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It really does not, we have no reason to sign anyone when Fernandes is already signed. If we are looking at him, then it is because he should be good enough talent for us to sign.
Is it possible that as part of the Fernandes negotiations, or even to get to the table with his agent in the first place, that we would agree to sign his other client as well?

Instead of paying him some insane agent fee, we do this little side deal as a favor.
 

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I'm not saying it IS dodgy, just that it sounds dodgy.

As in we were are doing a favor to Bruno's family member by signing his other client. I am making completely unfounded accusations, and it is all fantasy shit, but still.... it sounds dodgy.

Unless this lad is legit, in which case I reserve the right to claim to be on board with his signing since day 1.
It looks as if you’ve mmade a dodgy claim. The claim isn’t necessarily dodgy, though, it merely looks dodgy.
 

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Is it possible that as part of the Fernandes negotiations, or even to get to the table with his agent in the first place, that we would agree to sign his other client as well?

Instead of paying him some insane agent fee, we do this little side deal as a favor.
No, that makes no sense. Fernandes is already our player, we have no obligation to buy any one else now if we don't want to. If we don't think he is talented enough, we are not going to buy him just to facilitate a deal that is already done.

It literally makes no sense to buy a player, and a youth player at that, if we have no need for him or don't rate his talent, as part of a deal that is already done and dusted.
 

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No, that makes no sense. Fernandes is already our player, we have no obligation to buy any one else now if we don't want to. If we don't think he is talented enough, we are not going to buy him just to facilitate a deal that is already done.

It literally makes no sense to buy a player, and a youth player at that, if we have no need for him or don't rate his talent, as part of a deal that is already done and dusted.
Mate my point is that we would have made the agreement before Fernandes was our player, or at the same time as he was signing to become our player. This young lad, the agents other client, would have been part of the deal. It would be a package deal. We buy Bruno now, and then the young lad in the summer.

I think football clubs do dodgy deals with agents all the time, and just threw out a chance that this could be one such situation. If you still feel so strongly that this just isn't in the realm of possibility, than fair enough. I will leave it alone and wish you well for the weekend!
 

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Mate my point is that we would have made the agreement before Fernandes was our player, or at the same time as he was signing to become our player. This young lad, the agents other client, would have been part of the deal. It would be a package deal. We buy Bruno now, and then the young lad in the summer.

I think football clubs do dodgy deals with agents all the time, and just threw out a chance that this could be one such situation. If you still feel so strongly that this just isn't in the realm of possibility, than fair enough. I will leave it alone and wish you well for the weekend!
And my point is that it makes no sense whatsoever. If we wanted to do a package deal, why wait to sign him ?? We would have signed them together if we wanted to do that, but we did not. Now, after Fernandes is already signed, we literally have no obligation to sign him if we don't want to.

There is nothing dodgy here apart from some fictional scenario you have imagined, which makes no sense in reality.

Why would the agent want to have us sign a player we have no interest in, keep in mind that as a youth player there is not going to be a big transfer fee here, and the agent would get nothing in this. Also, Sporting is not some small obscure club that he needs to be desperate to look to transfer the player now. It would be beneficial for the agent to have the player break through at Sporting, sign a contract and then let him move for bigger money than what would be offered currently.

Also, while dodgy deals do exist, they are not as widespread and obvious as you think. This is not the case here certainly. An agent can have multiple players that he represents, he is not going to jeopardize his main player's big deal over something like this. If every agent wanted to do this, we would be flooded with players we don't need nor rate, which is stupid and is very negative for the club itself. There was no great competition to sign Fernandes anyway that we would need try and put some additional benefits to sweeten the deal.

The likely scenario is that we just want to sign this player, and see that we have an opportunity as we have already worked with the agent before, and that could give us an edge in convincing the player to our side.
 

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Remember the time when we signed 5-6 of Huddersfield's prospects when their academy closed? Are they still at the club or have they been released?
The best out of them - Murray and Pickup still at the club. (U15 and U14). The rest didn't eventually make the cut.
 

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Does anyone know if the u23s will be promoted next season or will it be another year of second tier?
 

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And my point is that it makes no sense whatsoever. If we wanted to do a package deal, why wait to sign him ?? We would have signed them together if we wanted to do that, but we did not. Now, after Fernandes is already signed, we literally have no obligation to sign him if we don't want to.

There is nothing dodgy here apart from some fictional scenario you have imagined, which makes no sense in reality.

Why would the agent want to have us sign a player we have no interest in, keep in mind that as a youth player there is not going to be a big transfer fee here, and the agent would get nothing in this. Also, Sporting is not some small obscure club that he needs to be desperate to look to transfer the player now. It would be beneficial for the agent to have the player break through at Sporting, sign a contract and then let him move for bigger money than what would be offered currently.

Also, while dodgy deals do exist, they are not as widespread and obvious as you think. This is not the case here certainly. An agent can have multiple players that he represents, he is not going to jeopardize his main player's big deal over something like this. If every agent wanted to do this, we would be flooded with players we don't need nor rate, which is stupid and is very negative for the club itself. There was no great competition to sign Fernandes anyway that we would need try and put some additional benefits to sweeten the deal.

