Dean Henderson has to be our #1 next season? Poll added

Who should be our first choice GK next season?


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Stats playing for Sheffield United don't translate into him being a success at Manchester Unitef.

Ben Foster had really successful loans and Fergie said he'd be United and England no. 1 - look how that turned out!


As for listing people like Neuer and Alisson - don't be silly. I clear was saying is Henderson the best we could get, there's a world of other keepers out there beside the obviously unavailable ones you disingenuous named.
Again and again, there's only one way to prove whether Henderson can do it - let him play as a United's no. 1. If you think his stats at Sheffield are irrelevant, extending his loan is meaningless. He'd keep putting in great numbers or probably win a PL with them, and you could still argue that wouldn't translate into a success at United.

I don't understand why Foster is kept being mentioned. He had never enjoyed success and proven himself as much as Henderson in his loan spell. We also had a reliable van der Sar back then. The situation is barely comparable.
 

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Whats the point of him sitting on the bench? Sheffield could be in Europe next season, let him get a taste of that - he deserves it and seems settled there, and the manager seems a great guy.

Henderson is still very young for a goalkeeper lets not forget. He does and will make more mistakes, 2 of the goals against Newcastle he could of done better with but that's all part of learning.

People wishing away DDG for him already are going to be in for a bit of a shock if that happened :D
I want to have my cake and eat it.
So best option for us is to get Hendo in the team alongside De Gea and let them fight it out for the number one spot. We need to let Romero go, he is too good a keeper to be sitting on his arse at Utd. He can go to Sheffield and be their number 1.
 

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Romero has been as outstanding a number 2 as you could ever hope for. To say he "needs to go" is pretty insulting given the job he has done for us without fuss.
I'm not insulting the man, calm the feck down.
I think Romero is doing himself a disservice by being UTD's number 2. He is a full international, and as you say, a pretty decent keeper. If he had any sort of ambition he would be looking to be the number 1 at any other club.
Bringing Hendo on as number 2 solves problems. First one is running the risk of losing him and regretting it. 2nd is we should not be looking at getting rid of De Gea considering that this slump of his might only be temporary, and if it isn't, then we have Hendo to step in.
Romero is collateral damage. I am being selfish here, so be it.
 

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Serious overrating of Henderson going on in this thread good young keeper with potential, but he has similar weaknesses to De Gea reluctancy to come off the line and uncertainty around how he would fare with less protection and team playing with high line defense.
By all means it may be time to Ditch De Gea but is Henderson the answer I am not that confident.
 

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Number 1 next season
Yes, maybe, if you are Chelsea.

In the case of ManUnited you have to look back, the last time We replaced the main goal keeper. Despite of how talented the replacement was, He struggled massively. The pressure was just too much. And He costed us games. But due to how good the team and the manager was, We didn't worry that much about it. But now? forget about it. 2nd GK seems like a good option. But 1st GK is going to backfire and put us in a much worse position if Henderson can't take the pressure. Do you want the team to be finally good up front (let's say We sign Sancho) but then it's all ruined because of a new, young Keeper? It won't only destroy the team's progress but also Henderson.

I'd say, the only logical move is to make Henderson the 2nd GK and play him sparingly. If We want to replace De Gea We have to do it slowly.
 
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Number 1 next season
Yes, maybe, if you are Chelsea.

In the case of ManUnited you have to look back, the last time We replaced the main goal keeper. Despite of how talented the replacement was, He struggled massively. The pressure was just too much. And He costed us games. But due to how good the team and the manager was, We didn't worry that much about it. But now? forget about it. 2nd GK seems like a good option. But 1st GK is going to backfire and put us in a much worse position if Henderson can't take the pressure. Do you want the team to be finally good up front (let's say We sign Sancho) but then it's all ruined because of a new, young Keeper? It won't only destroy the team's progress but also Henderson.

I'd say, the only logical move is to make Henderson the 2nd GK and play him sparingly. If We want to replace De Gea We have to do it slowly.
I'd rather have the success ruined by a new young keeper than one who has already made repeated mistakes and costed plenty of points over the past two years.
 

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Agreed.

I never truly forgave DDG after the pathetic fax machine shenanigans. It was a low point. Add to that a messy personal/sentimental life, a love-hate relationship with the city-club (love meaning big money that he won't get anywhere unless he moves to PSG) and multiple mistakes since 2018, and yes, it's time for Henderson to step in.
 

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I'd rather have the success ruined by a new young keeper than one who has already made repeated mistakes and costed plenty of points over the past two years.
Then you choose to gamble something where the risk is bigger than the reward. Just like what We did when We signed Jose.

