I could not believe what I was watching, I was thinking he had a head injury and was wonky. WTF.
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Any update on Garcia? I imagine it's concussion at best.
It’s reckless play and Guardiola and his coaches need to have a word with him. His complete non-interest in a distressing injury that he caused was disgraceful.
It could affect the young lads career something like that. The more we find out about concussions, the scarier they are.
It could affect the young lads career something like that. The more we find out about concussions, the scarier they are.
He came out and headed the ball? Isn’t it said that a goalkeeper who comes out to deal with a situation and takes everything out with him is a good thing? Don’t think he’s done much wrong there in that sense ... in fact, can understand why he does come out because he can see the whole situation unfolding. Plus he headed it, so put himself at risk too. This wasn’t a cowards challenge like Schumacher or going feet first. Collisions are part and parcel. Lack of concern for Garcia was very odd though.
Been a cnut this lad ever since he rocked up to the emptyhad
I think it’s because it’s Garcia and he’s a young player so he didn’t gave a feck. I would imagine if it’s one of the senior players like Kompany (i know he left the club) or KDB he did that against, he would likely show actual care and concern.
I thought this thread was bumped due to him setting up the penalty situation, or the other two times when his direct passing led to a clear cut chance. Bit of a lunatic though of course.
Absolute fecking moron, he destroyed the kid. I hope Garcia makes a full recovery
One positive thing about the lack of crowd noise is you can hear the players communicating. Did anyone hear a peep out of Ederson before he almost killed his own player? Apart from being insanely reckless, that’s just poor goalkeeping.
The protection that keepers are afforded is a disgrace. You can't even touch one without a foul given against you yet they can come out and do what Ederson did to Garcia or what Neuer did to Higuain in the WC final. No other person on the pitch is allowed to be so reckless.
It might be said but that doesn't mean it's correct.
1) At no point is endangering players through recklessly "taking everything out with him" a good thing. Not least because had it been the opposition player he collided with he would have been sent off. You can't do that on a football pitch.
2) In this case it needlessly increased the chances of City conceding a goal and reduced the chances of them winning the game. Which aside from anything else is poor goalkeeping.
Good goalkeeping would have been judging when to come out and when to stay back well, communicating with his teammates, not needlessly smashing into them when they're not expecting it, cleanly and effectively clearing the ball if he comes out and actually helping his team rather than hindering them.
No, just no.
You want your goalkeeper to not shy away from putting himself in harms way when required, but that's entirely different from going into duels endangering other players.
He's an absolute tool for going out there in the first place. Garcia has the situation under control, his position is perfect and there's 2 outfield players he can pass the ball to if he doesn't want to clear it. Ederson comes flying in without even shouting, arms lifted to protect himself, and completely knocks out Garcia who is focusing on the ball. Even if he didn't clatter the feck out of him and forcing the ref to stop play, his stupidity means that City have gone from being fully in control of the situation to an Arsenal player receiving the ball out wide with Ederson miles away from goal.
Ederson gets the square root of feck all correct in that situation.
Edersons fists were in front of his chest bracing himself for contact, and ensuring that he dealt damage to whomever he clattered into.
Poor goalkeeping overall and had it been an opponent he clattered, would have been a red card.
Reckless and harmful.
Poor goalkeeping overall and had it been an opponent he clattered, would have been a red card.
Reckless and harmful.
That's crying out for a Ghana Remembers edit.
Surely it could be a red card regardless. It was incredibly dangerous and just because he accidentally hit his own team mate doesn't make it ok.
Is the purpose of a straight red not to remove a dangerous individual from the pitch who could harm other players?
EDIT: Jeff Winter says it here too RE Bowyer and Dyer. 54 seconds.
Come on, take a minute and think, you can't punish a team potentionally leaving them with 9 players when another player is the victim of the action, it would be absurd. Ederson comes out and takes Eric Garcia out, Ederson gets a red card, Garcia is out of the game, if City can't make subs in one action they lose 2 players without gaining any advantage from it, are they going to signal a foul for City and keep the game going like it's not the dumbest thing to do in the world?.
Nevermind other implications, if you can punish players for actions like that against their teammates, in a couple years you're going to have rival players circling a ref because a defender and a midfielder went for a tackle at the same time and one took the other out, or defenders heading themselves on set pieces, or a GK knocking up a defender on a corner...
In the case of Bowyer vs Dier is not as much about harming each other, but unsportsmanlike behaviour, they're not supposed to enter on a fist fight in the middle of the pitch, be it against a rival, the ref, the fans or a teammate.
The whole point of sending off violent/reckless players is to ensure the safety of players on the pitch. It’s not about giving the opposition a competitive advantage. Ederson behaved in a way that could have killed a fellow professional, so should have been punished for his reckless disregard of the safety of others. The fact that this left City two players down would have been tough shit on them and entirely Ederson’s fault.
Your way off the mark.
There is collisions and there is reckless endangerment. He saw the group of players approaching, ran full speed and dove into them using his fists to protect himself. You can't call it an accident, an injury to one or more of those four players was inevitable.
He could have crippled or killed a man. It's a straight red.
Its sort of the worst tackler you can hope to get.
... In NFL
...... with a helmet on
I even think they should considering banning Ederson in retrospective
... In NFL
...... with a helmet on
I even think they should considering banning Ederson in retrospective
This guy is a real danger.
If I was a city defender with a ball going over my head I'd be very hesitant of chasing it
If I was a city defender with a ball going over my head I'd be very hesitant of chasing it
Great distribution, bit of a lunatic in goals and very reckless.