The likely scenario is that we just want to sign this player, and see that we have an opportunity as we have already worked with the agent before, and that could give us an edge in convincing the player to our side.
You make a strong case. I renounce my dodgy claims and apologize to Bruno's agent and this young leftback.
 

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A general question on loaning young players out: is it possible to loan lets say two players to the same club? and is it beneficial?
I was thinking more in the direction of Garner and Levitt, they are a good partnership so it could be nice to send them to continue to work together, maybe.
 

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A general question on loaning young players out: is it possible to loan lets say two players to the same club? and is it beneficial?
I was thinking more in the direction of Garner and Levitt, they are a good partnership so it could be nice to send them to continue to work together, maybe.
Rules vary by division. A championship side can sign as many U-21 loanees as they like. They can sign up to 4 from the same club; with no more than 2 of them 23, or over. A maximum of 5 can be played in a match. Loan rules are very flexible; provided the club are in the lower leagues.
 

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A general question on loaning young players out: is it possible to loan lets say two players to the same club? and is it beneficial?
I was thinking more in the direction of Garner and Levitt, they are a good partnership so it could be nice to send them to continue to work together, maybe.
EFL clubs can loan 4 players from one club.
Is it beneficial, if you can somehow find a club willing to start both of them then sure. But I imagine it’s going to be rather hard to find any club that needs two loan CMs in their starting XI and also happen to specifically want both Garner and Levitt.
 

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Sounds like he ought to stay at Mallorca if they're willing to get him into the first team next year. Won't complain if we really did get the Mexican Messi though!
 

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Sounds like he ought to stay at Mallorca if they're willing to get him into the first team next year. Won't complain if we really did get the Mexican Messi though!
Most probably, but it is highlighting our aggressive youth recruitment strategy which is really encouraging!
 

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City lost another promising youngster, Charlie McNeil moving to Red Bull.
 

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I think we have a policy not to resign youngsters that left for City.
(I didn't recall him playing for us before but maybe he left at 10 or 11)
 

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I think we have a policy not to resign youngsters that left for City.
(I didn't recall him playing for us before but maybe he left at 10 or 11)
Charlie Savage posted a picture of him and McNeill in United Shirt on his instagram
 

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Charlie Savage posted a picture of him and McNeill in United Shirt on his instagram
Was a done deal to Leipzig quite a while back. Wolves came in late and Leicester to offer big money but he's gone to Leipzig so get deleted!
 

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So McGhee will leave the club.

I assume the following players wouldn't play for the U23 next season for various reasons: Gomes, Chong, Garner, O'Hara, Borthwick-Jackson, Mitchell, Galbraith, Hamilton, Levitt, Bughail-Mellor, Barlow, Ramazani, Kovar, Fojticek, Woolston, Carney, Bernard, Taylor & Tanner

That would mean.....
Goalkeepers: Bishop & Mastny
Defenders: Laird, Neville, Denham, Ercolani, Mengi, Hockenhull, Bejger & Devine
Midfielders: Traore, Puigmal, Mejbri, McCann & Helm
Forwards: Hoogewerf, Elanga & Stanley
 

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Honestly, I think it would be good step forward to let go kids that are 19-20. On loan or for good, as I can't see how they will improve by playing noncompetitive matches at that age. Mcghee is good kid for example, talented, and probably he can play every week in almost any League 1 side, and even some Championship sides. Especially if they see him as someone they can earn from in a year or two. For me, he can be PL player at one stage, but not if he miss a year or two at this stage.
Levitt, Galbraith, Kovar, Bernard should go on loan. I think Traore and Puigmal as well, maybe in January if not now.
Gomes (if signs), Chong, Garner, Laird....I guess good loan as well or giving them serious minutes if you think they are ready.
Others should be sold or let them free for some future fee.
 

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Interesting whether we will have a high-profile academy signing this summer, someone like Hannibal.
 

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Honestly, I think it would be good step forward to let go kids that are 19-20. On loan or for good, as I can't see how they will improve by playing noncompetitive matches at that age. Mcghee is good kid for example, talented, and probably he can play every week in almost any League 1 side, and even some Championship sides. Especially if they see him as someone they can earn from in a year or two. For me, he can be PL player at one stage, but not if he miss a year or two at this stage.
Levitt, Galbraith, Kovar, Bernard should go on loan. I think Traore and Puigmal as well, maybe in January if not now.
Gomes (if signs), Chong, Garner, Laird....I guess good loan as well or giving them serious minutes if you think they are ready.
Others should be sold or let them free for some future fee.
McGhee is nowhere even fecking close to what you’ve just tried to claim. He’s a terrible u23s player. A PL player, bloody hell.
 

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Interesting whether we will have a high-profile academy signing this summer, someone like Hannibal.
I think there'll be, clubs will be fighting to sign best European U18 players before Brexit comes in.