8 minutes and 46 seconds kneel

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When the football restarts in the premier league, the most watched football league in the world, players should take a knee for 8 minutes and 46 seconds.

We're seeing TV stations and the sort do such.

Before anyone mentions the issue being on America, racism is very much alive in our bigoted little island.
 

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Can't really see a group of PL footballers keep a straight face for 9 full minutes kneeling during a match.
 

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When the football restarts in the premier league, the most watched football league in the world, players should take a knee for 8 minutes and 46 seconds.

We're seeing TV stations and the sort do such.

Before anyone mentions the issue being on America, racism is very much alive in our bigoted little island.
dumb idea. 8 minutes!!
 

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Kneeling at 8 mins 46 sec is something doable but kneeling for 8 mins will never happen.
 

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What happened to that fella was a shame & disgrace. But terrible things happen every day all over the world.

Imo sport should stick with sport & not make political statements regardless of how well intended they are. I go to football to forget about life for a few hours.

Individuals within sport can lend their support outside of the game & any right minded person would support them in doing that.

Just my 2 cents
 

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Totally agree. To the people saying 8 minutes is too long, that’s the feckin point, it is to long to kneel on somebodies neck!

America need shaming, racism is alive in the UK but it’s just a feckin free for all over there.

Time to let them know that they don’t set the tone with acts like this. It cannot be accepted and forgotten and the world is watching.

People should use the 8 minutes to imagine how disgustingly frightening it would be to have the life slowly drained from you.
 

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Footballers, just like all the other professionals should stick to their jobs instead of doing stupid things like this.
 

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I don't entirely get it, but I support your enthusiasm.
 

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Players should not just stick their heads in the sand and pretend like society does not exist around them. The protests surrounding the racist South African teams of the apartheid era brought attention to the situation and helped bring about its downfall.
 
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Footballers, just like all the other professionals should stick to their jobs instead of doing stupid things like this.
"Shut up and dribble". I'm so tired of attitudes like this. Footballers have massive platforms with millions looking up to them, and they should use them to raise awareness for important issues like this, especially when it's so easy to find hateful attitudes from football fans (just look at a facebook comments section). I know I won't change the attitudes of some on here, but there is nothing inherently political about basic human rights. I find often that those that want to equate human rights to politics want an excuse to be blinkered and cry about needing a 'safe space' from any discussion about them, instead of confronting difficult realities about their own privilege and the racism that seeps into every crevasse of society. As an American/European in a city currently experiencing mass protests and with a deep history pertaining to the civil rights movement, this issue is particularly salient to me so I'm sure I'll have stronger opinions than most on a United forum. And while racial divisions are disgustingly and deeply engrained in the fabric of American culture more than anywhere else I've seen, I've heard many clueless attitudes from Europeans who ignore the racist and imperialist histories of their own countries - don't act like systemic racism is only a problem in the U.S. By the way, football has always been intertwined with politics whether you like it or not.

I don't think they'll take a knee for that long during actual matches, but I would love to see it pre-match, and hope television stations would show it if that was the case. All power to them however they choose to express their solidarity and protest - this is much deeper than sport
 
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What happened to that fella was a shame & disgrace. But terrible things happen every day all over the world.

Imo sport should stick with sport & not make political statements regardless of how well intended they are. I go to football to forget about life for a few hours.

Individuals within sport can lend their support outside of the game & any right minded person would support them in doing that.

Just my 2 cents
This.
 

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"Shut up and dribble". I'm so tired of attitudes like this. Footballers have massive platforms with millions looking up to them, and they should use them to raise awareness for important issues like this, especially when it's so easy to find hateful attitudes from football fans (just look at a facebook comments section). I know I won't change the attitudes of some on here, but there is nothing inherently political about basic human rights. I find often that those that want to equate human rights to politics want an excuse to be blinkered and cry about needing a 'safe space' from any discussion about them, instead of confronting difficult realities about their own privilege and the racism that seeps into every crevasse of society (and not just here in America). As an American in a city currently experiencing mass protests, this issue is particularly salient to me. By the way, football has always been intertwined with politics whether you like it or not.

