Protests following the killing of George Floyd

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I have to confess I'm not seeing your point. If white people weren't joining in and there were only black people rioting I don't see how the black community would get any less of the blame.
So that makes it ok for them to join in? With no consequence to themselves but the consequence to the people who they say they are helping? Right...
I'm simply saying protest and fight for us, don't join in with the looting etc, its not helpful. I think my point is clear whether you agree or not.
 

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Who said it's easy? But the alternative is looking bad to the public audience. So you want to go the hard route or the route that makes you look bad?
They want to stop being killed not fecking look good.
 

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Yes, it happens. Occupy wallstreet was a great example for that. Yet, some protests manage to remain peaceful without looting and burning cars happening and others don't. And when it happens, it make these protestors look bad. Or would you disagree about it making the protests look bad?

For now I assume you wouldn't. So what should protestors do? Get actually together and organise themselves to make a more reasonably protest that make more people want to agree with what they protest for. Everything else is harming their cause.
At least 2,845 Black Lives Matter protests and other demonstrations have been held in the past 2,141 days
https://elephrame.com/textbook/BLM

Almost 3000 protests in the last 5 and a half years - nothing has changed.

What else do you suggest, all knowing one?
 

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Who said it's easy? But the alternative is looking bad to the public audience. So you want to go the hard route or the route that makes you look bad?
It’s interesting that you’re so quick to jump to blaming black people for everything.
 

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If that indeed happened, then police should be criticised for it. Hands down and no questions asked.
But this isn't math. Two wrongs don't make a right. You can actually criticise both sides.
They escalated the violence by treating the protesters differently to the ones that went into government buildings protesting lockdowns armed to the teeth.

From the videos i seen it was relatively peacful initially
 

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if you care even a little bit about property damage in response to a long series of racially motivated murders you're a fecking racist
If it weren't for the supposed sensation-value of headlines like '100 Killed in riot', newspapers - so often the platforms of the wealthy - would instead routinely lead with '£10M-worth of rioting damage...oh, and some plebs killed'. It would be more honest, regarding the priorities.
 

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I was never discussing that and you are the one who quoted my point... I was discussing the reality of the world people of color live in and the consequences/repercussions etc
Which is why I said, I don't believe white people joining in with riots and looting is helpful.
"A bad name" to me is about perception. There might be a language barrier but I didn't quote you without genuinely thinking you were talking about that.
I agree that looters aren't helpful, obviously and are just opportunists trying to earn on the situation. Riots however I think can be a protest when the peaceful way of protesting isn't heard.
Joining the riots might not be helpful, but I can understand why they do so when they otherwise might feel powerless to get changes to come.

Despite being as white as snow and living far away from the US, and not having had to deal with any of your problems in any sort of way personally I still get infuriated by seeing how many times these things happen. Where I live we tend to just look at each other when we read these sort of news and shrug our shoulders while exclaiming "murica being murica".
 

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I understand the riots.

They have tried to ask, beg and demonstrate peacefully for changes to happen, but it dont. What are they suppose to do? 'Imagine beeing scared of getting killed if the police stops you. Just imagine.. And all because of the color of your skin.

And then knowing that the punishment the cops will get will be very little, based on the past.

I would riot to.
 

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Who said it's easy? But the alternative is looking bad to the public audience. So you want to go the hard route or the route that makes you look bad?
Or the public audience could realise that there's a possibility of people who aren't involved in the protest using it as a chance to mess about.

How do you propose a protest group stop people from joining and using it as an easy way to loot, or similar.
 

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Riots however I think can be a protest when the peaceful way of protesting isn't heard.
To paraphrase ironically: it's the only language conservative leaders truly understand, due to their historical familiarity.
 

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Not sure i agree with this.

You can understand and be supportive of the riots and the cause, but also wishing there was a better more peaceful way to achieve the goal.

Im yet to see what better way would be however.
 

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if you care even a little bit about property damage in response to a long series of racially motivated murders you're a fecking racist
I don't know the full story, but I will always feel sorry when innocent poor people are victims of property damage. To them it's not just a minor economic setback.

Apart from that: I love a good riot.
 

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So that makes it ok for them to join in? With no consequence to themselves but the consequence to the people who they say they are helping? Right...
I'm simply saying protest and fight for us, don't join in with the looting etc, its not helpful. I think my point is clear whether you agree or not.
Thanks for this post, it cleared up another misunderstanding.
 

