Jose Mourinho | Spurs manager

At every club he's been at since 2002, Mourinho has won trophies. Will he win one at Spurs?


  • Total voters
    1,179
  • Poll closed .

Sandikan

aka sex on the beach
Joined
Mar 14, 2011
Messages
52,710
I would say considering no big club will go near him it was a smart choice by Jose. He loves the underdog mentality where pressure will be less and spurs are a perfect club. Even if he wins a league cup he would be consider himself as a genius who helped spurs win a trophy. No one expects him to win the title or even challenge for it. And even if he misses top 4 for a season he will find a way to make excuses and most of the spurs fans will buy him.

Live in london, managing a decent side, less pressure. I would say Jose made a smart move (unless newscastle really start spending crazy)
Yes that way round is no lose, as even if he fails, he's earnt millions more and can add all manner of disclaimers.
But why didn't Tottenham recognise he's not a top level manager anymore? Who else would they get is the big question of course.
 

AshRK

Full Member
Joined
Apr 23, 2017
Messages
12,095
Location
Canada
Yes that way round is no lose, as even if he fails, he's earnt millions more and can add all manner of disclaimers.
But why didn't Tottenham recognise he's not a top level manager anymore? Who else would they get is the big question of course.
I may be wrong but I feel levy panicked and sacked Poch and then appointed Jose. Levy is a shrewd businessman so he for sure would know what he is getting with Jose. So maybe it was his plan to get Jose and win a trophy or two even if that means whining and crying.

I personally think they should not have sacked Poch, but then again we don't know what happened behind the scene between poch/players/the board.
 

anant

Correctly predicted Italy to win Euro 2020
Joined
Feb 28, 2015
Messages
8,258
He literally says in the next breath that it was a great decision to sign him and that he has a great future ahead of him.
Not criticizing him for that but it's not the best line to say to someone that they weren't what they initially wanted.
 

Born2Lose

Full Member
Joined
Feb 8, 2015
Messages
2,534
I clearly recognized that Tottenham's team last night, it felt strange.
It was like Jose's United vs this United.
Yes a real reminder of just how bad we were to watch under Mourinho and how much better we are to watch now.
 

DWelbz19

Correctly predicted Portugal to win Euro 2016
Joined
Oct 31, 2012
Messages
33,741
The fact that he needs to bring up Drogba (a player he managed about 15 years ago) says it all, really.
 

Berbasbullet

Too Boring For A Funny Tagline
Joined
Nov 3, 2011
Messages
20,031
I’m a huge fan of Jose, and really wanted it to work out with him.

But you can already see it falling apart at Spurs, be lucky to be there by the end of the year.

He’s so insecure, no one was questioning his ability with top strikers were they?
 

RUCK4444

New Member
Joined
Feb 3, 2015
Messages
9,553
Location
$¥$¥$¥$¥$
I used to have a lot of respect for Jose but it’s beginning to become pretty shameless the way he goes about the game.

It’s a negative mindset and it permeates right through to recruitment to follow that ideology, coupled with the miserable front he puts up, throwing players under the bus, fall outs. Very little upside.

It’s quite literally becoming the anti-football approach that he’s designed, and it doesn’t even win him the big prizes anymore.

He’s the Ying to Pep & Klopps Yang.

Gotta love the way he dogmatically continues his approach though, you can see he still believes everybody else is wrong and he’s right. Reminds me of myself on this forum in some ways :wenger:
 

RUCK4444

New Member
Joined
Feb 3, 2015
Messages
9,553
Location
$¥$¥$¥$¥$
Worth pointing out how Spurs were physically gone after 60 mins. It was a big issue at Utd how lacking the squad was in pure fitness under Mourinho. Kane was busted by HT but for some reason lasted the 90.
Yeah Kane looked like he had aged 10 years during lockdown :lol: He was done.

Looked slower than Maguire and more breathless than Anderson.
 