Because if Henderson cannot cope with the pressure, it's both his ManUtd career and ManUtd's progress ruined. I'm not against him being our future keeper but He needs to be introduced slowly. Not just being thrown out there replacing one of the biggest names in the world of football, De Gea. It's not so much about ability but the sheer amount of people waiting to jump on you the moment you make mistakes.

Having both Henderson (2nd choice, at first) and De Gea in one season would mean that if De Gea keeps performing badly then We can just play Henderson and see from there. If He actually performs good and seems to thrive then We can plan on it the next season, while also slowly demoting De Gea from the first team keeper. But relying only on him will be unfair (assuming We sold De Gea). Unless if you want to rely on Romero and Mr. Whatshisnamethatneverplays, if things go tits up, as backups. Which I'm sure people will be complaining about as well because They're both older than De Gea.
 
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Again and again, there's only one way to prove whether Henderson can do it - let him play as a United's no. 1. If you think his stats at Sheffield are irrelevant, extending his loan is meaningless. He'd keep putting in great numbers or probably win a PL with them, and you could still argue that wouldn't translate into a success at United.

I don't understand why Foster is kept being mentioned. He had never enjoyed success and proven himself as much as Henderson in his loan spell. We also had a reliable van der Sar back then. The situation is barely comparable.
Foster had two full seasons on loan at Watford and was fantastic. He had the talent. Pundits and fans praising him. Fergie saying he'll be United and England no.1

If you can't see the parallels between Hendersons situation and where Foster was then you're blind.
 

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Foster had two full seasons on loan at Watford and was fantastic. He had the talent. Pundits and fans praising him. Fergie saying he'll be United and England no.1

If you can't see the parallels between Hendersons situation and where Foster was then you're blind.
As much as pundits/fans/Fergie praised Foster, he conceded 59 goals and finished bottom in the Premier League. Henderson, however, has kept more clean sheets than us and conceded fewer than us this season. We also had a reliable van der Sar back then so that we didn't need a replacement, but de Gea has been shaky in recent years to say the least. If you see Henderson's situation parallel to the Foster's then you're blind and massively underrating Henderson's performance this season.
 

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Ole's faith for De Gea is strange. I don't think it's out of the question that Henderson could end up at Chelsea, I think it's even more likely than De Gea being dropped presently. Solskjaer is certainly mismanaging this situation because it cost us last year and he seems to be reiterating the same process again. 50M is also a good fee for a player we are promising the world yet have no substance behind what's being communicated.
 

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I'm not insulting the man, calm the feck down.
I think Romero is doing himself a disservice by being UTD's number 2. He is a full international, and as you say, a pretty decent keeper. If he had any sort of ambition he would be looking to be the number 1 at any other club.
Bringing Hendo on as number 2 solves problems. First one is running the risk of losing him and regretting it. 2nd is we should not be looking at getting rid of De Gea considering that this slump of his might only be temporary, and if it isn't, then we have Hendo to step in.
Romero is collateral damage. I am being selfish here, so be it.
I don't think I was particularly emotive in my statement. With respect to De Gea, it is hopefully a temporary slump, but in that case he needs to figure out what has caused it, because soon it will be referred to as a decline and he will be relegated to the bench. I'd hate to see that as he has been our best player for quite some time. Frankly I think Romero has done more than enough to temporarily take over duties from De Gea, which may be the kick Dave needs. In a year to 18 months Henderson could come in and in the meantime Romero gets to put himself in the shop window, which honestly he deserves. De Gea is likely not going anywhere and we should be open to the possibility of another Rooney situation, under-performing player on the biggest wage.
 

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I haven't seen much of Henderson to be honest. Do posters believe he is better than Romero? Better than DDG? I have been very critical of DDG but it must be remembered all keepers make mistakes and go through poor spells.
 
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Ole's faith for De Gea is strange. I don't think it's out of the question that Henderson could end up at Chelsea, I think it's even more likely than De Gea being dropped presently. Solskjaer is certainly mismanaging this situation because it cost us last year and he seems to be reiterating the same process again. 50M is also a good fee for a player we are promising the world yet have no substance behind what's being communicated.
You think Ole won't be addressing this with De Gea behind the scenes?

Thankfully the dark days of Mourinho publicly chucking players under the bus are gone.
 

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I can’t see Henderson going to Chelsea, we’ve got him tied down to a decent contract which we’re currently in the process of extending. Not to mention we don’t sell quality players to direct rivals. Anymore errors that cost us from De Gea in these remaining games then Henderson will have to be in serious contention for next season.
 

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Why can't we bring Henderson back to give DDG some proper competition.

Make it clear Henderson that we play all the cup games and will be starting league games if DDG starts making mistakes.
 
