this summer it will be because he already believes in this team to have turned it around, but also likely dependant on our signings this summer (and to some extent who leaves). Of course he's been uncertain about his future when we look at the past 4 years. It makes sense for him to consider other options when his contract is nearing an end if we don't improve as a team.
I've also been at crossroads in my life where I was considering a change, but decided to stay the course because I felt confident in reassurances that my gig was going to get better. And I didn't regret it either. It's the same for athletes, it's just a lot more people speculate about their future than ours. Putting on pressure (externally from the agent) is a tactic to get your employer to put their money where their mouth is and commit to giving you those reassurances, usually by signing other quality players, that will make you want to stay around. Similar to how you would renegotiate your own salary and benefits around your employer having a good plan for your future and making sure you have a good team of colleagues around you.


As for the bolded part. Transfer deals with 2 or more players coming from one club is extremely rare, as it's very complicated to get everyone to agree to terms. I also don't see Real willing to let Ødegaard go anywhere in the next years unless the player kicks up a fuss because he wants to leave. Which currently he doesn't have a reason for, especially not to us at the current moment (which breaks my heart to say). Ødegaard is still young and can afford to wait a few more seasons to continue developing as a player and see what his place will be at Real in the future, as the intention seems to be that he will replace Modric in a year or so.
I would love Ødegaard to us, but he's set up well financially and already in a top team, so he has no reason to look for a next move yet.
The most likely reason I would see him wanting a move to us (in some years) is if we reestablish ourselves as a dominant team again, we sign and field Haaland week in and out (and bonus if Solskjær is still the coach). National romanticism sometimes not to be underrated, especially from a country like Norway that does not have a history of a lot of good players. I could see them wanting to play together week in and out at club-level to increase their dynamic to help their performances on the National team. And United is a good option for that since we can afford big deals/salaries, and United is so big in Norway/Nordics.
Or we don't do well as a club and Haaland goes go Real instead.

Only time will tell.

I hope we sign Sancho and that Pogba stays, even if he doesn't sign a new contract for another year. If we can do that we look to become a dominant force again for many years with them, Rashford, Bruno and Martial. If we can add Haaland as well next summer then I'll be walking on clouds.




What makes you think that Sancho won't be asking for a high salary? He's one of the most hyped players in Europe, especially on the RW as there isn't many high calibre players there.
And with a recent CL win as well as this year's PL win they should be able to command higher sponsorship fees, they won't necessarily need new signings to attract sponsors, to pay the existing high salaries.
Now they will need to update their roster at some point in order to stay competitive, but I think it's still one or two seasons too early to bring in someone who would be considered an immediate direct competitor to their front 3. It risks ruining the team dynamic and spirits in what is currently such a dominant team.
I do not think the situation is identical at all - Pogba plays for a giant club who are happy to hold on to him until they receive an offer in that's materially in excess of 100m. I think Pogba has also flirted of late with the idea of staying on top.

Sancho on the other hand seems to want out, looks to be having his eyes set on us and is playing for a selling club which has a price that is more reasonable than Pogbas.
Dortmund are facing a slightly different situation to us though. Similarly to Pogba Jadon might not want to stay at his club. However he's a respectable professional whose playing well for them week in week out. Its not the case with Pogba. Our legends hate him, his agent had openly stated that he wants all his clients out of United + since Pogba openly declared to want out he had vanished in the treatment room never to come back. There's a chance that Jadon would do a Ronaldo by signing a contract for them on the condition that they would sell him for a huge fee. I can't see Pogba doing that for us unless we bury him with money (ie Sanchez type of contract). I can't see that happening. In fact I'd be surprised if we have a Raiola client in 2-3 years time.

To conclude on that point, I am a big fan of Pogba. However as my tag cruelly suggest I am a bit of a Serie A fan as well. Take my word on this. You don't want to retain a Raiola player whose dangerously heading towards at the end of his contract. Have you seen how Ragnar Lodbrok ended up in Vikings? Its pretty much the same thing.