Dancfc

Full Member
Joined
Oct 28, 2016
Messages
7,392
Supports
Chelsea
The only way he can win a league title is if he joins PSG or bayern. Cannot see him doing that in a competitive league. More than his tactics and style.of football I feel it is his demeanor that has completely changed in last 4 to 5 years. It's like the scars from the chelsea season has not gone. Everytime he speaks as a manager he is trying to prove others wrong and teaching history of how he once achieved so much.
He's been slowly losing it since Real. At Madrid he had his first experience at serious adversity. A number of things have slowly contributed in creating a put bluntly bang average manager in the present day.

He never before Real had a squad and fanbase with the vast majority not fully behind him, he never before had a manager have such the beating of him as Pep did. Although he created a team that toppled that Barca side to a title which was a great achievement he never went all in on trusting a squad and fanbase again.

He returned to us and while his tactical astuteness was still evident (especially in big games) something was missing from before, the title was great but i feel he went all in on achieving it with no thought for the bigger picture, and it showed. I think 15/16 was a killer for him, even not as good in the 00's he still had that aura about him, that half season destroyed that, the man who's teams always challenge for titles is now fighting the drop and it happened at the club he made his name at, that made him even more paranoid and doubting himself.

At United at the start i felt ironically he reminded me a bit like Rafa at Liverpool, capable of the odd masterclass and cup runs but ultimately didn't have the consistency to challenge for titles, Conte outperforming him at his ex club hurt him badly, you could tell by his tone everytime he spoke about us. I think since it went wrong with United he's suffered even more psychological body blows with the knowledge he's blown it at the world's two biggest clubs and a club he spent the best part of a decade describing as his club, and then with the Chelsea job vacant and him available we choose Lampard, that must have ruined him probably even more so than Conte's title win here.

At Spurs i cannot identify a single characteristic that made him great. His big game record is hopeless, he isn't training the defense well, he isn't making his home ground a fortress (he was still doing that as recently as United), he doesn't appear to have a clue how to turn the tide of a game, he doesn't prepare his teams properly all the things you could have banked on as a minimum at Chelsea 1.0 and Inter.

I do feel sad how much he's fallen when i truly think about it, if someone told me in 2005 that 14 years later i'd vow to cancel my club membership if he returned i would have laughed at them. I think he doesn't enjoy football anymore which may have stemmed from losing his dominant aura, when he's on a break from the pressure's he does seem quite a happy person so maybe for the sake of his mental health he should consider if it's really worth it anymore because a job he use to love is making him miserable and he's putting more and more dents in his legacy the longer he keeps trying (exactly like Wenger apart from he's doing it with multiple clubs instead of just the one).
 
Last edited:

Dancfc

Full Member
Joined
Oct 28, 2016
Messages
7,392
Supports
Chelsea
Yeah Kane looked like he had aged 10 years during lockdown :lol: He was done.

Looked slower than Maguire and more breathless than Anderson.
And if this pandemic never happened Southgate would have rushed him back and he'd be putting those 'performances' together in the Euro's right now. I shudder thinking about it.
 

Djemba-Djemba

Full Member
Joined
Dec 19, 2007
Messages
21,157
Location
Manchester
He's been slowly losing it since Real. At Madrid he had his first experience at serious adversity. A number of things have slowly contributed in creating a put bluntly bang average manager in the present day.

He never before Real had a squad and fanbase with the vast majority not fully behind him, he never before had a manager have such the beating of him as Pep did. Although he created a team that toppled that Barca side to a title which was a great achievement he never went all in on trusting a squad and fanbase again.

He returned to us and while his tactical astuteness was still evident (especially in big games) something was missing from before, the title was great but i feel he went all in on achieving it with no thought for the bigger picture, and it showed. I think 15/16 was a killer for him, even not as good in the 00's he still had that aura about him, that half season destroyed that, the man who's teams always challenge for titles is now fighting the drop and it happened at the club he made his name at, that made him even more paranoid and doubting himself.