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It’s interesting that you’re so quick to jump to blaming black people for everything.
It’s pretty clear what this poster is, judging by their posts throughout the forum
 

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if you care even a little bit about property damage in response to a long series of racially motivated murders you're a fecking racist
I understand the point you’re making bit it’s not quite that cut and dry.

An example being the affordable housing that was burnt to the ground.
 

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:lol: Like clockwork. You’re the same poster who said that Ahmaud Arbery was just as much as a threat to the two white men who shot him as he was standing within ‘fist swinging’ range of them so it’s no surprise you are in here spouting bullshit. Btw what are your thoughts of the killing of George Floyd itself, was he still a threat while his neck was being crushed by the officer’s knee?
Yep. That poster has, in the last few weeks alone, written some of the absolute worst posts I've ever read on here.
 

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I don't know the full story, but I will always feel sorry when innocent poor people are victims of property damage. To them it's not just a minor economic setback.

Apart from that: I love a good riot.
Yea thats a big issue with it, but there really isnt another way that seems viable?

As someone else mentioned peaceful protests just go unnoticed and unreported.

Something needs done to attract attention to the situation.

But again, the fegruson riots etc etc that have happened in the previous years had no lasting effect.
 

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"A bad name" to me is about perception. There might be a language barrier but I didn't quote you without genuinely thinking you were talking about that.
I agree that looters aren't helpful, obviously and are just opportunists trying to earn on the situation. Riots however I think can be a protest when the peaceful way of protesting isn't heard.
Joining the riots might not be helpful, but I can understand why they do so when they otherwise might feel powerless to get changes to come.

Despite being as white as snow and living far away from the US, and not having had to deal with any of your problems in any sort of way personally I still get infuriated by seeing how many times these things happen. Where I live we tend to just look at each other when we read these sort of news and shrug our shoulders while exclaiming "murica being murica".
Possibly bad choice of words on my part.
In my honest opinion, the world is the way it is because even though non minorities might be upset, disgusted etc, it doesn't really affect enough of them in their everyday lives, and so they don't actually find a way to enact real change.
I could be wrong, but that's how I see it myself.
Rioting / protesting serves to highlight a concern and raise awareness, but change will only come when the non-minorities listen (to the call for help which is what the rioting and protesting is) and demand change.
At the moment its only a minority of people actually going about demanding real change, which leads to my point about perception etc.
 

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So that makes it ok for them to join in? With no consequence to themselves but the consequence to the people who they say they are helping? Right...
I'm simply saying protest and fight for us, don't join in with the looting etc, its not helpful. I think my point is clear whether you agree or not.
I think I get you now. White looters aren't so much adding to the fire as getting away without being burned.
 

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if you care even a little bit about property damage in response to a long series of racially motivated murders you're a fecking racist
Oh come on, burning down properties where innocent people live and businesses that have nothing to do with it isn't great is it?! A lot of the people rioting I bet don't give a feck - they're probably comparable to the chavs in the uk riots.
 

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An example being the affordable housing that was burnt to the ground.
it wasn't affordable housing, it was gentrified "affordable housing" where a small stock has been promised for "slightly below average 2 incomes" or for people on $43k/yr, this is just part of the "they're destroying things at random" propaganda that comes with every riot, even target wasn't looted until they refused to sell people milk they can use for tear gar.

and even if it was, idc in the face of what they're protesting
 

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if you care even a little bit about property damage in response to a long series of racially motivated murders you're a fecking racist
They are not mutually exclusive. What an unbelievably stupid post.
 

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They are not mutually exclusive. What an unbelievably stupid post.
Its these sorts of posts that move the whole conversation away from the actual point of the discussion because posters then have defend why they arent racist for not wanting to see damage to innocent peoples livelihoods.
 

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The university of Minneapolis revoked contracts with the police for security at events. That’s a much more constructive way to show your disdain and protest.

There are way too many tactical argument starters on this site. They do it in such a way that it avoids sanction, but instigates frustration amongst the more common sense population on here, which used to be the majority but these days I’m not so sure.
 

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Perhaps the force(s) don't want their response to the riot being filmed...
 

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Unbelievable. And 100% on Trump and his war against CNN.
That can't be fecking legal?

I thought the bbc shutting down your newsnight doll the other day was bad, flip me!

All he is doing is reporting the news?