Regarding transfers I concede that swaps are rare in football especially when EPL clubs are concerned (they are far more popular in the Serie A). Having said that with this covid-19 crisis looming on everybody, cash will run short over everybody. Real seem to suffer from cash flow problem prior to the crisis. Things won't get better now. Hence, I can see them become interested in such type of deal. A- Pogba is a big name signing, the type the Galacticos would want. B- Most of the players I mentioned play a peripheral role at their club. C- Real would get a big name for free while getting rid of players in the process. Things are more difficult with Juve. They have an ageing side so the swaps that they would suggest would probably be either old players or trouble makers.

Finally what distinguish Sancho from Pogba is that the former is not yet at his peak of his career just yet. His main concern won't be money but to move at the right club who would help him develop his career further. Hence why I believe that a huge salary won't be his no 1 priority.
 

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If we sign both Sancho and Grealish, we'll become such a versatile side. Great options from the bench to line up more defensively when needed, and offensively to shred weaker teams.

These are both drool-worthy lineups imo:




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They do look proper appetising my mate. Might 1 suggest using Dalot as the question mark as he was a RB when we purchased him? I think he is a good enough back up for AWB if there is any need for him??
 

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a- Sancho has 2 years left in his contract. Dortmund would either have to sell him now or risk losing him on the cheap in a years time
b- the Covid-19 crisis will hit clubs hard. Fees might go down because of it
c- Liverpool had always had issues in terms of paying huge salaries. Soon enough they would have to let Salah or Mane go
d- Sancho plays for Dortmund. Klopp has probably followed Jadon more closely then Ole did. He knows that Sancho won't be asking for ridiculous salary, that he's versatile, he's probably better then Mane and he would be considered as a huge signing which would in turn attract a lot of sponsors

Sancho to Liverpool is similar to what Rooney was for us ie a signing which we might not have needed at that given time but was simply a too good of a player to let rivals take him.

Thus I wouldn't count Liverpool out.
What are you talking about mate? Liverpool is perfectly capable of keeping their star players, the only way I can see Salah or Mane leaving is if Barca or Madrid came calling and the player asked to leave.

Due to the whole situation neither Madrid nor Barca are in position to sign either one, they would cost 150M+.

Regarding Sancho salary, there are multiple reports on Sancho opting for the team that offer him the best wages, of course he is going to demand premium wages.

Sancho is potentially better than Mane, but as of today Mane is a superior player.

It just doesnt make sense what you say, it would be as if us in 2008 were willing to get rid of Cristiano/Rooney to pursue some promising youngster, it doesn’t work that way you don’t change something that is working with incredible results to take a chance with a player that may or may not work.
 

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a- Sancho has 2 years left in his contract. Dortmund would either have to sell him now or risk losing him on the cheap in a years time
b- the Covid-19 crisis will hit clubs hard. Fees might go down because of it
c- Liverpool had always had issues in terms of paying huge salaries. Soon enough they would have to let Salah or Mane go
d- Sancho plays for Dortmund. Klopp has probably followed Jadon more closely then Ole did. He knows that Sancho won't be asking for ridiculous salary, that he's versatile, he's probably better then Mane and he would be considered as a huge signing which would in turn attract a lot of sponsors

Sancho to Liverpool is similar to what Rooney was for us ie a signing which we might not have needed at that given time but was simply a too good of a player to let rivals take him.

Thus I wouldn't count Liverpool out.
Liverpool have recently tied down a record breaking sponsorship, revenue from winning the CL and if the season continues winning the PL gives them more revenue so affording salaries for their big players won`t be a problem and Mane and Salah are world class players in their prime who give them a lot of market in Europe and especially Africa why would they willingly sell such huge assets?? Why would they want to leave? And bar PSG(who don`t need any of them since Mbappe/Neymar are staying) can any other big clubs afford them?? Barca(who are after Lautaro with difficulty) have serious financial problems and Madrid are waiting on Mbappe in 2021.
Sancho is one of the most hyped up young players on the planet a solid financial package will 100% be on his mind at his next club. It`s either Utd or Sancho stays at BVB for another season.
 