At United at the start i felt ironically he reminded me a bit like Rafa at Liverpool, capable of the odd masterclass and cup runs but ultimately didn't have the consistency to challenge for titles, Conte outperforming him at his ex club hurt him badly, you could tell by his tone everytime he spoke about us. I think since it went wrong with United he's suffered even more psychological body blows with the knowledge he's blown it at the world's two biggest clubs and a club he spent the best part of a decade describing as his club, and then with the Chelsea job vacant and him available we choose Lampard, that must have ruined him probably even more so than Conte's title win here.

At Spurs i cannot identify a single characteristic that made him great. His big game record is hopeless, he isn't training the defense well, he isn't making his home ground a fortress (he was still doing that as recently as United), he doesn't appear to have a clue how to turn the tide of a game, he doesn't prepare his teams properly all the things you could have banked on as a minimum at Chelsea 1.0 and Inter.

I do feel sad how much he's fallen when i truly think about it, if someone told me in 2005 that 14 years later i'd wow to cancel my club membership if he returned i would have laughed at them. I think he doesn't enjoy football anymore which may have stemmed from losing his dominant aura, when he's on a break from the pressure's he does seem quite a happy person so maybe for the sake of his mental health he should consider if it's really worth it anymore because a job he use to love is making him miserable and he's putting more and more dents in his legacy the longer he keeps trying (exactly like Wenger apart from he's doing it with multiple clubs instead of just the one).
Aye, great post.
 

Eddy_JukeZ

Full Member
Joined
Aug 21, 2012
Messages
16,977
He's been slowly losing it since Real. At Madrid he had his first experience at serious adversity. A number of things have slowly contributed in creating a put bluntly bang average manager in the present day.

He never before Real had a squad and fanbase with the vast majority not fully behind him, he never before had a manager have such the beating of him as Pep did. Although he created a team that toppled that Barca side to a title which was a great achievement he never went all in on trusting a squad and fanbase again.

He returned to us and while his tactical astuteness was still evident (especially in big games) something was missing from before, the title was great but i feel he went all in on achieving it with no thought for the bigger picture, and it showed. I think 15/16 was a killer for him, even not as good in the 00's he still had that aura about him, that half season destroyed that, the man who's teams always challenge for titles is now fighting the drop and it happened at the club he made his name at, that made him even more paranoid and doubting himself.

At United at the start i felt ironically he reminded me a bit like Rafa at Liverpool, capable of the odd masterclass and cup runs but ultimately didn't have the consistency to challenge for titles, Conte outperforming him at his ex club hurt him badly, you could tell by his tone everytime he spoke about us. I think since it went wrong with United he's suffered even more psychological body blows with the knowledge he's blown it at the world's two biggest clubs and a club he spent the best part of a decade describing as his club, and then with the Chelsea job vacant and him available we choose Lampard, that must have ruined him probably even more so than Conte's title win here.

At Spurs i cannot identify a single characteristic that made him great. His big game record is hopeless, he isn't training the defense well, he isn't making his home ground a fortress (he was still doing that as recently as United), he doesn't appear to have a clue how to turn the tide of a game, he doesn't prepare his teams properly all the things you could have banked on as a minimum at Chelsea 1.0 and Inter.

I do feel sad how much he's fallen when i truly think about it, if someone told me in 2005 that 14 years later i'd vow to cancel my club membership if he returned i would have laughed at them. I think he doesn't enjoy football anymore which may have stemmed from losing his dominant aura, when he's on a break from the pressure's he does seem quite a happy person so maybe for the sake of his mental health he should consider if it's really worth it anymore because a job he use to love is making him miserable and he's putting more and more dents in his legacy the longer he keeps trying (exactly like Wenger apart from he's doing it with multiple clubs instead of just the one).
Really good post.

Real Madrid broke him.

I said it a while ago and I'll say it again: Jose Mourinho is never winning a league title again in one of the top 5 leagues.
 

Dancfc

Full Member
Joined
Oct 28, 2016
Messages
7,392
Supports
Chelsea
Really good post.

