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Need - Only RW. Then I think we could win the league.
Quite Important - CB & CDM
Oh and make Henderson our GK.
Quite Important - CB & CDM
Oh and make Henderson our GK.
Yes, have you seen the firepower that is in that line up.Pogba, Bruno, Sancho, Martial and Rashford.So you think that the fullbacks are good enough going forward?
I like him as a player and he is tailor-made to play in the PL, but I still think he'd be better-suited as an 8 than as a 6. He's always struck me as an active midfielder who has a great physical presence and can press and defend very effectively, qualities more appropriate for a CM. But if you're playing at the base of midfield, I think you have to have less of an all-action approach and more of a passive approach based on good positioning. For example, Carrick wasn't a good defender in the active sense but he had great positioning and awareness, and was played at 6 for that reason. Saul may have these qualities but he has never really shown them (Mainly because Atletico haven't asked him to do so); therefore, it seems a bit risky to me to sign him and play him as a 6 when you know for sure that he is a good 8 (And then signing him as an 8 only really makes sense if Pogba leaves).Saul I’ve wanted since Fergie/Moyes time and still think he’d be the perfect signing for our midfield. Not a DM as such but more than capable of it. It’s not like I have anything against Fred and McT but to me Saul goes in that 3 and it’s an instant improvement.
But the problem will be to get the ball to those players... The number of times we fail to progress the ball forward, to players in good positions, simply due to our fullbacks being less than impressive on the ball is actually impressive. If we had a passing pattern, movement etc that ensured we would get the ball into the final third without taking chances or hoofing it, then we could, in theory, be successful with two defensive-oriented fullbacks... We don't.Yes, have you seen the firepower that is in that line up.Pogba, Bruno, Sancho, Martial and Rashford.
You can’t have Fullbacks like wingers in every team.
In my opinion people talk a lot of trash about our fullbacks when they aren’t even that bad. Sure they can be more decisive when they are in the final 3rd and improve on crossing or the intensity in which they attack. But both are far better defenders than Robertson, TAA, Telles, Grimaldo Gaye, Chillwell And the likes.
I also see Ole preferring to have one or both tucked inside instead of providing width especially if Pogba and Bruno are playing together given both tend to like to drift to the wings And work from there.
I’d say that has been more of an issue with people like Matic, Fred, Lingard, Mata McTominay Perreria James and the likes and nothing to do with the fullbacks.But the problem will be to get the ball to those players... The number of times we fail to progress the ball forward, to players in good positions, simply due to our fullbacks being less than impressive on the ball is actually impressive. If we had a passing pattern, movement etc that ensured we would get the ball into the final third without taking chances or hoofing it, then we could, in theory, be successful with two defensive-oriented fullbacks... We don't.
How many times in the build up play do the fullbacks get the ball and it all stops? Either playing a bad pass on a player under pressure, running with it forward and into a trap where the ball is lost or goes over the sideline, using to much time on the ball and forced to pass it back... There is simply no mutual understanding between the fullbacks and the rest of the team on how to progress the ball forward.I’d say that has been more of an issue with people like Matic, Fred, Lingard, Mata McTominay Perreria James and the likes and nothing to do with the fullbacks.
I don’t necessarily disagree at times as a team we seem really slow to take advantage of the openings and people seem to be just sitting about waiting for someone else to do something. Lingard being the biggest culprit.
I don’t really see that being an issue that is caused by the fullbacks in anyway given Shaw is probably one of the best players on the ball in the team. I just think he needs to find a more balanced intensity when he goes forward. At times he does seem hesitant to attack and then others he makes lots of runs that are never found.
Bissaka’s main issue for me is that James isn’t very good and the two of them together just don’t seem to have a clue or mesh well. Think Bissaka has done better when it’s been Mata out there who encourages and invites him to go forward with decent passing.
I think someone like Sancho who tends to play inside of the right will open that space and given he has an eye for a pass I could see Bissaka improving vastly if he does a few simple things. First off improve the quality of his crossing and take more first time crosses on. Realise he’s already beaten the man so he can just go and put a cross in.