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They do look proper appetising my mate. Might 1 suggest using Dalot as the question mark as he was a RB when we purchased him? I think he is a good enough back up for AWB if there is any need for him??
I knew I forgot about someone! Of course it’s Dalot as a backup. Thanks!

I think we’ll be proper contenders with that group of players.
 

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I don't see us signing him this summer unless Dortmund to a complete 180 in their asking price. Don't think any club will be able to justify spending so much on a single player this summer.
 

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It sounds like Dortmund are trying to get as much bang for their buck with these latest quotes..

 

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The only way players can get big contract under current economy is to run down their contract and leave for free.
 

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If they insist on that figure, I can see an unusually long payment plan for this deal to go through.
 

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If thats what they are insistent on he`s staying for another season at BVB. NOBODY is spending that much on one player in the current market.
 

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If thats what they are insistent on he`s staying for another season at BVB. NOBODY is spending that much on one player in the current market.
I don't know. With Man Utd's financial power this might be one transfer window where everyone else's loss of revenue gives them the chance to get back to their level by seriously bringing out the cheque book. It would be a huge risk, but it must be one the club is considering behind closed doors.
 

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I don't know. With Man Utd's financial power this might be one transfer window where everyone else's loss of revenue gives them the chance to get back to their level by seriously bringing out the cheque book. It would be a huge risk, but it must be one the club is considering behind closed doors.
Utd will spend definitely but there is no way we splash a 9 digit figure on one player it will raise serious question marks elsewhere and set unnecessary precedents and BVB don`t look particularly desperate to sell. More likely we focus on other positions(CB, CM, ST and a Sancho plan B(Matondo)) for bargain buys and try again for Sancho next year when he is more affordable with a year left on his deal.
 

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I don't know. With Man Utd's financial power this might be one transfer window where everyone else's loss of revenue gives them the chance to get back to their level by seriously bringing out the cheque book. It would be a huge risk, but it must be one the club is considering behind closed doors.
Ole and Ed have already stated the Bruno money was from the summer kitty.
If we're on the verge of signing Jude Bellingham, do you really think the club has a spare 150m for both he and Sancho? On top of the 60m+ spent from the summer kitty on Bruno? With Smalling potentially the only player we might be able to offload this summer?

Nobody is signing Rojo or Sanchez with their overinflated salaries. Lingard wants to stay. We'll be lucky to get 1m for Jones. Pereira is on nice money so he'll probably stick around.

So you think we can spend 200m in the current climate on Bruno, Sancho and Bellingham? If Pogba leaves then maybe, otherwise.... No chance
 

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Ole and Ed have already stated the Bruno money was from the summer kitty.
If we're on the verge of signing Jude Bellingham, do you really think the club has a spare 150m for both he and Sancho? On top of the 60m+ spent from the summer kitty on Bruno? With Smalling potentially the only player we might be able to offload this summer?

Nobody is signing Rojo or Sanchez with their overinflated salaries. Lingard wants to stay. We'll be lucky to get 1m for Jones. Pereira is on nice money so he'll probably stick around.

So you think we can spend 200m in the current climate on Bruno, Sancho and Bellingham? If Pogba leaves then maybe, otherwise.... No chance
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Ole and Ed have already stated the Bruno money was from the summer kitty.
If we're on the verge of signing Jude Bellingham, do you really think the club has a spare 150m for both he and Sancho? On top of the 60m+ spent from the summer kitty on Bruno? With Smalling potentially the only player we might be able to offload this summer?

Nobody is signing Rojo or Sanchez with their overinflated salaries. Lingard wants to stay. We'll be lucky to get 1m for Jones. Pereira is on nice money so he'll probably stick around.

So you think we can spend 200m in the current climate on Bruno, Sancho and Bellingham? If Pogba leaves then maybe, otherwise.... No chance
Link to the Ole and Ed quotes?
How much are you expecting Bellingham to cost?
What makes you think Lingard wants to stay?
 