Don't think it was a red - as you can't prove any intent - and generally keepers have always been allowed to clatter into their own players to clear/gather the ball. But the way he handled the situation, smirking and smiling about at the end, when the young guy was barely moving, was a bit weird.
If that's given a red, then every keeper coming out of his line to clear and punch and clatters into his own defenders will need to be carded.
Or maybe the rules - especially the ones protecting keepers, should be looked at again.
Don't think it was a red - as you can't prove any intent - and generally keepers have always been allowed to clatter into their own players to clear/gather the ball. But the way he handled the situation, smirking and smiling about at the end, when the young guy was barely moving, was a bit weird.
If that's given a red, then every keeper coming out of his line to clear and punch and clatters into his own defenders will need to be carded.
Or maybe the rules - especially the ones protecting keepers, should be looked at again.
Again it's endangering players on the pitch regardless of what side they're on. If you have a goalkeeper reckless enough to smash into his own player with that much force you deserve to be down to 9.
This is my take on it too. Bad collision but no malice. The aftermath was the only concern, maybe he is not good at expressing those kind of feelings.
If a defender did that to a striker running towards him it would be a red without any question.
That is WAY more dangerous than any sliding tackle, he's very lucky he didn't injure Garcia's neck or head more severely. The force he hits him with and the way he just jogs back to his goal without a worried look?! very strange.
Glad to see he seems to be OK though thankfully.
He'd be ejected if that hit took place in the NFL.
Referees should be able to give out red cards in situations like this, but it's easy to see how he got away with it yesterday. His behavior afterwards was ridiculous too.
Yeah this
Shocking in the moment, his reaction was very off putting, and he should be getting a talking to all week in training.
But given that this happened with Garcia (a defender with not much experience of playing with Ederson), and I don't recall this happening before, I'm inclined to write this off as a mistake. Glad Garcia is ok, could have been much worse.
True, although the difference with the dyer incident was the fact it was off the ball and a full on scrap!
Ederson at least had a case of going for the ball etc.
But yeah, a red could still have been valid.
Actually no, I change my mind, it was reckless play and he should be sent off. Consistent with Mane's red card against Ederson 2 seasons ago. Sure he didn't mean it, and it's consistent with his sweeper style of play, so an outlier. Still warranted a red card. Now I don't think City should be penalized with not being able to replace Garcia on the pitch.
Garcia looks very good in that role, must be said.
Garcia looks very good in that role, must be said.
Of course it was a mistake. I highly doubt he did it with the intention of smacking into his own teammate. But that doesn't negate the fact that it was completely reckless and endangers the safety of another player. The fact it was his own teammate shouldn't come into the equation.
cnut.
Should be updated in the thread title to be honest.
Read the post above yours
Just checked the Laws of the Game and I think he gets off on a technicality.
So the ref made the right decision.
Although I would argue that the law is an ass here...
If he’s challenging for the ball he can only be sent off for serious foul play. In which case he has to endanger an opponent. Violent conduct will allow a player to be sent off for using excessive force/brutality or punching anyone else on the pitch. But this has to happen when not challenging for the ball.
So the ref made the right decision.
Although I would argue that the law is an ass here...
Disagree about that. That was a potentially dangerous moment for Arsenal. Watching that you cannot say for sure Garcia has it under control + it’s a bouncing ball and Ederson makes the decision early that he can get there first and deal with it, which is correct. Now, just because he was reckless does not mean the decision was wrong. The decision was fine, he dealt with it, it was how he achieved it that was the issue.
No, just no.
You want your goalkeeper to not shy away from putting himself in harms way when required, but that's entirely different from going into duels endangering other players.
He's an absolute tool for going out there in the first place. Garcia has the situation under control, his position is perfect and there's 2 outfield players he can pass the ball to if he doesn't want to clear it. Ederson comes flying in without even shouting, arms lifted to protect himself, and completely knocks out Garcia who is focusing on the ball. Even if he didn't clatter the feck out of him and forcing the ref to stop play, his stupidity means that City have gone from being fully in control of the situation to an Arsenal player receiving the ball out wide with Ederson miles away from goal.
Ederson gets the square root of feck all correct in that situation.
I agree with those saying he should be sent off, though. Keepers are given far too much freedom to disregard an opponent’s (or teammate in this case) safety in challenging for the ball. Remember the Spurs Chelsea penalty earlier this season where the keeper charged into Alonso and the ref gave a freekick to Spurs before VAR overruled it thankfully? Sums up how a refs instinct in any collision involving a GK is to side with them.
Update on Garcia: he's been discharged from hospital.
That’s a relief, because it looked scary at the time. I wonder if his teammate who did the damage bothered checking on him.
Yeah, there’s pictures on social media of him with his arm around him.
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Thats good to hear actually. Maybe didn’t realise how badly he cleaned him out at the time, or was embarrassed by it and reacted strangely.
OR uses excessive force or Brutality.
To me that was extremely excessive force. Goalkeepers seem to think you can murder somebody as long as you touch the ball first.
Seems he didn't learn from the Mane situation.
Nah, it's a shit decision 10/10 times given the same scenario and the logic behind it is simple, there's no 50-50 for the ball between Garcia and Aubameyang.Garcia has the situation under control, the ball is close to him and it isn't bouncing miles into the air so it's not going to go over him and he's also blocking the path for Aubameyang. There's just no need, whatsoever, for Ederson to come charging in, the distance between the players and the ball means that someone is always going to get twatted.
Even if he had shouted to make Garcia aware that he's charging for it, there's a big risk of completely fecking everything up as Garcia has feck all time to get away, you risk Garcia stepping the wrong way and preventing Ederson from reaching the ball.
So no, it's a shit decision