I don't think they'll take a knee for that long during actual matches, but I would love to see it pre-match, and hope television stations would show it if that was the case.
And I am sick of everyone jumping the gun and encouraging what's happening blatantly cherrypicking certain details to fit their agenda. George Floyd is being painted as some sort of Saint right now but the reality is that he was far from it. How about the cop who was shot by protesters? Nobody is talking about it because they are too busy "protesting". Footballers just like many other athletes and professionals do a lot of anti-racism campaigns and they should stick to doing that but they should not be involved in individual accidents like this.
 

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And I am sick of everyone jumping the gun and encouraging what's happening blatantly cherrypicking certain details to fit their agenda. George Floyd is being painted as some sort of Saint right now but the reality is that he was far from it. How about the cop who was shot by protesters? Nobody is talking about it because they are too busy "protesting". Footballers just like many other athletes and professionals do a lot of anti-racism campaigns and they should stick to doing that but they should not be involved in individual accidents like this.
This has to be trolling surely?
 

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And I am sick of everyone jumping the gun and encouraging what's happening blatantly cherrypicking certain details to fit their agenda. George Floyd is being painted as some sort of Saint right now but the reality is that he was far from it. How about the cop who was shot by protesters? Nobody is talking about it because they are too busy "protesting". Footballers just like many other athletes and professionals do a lot of anti-racism campaigns and they should stick to doing that but they should not be involved in individual accidents like this.
What are you on about? What happened to George Floyd is symbolic of the systematic oppression of black people in white American society.

The rest of your post is a shameful trainwreck.
 
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And I am sick of everyone jumping the gun and encouraging what's happening blatantly cherrypicking certain details to fit their agenda. George Floyd is being painted as some sort of Saint right now but the reality is that he was far from it. How about the cop who was shot by protesters? Nobody is talking about it because they are too busy "protesting". Footballers just like many other athletes and professionals do a lot of anti-racism campaigns and they should stick to doing that but they should not be involved in individual accidents like this.
Ah yes, you've shown your true colors with this comment. A man was murdered because of suspicion (unproven) that he paid with a counterfeit $20. He screamed he couldn't breathe as a police officer kneeled on his neck for nearly 9 minutes until he died. Let me repeat again, George Floyd was murdered in cold blood. Whatever you're referring to when you say he was 'no saint', it has 0 relevance and provides 0 basis to his murder. That is the reality that black Americans face when they wake up every single fecking day. They're scared to drive alone because they might become the next Sandra Bland. They're scared to jog in their neighborhoods because they might become the next Ahmaud Arbery. Black people are terrified, traumatized, and mentally exhausted from having to advocate for their human rights every day. According to your profile, you're from Spain so I trust you're not familiar with all the realities of the American system. A system that is not broken because it's doing exactly what it was designed to do, which is to oppress people of color, especially black people. The police here aren't law enforcement - they're bullies and psychopaths living out their fantasies and terrorizing innocent civilians.

I'm glad millionaire footballers are more educated and aware than you on this topic, because your comment was absolutely disgusting.
 
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feck off... Did you write it on your IPhone made by modern slaves in somewhere South-East Asia?
 

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What happened to that fella was a shame & disgrace. But terrible things happen every day all over the world.

Imo sport should stick with sport & not make political statements regardless of how well intended they are. I go to football to forget about life for a few hours.

Individuals within sport can lend their support outside of the game & any right minded person would support them in doing that.

Just my 2 cents
Ah yes, "bad things happen everywhere, get used to it." Awful. Who cares about why you go to football? This isn't something people should be able to run away from.
 