Real Madrid broke him.

I said it a while ago and I'll say it again: Jose Mourinho is never winning a league title again in one of the top 5 leagues.
I'll go a step further, i don't think he's going to win anything of any note ever again (unless he somehow ends up at Bayern, Juve or PSG after Spurs).
 

Mindhunter

Full Member
Joined
Jul 26, 2013
Messages
3,629
Really good post.

Real Madrid broke him.

I said it a while ago and I'll say it again: Jose Mourinho is never winning a league title again in one of the top 5 leagues.
I will say that he will never get back to the top echelons of the sport where he thinks he belongs.

The trouble with him is that he has evolved into a flat-track bully who gives up the ground and fights a guerrilla war as soon as he sees the opponent's weapons. The game has gone away from him, both on the technical side as well as the man management aspect of it. Earlier, players were willing to put their lives on the line for him but he is never getting that level of trust and adulation from another group ever again. His veneer of infallibility has stripped away and players now balk at his methods and limited vision.

Today's footballers are far more self-confident and want to be part of a set up that plays attractive football and challenges them to develop technically. They don't want to be a prop in his rigid system and end up being obsolete in a few years. Given the competitive nature of football, no one wants to be held back and curtailed. To exacerbate the problem, he has developed a habit of throwing players under the bus under the slightest provocation. When the manager prioritizes his own image above the morale of players, he has effectively lost the trust of the team and no one will give 110% for him.

His system is still capable of winning an odd league title but he will never be consistently successful again. It is highly unlikely though as no club with the resources to win a league will touch him with a barge pole.
 

Scroto Baggins

Full Member
Joined
Jul 20, 2017
Messages
2,339
Supports
Newcastle Jets
His anti football is dire to watch, persistent long balls to Kane that Maguire was mostly winning in our recent match against Spurs. Kane got a few flick ons here and there but no runners around him. I certainly do not see Kane staying for that kind of football, did he receive the ball in and around the box once the whole game? The only time I seen Kane pick up the ball was when he had pulled back into midfield.

I will make a caveat here that I feel his style can still win Spurs an FA cup or League cup or something. Looks like they may be in the Europa League next season so there is that as well. But it will be death by boredom for the fans watching. Jose came out in the press and was saying the only reason he is playing that way was because of the large amount of injuries Spurs had. Well all those injured players are back now and it is still the same as far as I can tell.

Mourinho even hired new backroom assistant managers, I thought to bring a more modern and dynamic tweak to his style of play, evidently not. I think one more season at Spurs and he is done unless he brings in a trophy, fans will not tolerate that kind of negative football at home if you are not winning anything.
 

RUCK4444

New Member
Joined
Feb 3, 2015
Messages
9,553
Location
$¥$¥$¥$¥$
I'll go a step further, i don't think he's going to win anything of any note ever again (unless he somehow ends up at Bayern, Juve or PSG after Spurs).
I think he will get one of those gigs at another ‘big’ European like PSG. His name still holds a little weight but it would be an appointment out of desperation for one of those clubs.

His approach to gain and defend a 1-0 lead, and his dismay and inability to change things when he loses that lead, are so evident in the game with us the other night.

Its mental that somebody of his standing in the game is stuck with that one singular approach.
 

United58

Full Member
Joined
Jan 14, 2019
Messages
2,190
Location
Ireland
He's been slowly losing it since Real. At Madrid he had his first experience at serious adversity. A number of things have slowly contributed in creating a put bluntly bang average manager in the present day.

He never before Real had a squad and fanbase with the vast majority not fully behind him, he never before had a manager have such the beating of him as Pep did. Although he created a team that toppled that Barca side to a title which was a great achievement he never went all in on trusting a squad and fanbase again.

He returned to us and while his tactical astuteness was still evident (especially in big games) something was missing from before, the title was great but i feel he went all in on achieving it with no thought for the bigger picture, and it showed. I think 15/16 was a killer for him, even not as good in the 00's he still had that aura about him, that half season destroyed that, the man who's teams always challenge for titles is now fighting the drop and it happened at the club he made his name at, that made him even more paranoid and doubting himself.