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As much as pundits/fans/Fergie praised Foster, he conceded 59 goals and finished bottom in the Premier League. Henderson, however, has kept more clean sheets than us and conceded fewer than us this season. We also had a reliable van der Sar back then so that we didn't need a replacement, but de Gea has been shaky in recent years to say the least. If you see Henderson's situation parallel to the Foster's then you're blind and massively underrating Henderson's performance this season.
Watford didn't finish bottom because of Foster. Just as Sheffield United's relative success isn't down to Henderson.

Van Der Sar was injured when Foster had his chance but couldn't cemented a place. Try and write history as much as you want but it doesn't change that Foster was touted even more widely than Henderson is now, and it didn't work.
 

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Watford didn't finish bottom because of Foster. Just as Sheffield United's relative success isn't down to Henderson.

Van Der Sar was injured when Foster had his chance but couldn't cemented a place. Try and write history as much as you want but it doesn't change that Foster was touted even more widely than Henderson is now, and it didn't work.
He was. Remember Sir Alex raving about him saying he’s a future England #1. Foster is a good goalkeeper, very good but you need to be one of the best in the world to play for Man Utd. It’s just what it is.
 

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He was. Remember Sir Alex raving about him saying he’s a future England #1. Foster is a good goalkeeper, very good but you need to be one of the best in the world to play for Man Utd. It’s just what it is.
His biggest problem was mental. Even admitted it himself.
 

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He was. Remember Sir Alex raving about him saying he’s a future England #1. Foster is a good goalkeeper, very good but you need to be one of the best in the world to play for Man Utd. It’s just what it is.
So how could Henderson prove himself to be one of the best in the world? Get himself a World Cup and a Champions League?
 

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Why can't we bring Henderson back to give DDG some proper competition.

Make it clear Henderson that we play all the cup games and will be starting league games if DDG starts making mistakes.
Romero hasn’t done anything wrong to lose his bench position. We need to take advantage of having possibly the best back up keeper in the league and allow Henderson full game time elsewhere for his development.
 

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Where did I say that?
I'm just asking how. Many suggest Henderson should be loaned to Sheffield for another season, but I still don't see how he could prove himself to be one of the best in a club like that. He also couldn't respond to questions such as pressure, playing in a low block etc. in this way. So what does he need to do exactly to convince you that he is good enough to be United's no. 1?
 

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Dave’s passing distribution was a touch better in that first half. Couple of nice first time crisp passes out.
 

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I'm just asking how. Many suggest Henderson should be loaned to Sheffield for another season, but I still don't see how he could prove himself to be one of the best in a club like that. He also couldn't respond to questions such as pressure, playing in a low block etc. in this way. So what does he need to do exactly to convince you that he is good enough to be United's no. 1?
Bring him back and let him compete with De Gea like Souness said before the game. I completely agree with that sentiment.
 

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Romero hasn’t done anything wrong to lose his bench position. We need to take advantage of having possibly the best back up keeper in the league and allow Henderson full game time elsewhere for his development.
Romero hasn't done anything wrong, but Henderson is younger and better than him.

Obviously it would be better if Henderson could get full game time. However, I think there's a real opportunity for Henderson to come back to United. Start all our cup games, which will hopefully include some big European nights and domestic cup ties. Coupled with stepping into the first team when DDG has another wobble, could leave us with a fully baked top quality young 'keeper for the next 10 years,

Worth the gamble.
 

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I'm just asking how. Many suggest Henderson should be loaned to Sheffield for another season, but I still don't see how he could prove himself to be one of the best in a club like that. He also couldn't respond to questions such as pressure, playing in a low block etc. in this way. So what does he need to do exactly to convince you that he is good enough to be United's no. 1?
We can see what he does playing for England?

I don’t think Henderson accepts a bench role playing in Europe and domestic cups when he has a good chance of being England number 1 for next years Euro’s.
 

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De Gea has regressed and there's no way he's moving anytime soon. I think he's nailed on as the starting GK for the next several years. I think this pretty much means Henderson doesn't have much of a future at United as he shouldn't except a #2 role when he can continue to develop as a #1 somewhere else.

I wouldn't mind seeing a GK competition next season, but I don't see how he can upset De Gea, even if he's not in the best form of his career.
 

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Would you rather the toxic Jose days of throwing players under the bus and obliterating the squads morale?