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A lot of people who spend an inordinate amount of time in the online world are intensely Americanised, truly believe they live in America and that American issues are global issues. They aren't
Where was the Premier League when thousands upon thousands of innocents were dying from American drone strikes? Where was the PL on the crack down in Hong Kong? Where was it on a hundred other injustices that don't seem to matter because they don't occur in the western world? This will get a lot of likes on twitter though so it will probably go through in some form
 

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And I am sick of everyone jumping the gun and encouraging what's happening blatantly cherrypicking certain details to fit their agenda. George Floyd is being painted as some sort of Saint right now but the reality is that he was far from it. How about the cop who was shot by protesters? Nobody is talking about it because they are too busy "protesting". Footballers just like many other athletes and professionals do a lot of anti-racism campaigns and they should stick to doing that but they should not be involved in individual accidents like this.
This is an unbelievable post, no one is cherrypicking to fit agendas, this isn't about agendas it's about human rights, that's not politics, or agenda - it's the right to go about your business without being murdered by the state.

"George Floyd is being painted as some sort of Saint right now but the reality is that he was far from it" George Floyd probably wasn't a saint, who the feck is. But he was a man who possibly used a fake $20 note to buy some ciggies and he was murdered by the police for it. If you think standing against that is cherry picking to fit an agenda then fair enough.

"How about the cop who was shot by protesters?" Yes one policeman was shot and killed and his colleague injured, but using that as a reason why people can not protest for basic human rights is frankly ridiculous. If you want to go down the "how about" route, how about Michael Brown, how about Freddie Gray, how about Philando Castlie, Eric Garner, Jamar Clarke the list goes on and on and on as one protestor put it yesterday, "the names change but the co,our of their skin doesn't". The rate for black men being killed by police is on average 3-5 times higher per year than white men.

This is no "individual accident" and it's appalling that you would describe it as that. A policeman knelt on his neck for 8 minutes and 46 seconds and carried for at least 2 minutes after they couldn't find a pulse. That's not an accident it's fecking murder.

And as for footballers, they can do or protest what they want, if they want to kneel for for 8 minutes and 46 seconds, then good on them, it doesn't need the likes of you telling them what they should and shouldn't be involved in. Should Colin Kaepernick have just got on with it and ignored the police brutality and the Black Lives Matter movement, because the incidents were "individual accidents" that they shouldn't get involved with?

A fecking appalling post
 
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This is an unbelievable post, no one is cherrypicking to fit agendas, this isn't about agendas it's about human rights, that's not politics, or agenda - it's the right to go about your business without being murdered by the state.

"George Floyd is being painted as some sort of Saint right now but the reality is that he was far from it" George Floyd probably wasn't a saint, who the feck is. But he was a man who possibly used a fake $20 note to buy some ciggies and he was murdered by the police for it. If you think standing against that is cherry picking to fit an agenda then fair enough.

"How about the cop who was shot by protesters?" Yes one policeman was shot and killed and his colleague injured, but using that as a reason why people can not protest for basic human rights is frankly ridiculous. If you want to go down the "how about" route, how about Michael Brown, how about Freddie Gray, how about Philando Castlie, Eric Garner, Jamar Clarke the list goes on and on and on as one protestor put it yesterday, "the names change but the co,our of their skin doesn't". The rate for black men being killed by police is on average 3-5 times higher per year than white men.

This is no "individual accident" and it's appalling that you would describe it as that. A policeman knelt on his neck for 8 minutes and 46 seconds and carried for at least 2 minutes after they couldn't find a pulse. That's not an accident it's fecking murder.

And as for footballers, they can do or protest what they want, if they want to kneel for for 8 minutes and 46 seconds, then good on them, it doesn't need the likes of you telling them what they should and shouldn't be involved in. Should Colin Kaepernick have just got on with it and ignored the police brutality and the Black Lives Matter movement, because the incidents were "individual accidents" that they shouldn't get involved with?

A fecking appalling post
Fantastic post. They always want to tell people, especially people of color, how to express their grief and anger. It's never enough. When Colin Kaepernick peacefully knelt during the anthem, he was called an SOB and every name under the sun by white people. Now those same people are calling protestors 'thugs', saying they should be peacefully protesting. They always want to be in control, to them their own fragile 'comfort' is more important than anything else.
 

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While maybe 8 minutes 46 seconds may be too much, but I would definitely not be against there being a wide minute of silence while taking the knee.