Depends how Ole wants us to play going forward of course but I just don’t see how he can continue to allow Rashford not to track back put Pogba and Bruno in the line up and not have one of Shaw or Bissaka tuck in to help protect midfield. Shaw and Bissaka will just have to get better at picking the moments they can go which will hopefully happen as this team continues to grow.
I could be wrong but I think Ethan Laird permitting he can stay injury free will relegate AWB to the bench.So you think that the fullbacks are good enough going forward?
Zero chance we are going to buy another RB soon, so best we can hope for is Laird.I could be wrong but I think Ethan Laird permitting he can stay injury free will relegate AWB to the bench.
And if I'm correct it will be a huge benefit to us in the long-term.
I just don’t agree with any of that, I’m sorry. This isn’t the thread for this type of discussion anyway.How many times in the build up play do the fullbacks get the ball and it all stops? Either playing a bad pass on a player under pressure, running with it forward and into a trap where the ball is lost or goes over the sideline, using to much time on the ball and forced to pass it back... There is simply no mutual understanding between the fullbacks and the rest of the team on how to progress the ball forward.
While the fullbacks are not the only ones at fault for our less than impressive buildup play, they are doing the same mistakes.
Shaw running into opposition and losing the ball. AWB attempting to control the ball or inaccurately passing the ball and stopping the momentum of the buildup... And neither of them can cross or make any intelligent movement in the final third...
Laird potentially gives us tactical flexibility like the wing back option and has superb technical ability on the ball. I can see Laird and Sancho developing a great understanding, and the combination play between them both has huge potential.Zero chance we are going to buy another RB soon, so best we can hope for is Laird.
Same as you, the only issue I have with him is the injuries. 12 months ago I had him in the same bracket as Greenwood.
Fair enough. It would be more thread accurate to say that IMO we need new fullbacks with better attacking capabilities.I just don’t agree with any of that, I’m sorry. This isn’t the thread for this type of discussion anyway.
If he can stay healthy. And in a team playing more possession-oriented.Laird potentially gives us tactical flexibility like the wing back option and has superb technical ability on the ball. I can see Laird and Sancho developing a great understanding, and the combination play between them both has huge potential.
Even a counter attacking approach suits a fullback like Laird tbf.If he can stay healthy. And in a team playing more possession-oriented.
Yeah realised i'd forgotten Lingard.Well the current climate is the main sticking point, but with some of the youth talents we have not far away if there were intersted parties in all honesty there are reasons to consider selling many of them, wuthout saying why....
DeGea, Grant, Dalot, Lindelof, Smalling, jones, Perreira, Pogba, James, Sanchez AND Lingard, Fosuh-Mensah...sadly I would be happy to see the majority of them leave as well
I totally agree with what you are saying but dont get your point? Yes I am talking completely about ability from what I have seen, but also absolutely what I see on the pitch. Bailly was good in his first season, though made som eerrors and has been injured most of the time since and was terrible when he came back for a few games. Tuanzabe has barely featured but does look talented.You say Tuanzebe has injury problems and has not proven himself so how is he better than Lindelof? Same thing goes for Baily who has been injured alot, hardly playing and has been inconsistent. I think you are judging based on ability rather than what you see on the pitch. Lindelof is our second most reliable after Maguire and was our best defender for much of last season but he still needs to be upgraded. If Baily and Tuanzebe were playing in other teams, going through the same injury problems and inconsistencies would you take them as big upgrades on Lindelof?
Yes that has been a problem hasnt it. Players on big contracts as at one of the biggest clubs in the world and either ability/performance wise simply dont warrant themYeah realised i'd forgotten Lingard.
problem is most of them won't go as they will never get the same level of money again.
Lindelof needs to be upgraded on but Baily and Tuanzebe has to put in consistent performances on the pitch and stay fit before I say they are big improvements on LindelofI totally agree with what you are saying but dont get your point? Yes I am talking completely about ability from what I have seen, but also absolutely what I see on the pitch. Bailly was good in his first season, though made som eerrors and has been injured most of the time since and was terrible when he came back for a few games. Tuanzabe has barely featured but does look talented.