Defend the players publicly and address the problems 'in house'. That's what Fergie did and it's what any decent manage does.
think you'll find Fergie didn't always keep thing "in house". Becks spring to mind to mention only one. But what I am saying about Ole is he doesn't have to come and and praise DDG which is different from having a go in public... and neither are need when you just leave out a player who is clearly out of form as DDG is
 

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Romero has been as outstanding a number 2 as you could ever hope for. To say he "needs to go" is pretty insulting given the job he has done for us without fuss.
I would give this a thumbs-up.. but can't find the icon ha ha. Romero could walk into starting line up of many PL sides
 

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It's a completely different story though. Sanchez was clearly a liability to the team and it didn't take lots of balls to get rid of him. Everyone would have done the same if given the chance. Lukaku wanted to leave as early as March and he was dropped in the latter matches of last season. The sign was there. None of these is done for Greenwood, as his playing time is still limited despite his good performance this season.

It's convenient for Ole to drop Sanchez and Lukaku as they were signed by Mourinho. de Gea, however, was given the ridiculous contract under Ole's reign. It was Ole's decision to offer him a 375k-per-week contract despite his repeated errors. It'd take some doings for him to admit he's wrong. I hope he'd do it but I simply don't see it coming.
Keep hearing this rumour that Lukaku "wanted" to leave. Only after Ole made clear that Martial and Rashford woudl both start ahead of him, did he want to move. and has scored 25 goals for Inter
 

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Next year may be too soon for Henderson to be our #1. We’ll have to see how DDG closes out this season, but I think he’ll still be our best option next year, but perhaps on a shorter leash with Romero seeing more time if the errors persist.

if we can’t guarantee Henderson he’d be our #1, it would probably be best to loan him out again, rather than potentially sitting on the bench if de Gea finds his form. Perhaps we include an option for a January recall to protect ourselves. Bottom line is de Gea probably isn’t going anywhere anytime soon, so our best hope is supporting him and figuring out how to help him cut out the errors.
Slight problem is we might lose him to another top-four-chasing club... then what?
 

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Keep hearing this rumour that Lukaku "wanted" to leave. Only after Ole made clear that Martial and Rashford woudl both start ahead of him, did he want to move. and has scored 25 goals for Inter
So you agree he did want to leave?
He wasn't good enough to claim a spot so he left.

Scoring goals against fodder was never his problem.
 

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Number 1 next season
Yes, maybe, if you are Chelsea.

In the case of ManUnited you have to look back, the last time We replaced the main goal keeper. Despite of how talented the replacement was, He struggled massively. The pressure was just too much. And He costed us games. But due to how good the team and the manager was, We didn't worry that much about it. But now? forget about it. 2nd GK seems like a good option. But 1st GK is going to backfire and put us in a much worse position if Henderson can't take the pressure. Do you want the team to be finally good up front (let's say We sign Sancho) but then it's all ruined because of a new, young Keeper? It won't only destroy the team's progress but also Henderson.

I'd say, the only logical move is to make Henderson the 2nd GK and play him sparingly. If We want to replace De Gea We have to do it slowly.
Again I say, what makes you think Henderson would accept that - and why should he? You may be right about it turning out badly - that happened with a number of United kepeers. But DDG isn't just going through a blip... consistently making mistakes with no sign of getting back to his best. It looks as i will be spending lots of money in the summer and can cash in on him while having two possible replacements at the club
 

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think you'll find Fergie didn't always keep thing "in house". Becks spring to mind to mention only one. But what I am saying about Ole is he doesn't have to come and and praise DDG which is different from having a go in public... and neither are need when you just leave out a player who is clearly out of form as DDG is
I don’t recall Fergie airing the dirty washing with Beckham. Rather the other way around. What was clearly an accident resulted in Beckham rearranging his hair so the world could see his “injury”. I’d be surprised if Ferguson never let anything slip in 26 years but it would’ve been a rarity.
 

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Foster had two full seasons on loan at Watford and was fantastic. He had the talent. Pundits and fans praising him. Fergie saying he'll be United and England no.1

If you can't see the parallels between Hendersons situation and where Foster was then you're blind.
They really have different situation from the start:

Foster was already 22 when Fergie bought him, and used to play with defensive teams like Stoke and Watford.
Henderson has been here since he was a kid, used to play with attacking teams in the academy and Shefield is not a defensive team either.

Foster was injured when Fergie decided to make him a no. 2 behind VDS, and didin't played for a year, He had lost the momentum of his fantastic performance at Watford.
Henderson is barely miss this season, only 2 and its because he couldn't played against us.

Foster starts in a fantastic team who had won CL and PL, its put more pressure to him because he's the only one blame when we didn't got the result
Henderson would start in a team that still on rebuild mode, it gives him less pressure.

And Foster is not a bad GK either, he only has problem with confident and injuries.
 

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Romero is brilliant, I'd have him before Henderson.