I don't understand this argument that footballers can't protest and 'should stick to their jobs'. There are alot of black footballers who may have come through situations where they themselves have felt victimized by authority or society, that should be plenty reason for them, and their teammates, to support the wider protest.

People sold realise this has gone beyond the US. There was a protest in Berlin over the same last week and now there will be one in Munich as well next week.
 

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The ignorance in this thread is so typical of the football forum on here. Glad to see not everyone on here is disgusting but I’m ashamed to be associated with some of the posts, just mind numbingly bad.
 

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And I am sick of everyone jumping the gun and encouraging what's happening blatantly cherrypicking certain details to fit their agenda. George Floyd is being painted as some sort of Saint right now but the reality is that he was far from it. How about the cop who was shot by protesters? Nobody is talking about it because they are too busy "protesting". Footballers just like many other athletes and professionals do a lot of anti-racism campaigns and they should stick to doing that but they should not be involved in individual accidents like this.
I don’t even have words for what you have posted. You are 100% part of the problem. In fact until I read this I thought the thread starter was asking too much. Now I can see why it’s not a bad idea if it brings attention to the problem and people that are part of the problem.
At this point I would say that players or anybody should do what ever they can by any means necessary to stop the murder that is going on. And it is murder right there for the world to see. It’s the same as seeing clips of people being hanged in the middle of a football stadium. It’s all pre-meditated murder. This goes further though as it’s murder because of the color of someone’s skin. That is fecking insane in the year 2020.
So again , athletes or for that matter anyone can do whatever the hell they want to bring attention to this. Honestly if Black people walked off the sporting fields of the world to show how much they are needed and bring this thing to get the attention it needs so be it.
 

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And I am sick of everyone jumping the gun and encouraging what's happening blatantly cherrypicking certain details to fit their agenda. George Floyd is being painted as some sort of Saint right now but the reality is that he was far from it. How about the cop who was shot by protesters? Nobody is talking about it because they are too busy "protesting". Footballers just like many other athletes and professionals do a lot of anti-racism campaigns and they should stick to doing that but they should not be involved in individual accidents like this.
And I’m sick of people saying ‘x shouldn’t be politicised’ to fit their own agenda.
 

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And I am sick of everyone jumping the gun and encouraging what's happening blatantly cherrypicking certain details to fit their agenda. George Floyd is being painted as some sort of Saint right now but the reality is that he was far from it. How about the cop who was shot by protesters? Nobody is talking about it because they are too busy "protesting". Footballers just like many other athletes and professionals do a lot of anti-racism campaigns and they should stick to doing that but they should not be involved in individual accidents like this.
Does it even matter whether he was a saint or a criminal? No one should be killed regardless of the crimes they have or haven’t committed. Lethal force is an absolute last resort to stop someone who is seconds away from killing other people. Someone who is pinned down and handcuffed is no longer a threat.

If he was proven to be a criminal then he has the same rights to go through the courts as everyone else and be given the appropriate punishment.

As for the kneeling I have no problem with players doing it but I think the entire 8:46 Is unlikely. It’s more likely to be a 1 minute silence or kneel.
 

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And I am sick of everyone jumping the gun and encouraging what's happening blatantly cherrypicking certain details to fit their agenda. George Floyd is being painted as some sort of Saint right now but the reality is that he was far from it. How about the cop who was shot by protesters? Nobody is talking about it because they are too busy "protesting". Footballers just like many other athletes and professionals do a lot of anti-racism campaigns and they should stick to doing that but they should not be involved in individual accidents like this.
The best part of this post was when it ended.
 

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The players should do what they want to do. They are not some tool of society.
 

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What happened to that fella was a shame & disgrace. But terrible things happen every day all over the world.

Imo sport should stick with sport & not make political statements regardless of how well intended they are. I go to football to forget about life for a few hours.

Individuals within sport can lend their support outside of the game & any right minded person would support them in doing that.

Just my 2 cents
"Protest all you want as long as it's not inconvenient to my entertainment", fecking hell what an attitude.