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What are you talking about mate? Liverpool is perfectly capable of keeping their star players, the only way I can see Salah or Mane leaving is if Barca or Madrid came calling and the player asked to leave.

Due to the whole situation neither Madrid nor Barca are in position to sign either one, they would cost 150M+.

Regarding Sancho salary, there are multiple reports on Sancho opting for the team that offer him the best wages, of course he is going to demand premium wages.

Sancho is potentially better than Mane, but as of today Mane is a superior player.

It just doesnt make sense what you say, it would be as if us in 2008 were willing to get rid of Cristiano/Rooney to pursue some promising youngster, it doesn’t work that way you don’t change something that is working with incredible results to take a chance with a player that may or may not work.
You say that but recent history suggests differently.

Mr Suarez and Mr Coutinho say hi.
 

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Weren't Chelsea fans telling us CL was important etc, its a straight race but they had no contact since Jan?

Ornstein crushed a lot of dreams with that tweet
 

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Utd will spend definitely but there is no way we splash a 9 digit figure on one player it will raise serious question marks elsewhere and set unnecessary precedents and BVB don`t look particularly desperate to sell. More likely we focus on other positions(CB, CM, ST and a Sancho plan B(Matondo)) for bargain buys and try again for Sancho next year when he is more affordable with a year left on his deal.
What sort of question marks would it raise?
 

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So much for the pandemic affecting Dortmunds asking price...
 

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Weren't Chelsea fans telling us CL was important etc, its a straight race but they had no contact since Jan?

Ornstein crushed a lot of dreams with that tweet
Chelsea won't be buying him anyway. They bought Ziyech and if they get Gomes in, i doubt they will go for another winger. They have currently Pedro, Willian, Hudson-Odoi, Ziyech and Pulisic. Even if Pedro or Willian leave, there is no way they will go out and buy a winger for 100m anytime soon.
 

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Enjoyed watching the documentary on him on BT Sport just now.
 

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So much for the pandemic affecting Dortmunds asking price...
Honestly, Id wait a year. He would have 1 year left with a season of BCD football with one probably behind it. If anything the market will be bleaker next summer.
They cant pretend the flow of the market doesn't affect them
 

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Chelsea won't be buying him anyway. They bought Ziyech and if they get Gomes in, i doubt they will go for another winger. They have currently Pedro, Willian, Hudson-Odoi, Ziyech and Pulisic. Even if Pedro or Willian leave, there is no way they will go out and buy a winger for 100m anytime soon.
Pedro and Willan are definitely leaving, Ziyech is most likely going to play in the attacking midfield role, even if he plays as a winger chelsea will still only have 3 wingers, 2 being very young.
Chelsea also need a marquee signing since Hazard left, and it will make sense for Chelsea to go all out for Sancho.
 

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Honestly, Id wait a year. He would have 1 year left with a season of BCD football with one probably behind it. If anything the market will be bleaker next summer.
They cant pretend the flow of the market doesn't affect them
Unless Jadon really has his heart set on Manchester United being his next club then I’ll be fine with that too and will wait. But if he doesn’t then the risk of waiting next summer is that that other clubs may show a lot more interest in him too and be prepared to match or outspend us for him.
 

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SANCHO deal will most likely happen right at the end of the window if he refuses or indicates not to sign a new contract at BVB.
If they wait another year they risk losing a huge sum which the board probably won’t accept due to the pandemics’ repercussions; mainly BCD football costing them millions in revenue.
Unless rival teams kick off a bidding war, Woodward will play hard ball and probably close the deal in the region of 80-100.
As long as the payment plan can be broken up over the next few years, we should definitely be able to close the deal.
 

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You say that but recent history suggests differently.

Mr Suarez and Mr Coutinho say hi.
Thats why I said if Madrid or Barcelona came asking for the player, but when they did they paid a huge fee for Suarez and Coutinho and currently theyre not in that position.
 

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Buy Grealish and be done with it. We can come back next summer
No way, there could be more competition for his signature. No more indecisiveness please, we need to start getting deals done.
 
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