At United at the start i felt ironically he reminded me a bit like Rafa at Liverpool, capable of the odd masterclass and cup runs but ultimately didn't have the consistency to challenge for titles, Conte outperforming him at his ex club hurt him badly, you could tell by his tone everytime he spoke about us. I think since it went wrong with United he's suffered even more psychological body blows with the knowledge he's blown it at the world's two biggest clubs and a club he spent the best part of a decade describing as his club, and then with the Chelsea job vacant and him available we choose Lampard, that must have ruined him probably even more so than Conte's title win here.

At Spurs i cannot identify a single characteristic that made him great. His big game record is hopeless, he isn't training the defense well, he isn't making his home ground a fortress (he was still doing that as recently as United), he doesn't appear to have a clue how to turn the tide of a game, he doesn't prepare his teams properly all the things you could have banked on as a minimum at Chelsea 1.0 and Inter.

I do feel sad how much he's fallen when i truly think about it, if someone told me in 2005 that 14 years later i'd vow to cancel my club membership if he returned i would have laughed at them. I think he doesn't enjoy football anymore which may have stemmed from losing his dominant aura, when he's on a break from the pressure's he does seem quite a happy person so maybe for the sake of his mental health he should consider if it's really worth it anymore because a job he use to love is making him miserable and he's putting more and more dents in his legacy the longer he keeps trying (exactly like Wenger apart from he's doing it with multiple clubs instead of just the one).
Great post. I'd love to see him move permanently into punditry, as you said he's so much more laid back when he's not directly involved and has great insights
 

UNITED ACADEMY

New Member
Joined
Aug 14, 2018
Messages
13,127
Supports
Erik ten Hag

Why would you say that a player playing under you wasn't your first choice ffs!
Works for both the player & the fans imo. If you only said that sentence alone, it's understandable to questioning it. However, you have to look at all the context he said, he gave compliment to the player and that's what the player wants to hear.

And now the fans should realise that Levy isn't going to let Jose get whatever he wants in transfer. Something the fans would like to know whether the board will back Jose in transfer market.
 

JPRouve

can't stop thinking about balls - NOT deflategate
Scout
Joined
Jan 31, 2014
Messages
65,352
Location
France
Fair. I'm not sure why he's being so honest with the press either.
He isn't being honest, he is placing the bodies for the moment he will feel the need to throw them under the bus.
 

Baxter

Full Member
Joined
Oct 16, 2010
Messages
11,737


Info @telefoot_TF1 The cloth burns between José Mourinho and Tanguy Ndombélé. During a meeting this week, the community informed his coach that he no longer wishes to evolve under his orders.

Several Tottenham players try to mediate and insist on the good performance of French in training, but the communication between Ndombélé and Mourinho is broken. @telefoot_TF1
 

unplayable

Correctly predicted Italy to win Euro 2020
Joined
Feb 13, 2012
Messages
4,243
Location
Germany
Mourinho not getting along with their most talented midfielder. Why does that seem so familiar?
 

JPRouve

can't stop thinking about balls - NOT deflategate
Scout
Joined
Jan 31, 2014
Messages
65,352
Location
France
And Ndombélé is stubborn, if true he most likely won't change his mind.
 

awop

Odds winner of 'Odds or Evens 2022/2023'
Newbie
Joined
Sep 28, 2010
Messages
4,086
Location
Paris
Supports
Arsenal
If they sell, they're going to take a big hit at a time they can't afford to lose more money. He's done nothing to get himself a new club by playing or his behavior.
50M on the bench for a year ?
 

Majima

Full Member
Joined
Jan 10, 2016
Messages
4,038
Location
Kami's Lookout
Supports
Ralf Rangnick.
Funny how hanging his top player out to dry in public makes that player not trust him again. Excellent management skills by Mourinho. I wonder if we're going to hear Ndombélé being a virus now?
 