Lindelof has been our second most reliable defender after Maguire......reliable in that he has stayed fit and his only competition has been Phil Jones? That was the whole point I am making. I think Tuanzabe/Bailly are better options but if they cant stay fit then we need to buy another centr back, for the simple reason Lindelof is the only centre back that hsa always been available pretty much to partner Maguire and he is simply not good enough.
Erm that is exactly what I am saying as well and because they arent getting on the pitch enough due to injuries, that is why we should be looking at signing a quality defender that will.Lindelof needs to be upgraded on but Baily and Tuanzebe has to put in consistent performances on the pitch and stay fit before I say they are big improvements on Lindelof
We could have had pep and Klopp as coach and assistant and they wouldn't have been able to do anything with this team when your team consists of Pierera and Lingard. Since Bruno arrived we are undefeated and playing some good football. And now with Pogba back it can only get better. Give the man a chance...Forget players. Best signing we could make this summer is an attacking coach. We will continue to go nowhere until we are able to control possession and build up properly against the majority of teams who come and sit deep vs us.
When i say coach, i mean an assistant to come and help Ole, not replace him. Like how SAF needed Queiroz to evolve from British 442 to modern fluid 433 in Europe. That would never have happened by itself if he never brought anyone in. That's my point.We could have had pep and Klopp as coach and assistant and they wouldn't have been able to do anything with this team when your team consists of Pierera and Lingard. Since Bruno arrived we are undefeated and playing some good football. And now with Pogba back it can only get better. Give the man a chance...
Yeah there is no doubt he could really do with an experienced european coach alongside him.When i say coach, i mean an assistant to come and help Ole, not replace him. Like how SAF needed Queiroz to evolve from British 442 to modern fluid 433 in Europe. That would never have happened by itself if he never brought anyone in. That's my point.
Yep. Alot of people slag of the glazers for not spending enough. Personly I think what they have spent is more than enough considering our wage bill and transfer spend. The problem is it has been spent badly. We have so many bad contracts. The Sanchez one has been the highlight, but the De Gea one isn't much better, and we have at least 5 or 6 other players who are just on wages that mean if they left even on a free we would have to likely supplement their wages. Of course, we aren't fighting for the league with that kind of squad.Yes that has been a problem hasnt it. Players on big contracts as at one of the biggest clubs in the world and either ability/performance wise simply dont warrant them
That's just fantasy football. I mean Rojo alone we are struggling to even give away. Sachez if he left we would have to fund over half his wages. De Gea's contract means he is on the unsellable list. Jones likely won't agree to leave as he wouldn't get the same wages elsewhere.Rb first choice Max Aaron’s £25 mil or Willams free at RB
Cb first choice Upamecano £35 mil second choice Kumbulla £25 mil
RW first choice Sancho £90 mil second choice Ferran Torres £40mil
DM first choice Cavminga - second choice
Ndidi both around £50-60 mil
CM first choice szoboszlai second Bellingham both around £25 mil Buy both!!
£165 mil to £260 is the required budget.
lingard £15
Pereira £10
Smalling £15
Jones £10
Rojo £10
Sanchez £0 but his wages would be big plus
De Gea £30
Fred £40
Dalot £20
Mata £5
Matic £5
Outgoings £160 mil
Maximum net spend of £100 million plus 6 incoming and 11 outgoings meaning will save loads wage which in theory should offset the money spent. Transforms our team to be ready to compete for the league we literally 2 very good players in every position. Young team that will be hungry for success and will have a bright future.
I think the biggest problem is we currently have 7 centre backs on our books for next season, talking about upgrading any of them is pointless until we find buyers for 3 of them at least.Lindelof needs to be upgraded on but Baily and Tuanzebe has to put in consistent performances on the pitch and stay fit before I say they are big improvements on Lindelof
I mean this is a thread talking about what we needI think the biggest problem is we currently have 7 centre backs on our books for next season, talking about upgrading any of them is pointless until we find buyers for 3 of them at least.
Who would be your players for each of those positions realisticallyStriker, Right winger, defensive midfielder, left back.
And the team will be full ready to challenge for PL imo.
Next transfer window will be crucial.