Last edited:

JPRouve

can't stop thinking about balls - NOT deflategate
Scout
Joined
Jan 31, 2014
Messages
65,352
Location
France
Funny how hanging his top player out to dry in public makes that player not trust him again. Excellent management skills by Mourinho. I wonder if we're going to hear Ndombélé being a virus now?
While Mourinho is an ass, Ndombélé has bad temper, he showcased it at Lyon. If he was smart he would make a step in Mourinho's direction and try to build a solid season with Tottenham, there is a chance that Mourinho doesn't last that long and if he does Ndombélé will be in a stronger position with good teams after him. At the moment, he has mainly been injured, coming back from injuries and average.
 

Majima

Full Member
Joined
Jan 10, 2016
Messages
4,038
Location
Kami's Lookout
Supports
Ralf Rangnick.
While Mourinho is an ass, Ndombélé has bad temper, he showcased it at Lyon. If he was smart he would make a step in Mourinho's direction and try to build a solid season with Tottenham, there is a chance that Mourinho doesn't last that long and if he does Ndombélé will be in a stronger position with good teams after him. At the moment, he has mainly been injured, coming back from injuries and average.
Yeah i agree that would probably be the wisest decision. If he leaves now, with corona, where would he go? Back to Lyon? It's not like top teams would be lining up after his difficult time at Spurs so far. Mourinho won't last long at Spurs, as we can see he's not building anything there, he should tough it out and outlast him. He should take notice from Martial. He was marginalised by Mourinho straight away, and now he's got the 9 shirt. He should see that and have the last laugh.
 

Greck

Full Member
Joined
Dec 1, 2016
Messages
7,099


Info @telefoot_TF1 The cloth burns between José Mourinho and Tanguy Ndombélé. During a meeting this week, the community informed his coach that he no longer wishes to evolve under his orders.

Several Tottenham players try to mediate and insist on the good performance of French in training, but the communication between Ndombélé and Mourinho is broken. @telefoot_TF1
They convinced themselves we were the circus that brought Jose down. Get ready to never know peace while he's manager. There's always one fire or another to be put out. The mess of a dressing room having to mediate between a manager and another player. Shouldn't it be the other way round?
 

Rolaholic

Full Member
Joined
Aug 1, 2016
Messages
11,146
Mourinho not getting along with their most talented midfielder. Why does that seem so familiar?
Just another example of his legendary man-management skills, takes quite a bit of skill to become renowned for alienating and marginalizing your best players
 

André Dominguez

Full Member
Joined
Aug 7, 2017
Messages
6,325
Location
Lisbon
Supports
Benfica, Académica
Can't see what will Ndombelé win in this feud. In fact he has more to loose than the other way arround.
 

DoomSlayer

New Member
Joined
Jun 20, 2019
Messages
4,875
Location
Bulgaria
A full-blown Mourinho meltdown at the end of the season will put a plaster on my broken soul, considering the inevitable is going to happen very soon. :drool: :(
 

V.O.

Last Man Standing finalist 2019/20
Joined
Jan 12, 2019
Messages
7,846
I sincerely hope Jose is a success at Spurs so i can rub it all in your faces.
Well, success for Spurs is finishing above Arsenal. He might be able to manage that. ;)
 

Bastian

Full Member
Joined
Jul 16, 2015
Messages
18,444
Supports
Mejbri
I sincerely hope Jose is a success at Spurs so i can rub it all in your faces.
He'll have that effect when he's your manager. You against the world. And I agree, the bitterness here is enormous. Personally, I'd quite like to see him do well (not at our cost) with Spurs.

Regarding that Ndombele situation, what does it entail? I mean, he can be unhappy with his manager but still train and, where selected, play. He was on the bench tonight - it's not like he's refusing to play. He's just got to take it on the chin, prove his professionalism and application as there is no way Levy is taking a financial hit on their record signing 12 months in.