FA W FA Cup Quarter-Finals

Norwich City 1:2 Manchester United

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Sat, 27 June 2020

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Absolutely battered them. Unsurprised they couldn’t hold out.
 

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How Ighalo isn't Motm amongst the CAF is beyond me. His contribution led to a 1 0 and their red card
 

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First bad game for Bruno? Don't attack me, asking to see if I am being tough and didn't see certain things.
Yea it was easily his worst game for us so far but I still liked what I saw effort wise and his still did some little things that paid dividends for us.

Liking the direction of the team when some of our best players can have bad performances, like Bruno and Rash, and we still dominate for the most part and come away with the victory.

That's what really separates the great teams from everyone else
 

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Glad to be through. First half was woeful. To be expected with the changes I suppose. Mata/lingard. Enough said. Fred looked like he travelled back in time to last October. It wasn’t great but it’s a cup knockout and getting in to the next round is all that matters.
 

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Mata 2/10
Lingard 2/10
Dalot 1/10
Bailly 3/10

All awful. Mata and Lingard just run around . Everything they do is ineffective. Dalot just isn’t Man United material, squad, reserves, and certainly not in the first 11. Technically, tactically and mentality not good enough. Bailly has a mistake in him every match, and he is so limited in his passing, he should never play in this situation. He's really a fourth or fifth best CB on a top 4 side. Break glass in case of emergency type.

I don't fault Ole for the performance. We've seen the starting 11 play quite well. I just think we have literally 15 reliable players in the first team, and if he wants to rotate, he doesn't have options at every position.

My only criticism of Ole is that he has to start 11 of those 15 every match. Get the lead, then cruise.
This is why I don't understand our fans. The level of impatience is outrageous. Everyone can now see that the players( Mata, Lingard, Pereira, Jones, Valencia, Fellaini, Herrera, Young and even the younger versions of Martial and Rashford) were not good or consistent enough to let us challenge for anything. We are now in a position where most of these players are gone, but the quality in depth we have particularly in attack do not provide the necessary skills to cut open defenses even in the most basic sense. Ole tried hard by making sure McGuire, Rashford, Bruno and AWB in particular play in almost every game due to his fear of poor performance from our squaddies. However overplaying rashford earlier in the season led to his back injury and Pogba simply hasn't been fit enough to be a factor this season.


You would think knowing about the shortages we have in depth in comparison to our rivals and the fact that our previous managers were known to be tactical geniuses that our fans would understand that tactics are not the reason for our shortcomings in many of our games. When Greenwood, Rashford or James do not play, we literally have no form of width in our attack. In addition, James isn't physical enough to use it effectively in the league, so does not provide a presence there for us. Even with Lingard, Pereira and Mata's level of centralization, they provide no proper link up play and in some cases are to slow( Mata) or lack the awareness ( Lingard and Pereira) to form any emblem of attacking structure or combination. Add that to the lack of width their unwillingness/lack of awareness to support the midfield and you have one clogged toilet of an attack relying solely on moments of brilliance from Bruno/Pogba ( he's suffered for many years with this tripe).
 

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Poor from the manager and coaching staff. Ighalo, Martial, Rashford, Greenwood, Bruno and Pogba, yet mentally we collapse into lumping it to Maguire in the box. It worked today, but isn’t effective football long term. A bit of a wake up call in what’s needed for top 4.
I don’t think that’s true at all.If anything we kept moving the ball outside the box too much and weren’t swinging crosses in. Even the goal came from a clever ball into the box from Pogba.
 

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Our second string formation is much worse than our first. Impressive by the staff to get this team so far with so many injuries to key players like Rashford, Martial, Pogba, Matic and no Bruno for the first half of the season. I understand why Ole wanted to rest most of his best players today but it nearly cost us. I think the players wants to show they can do better next game, can`t wait!
 

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First half was terrible yup. Everybody's first touches were so heavy and we had zero attacking threat from fullbacks and lack of creativity really showed

Ighalo's hold up play and general play is very intelligent and a bonus. Also there is a calmness I think Matic can bring to us at times and he's been decent and would prefer him behind Pogba and Fernandes as a starter with McFred rotating. We will just not do well at all against any half-decent team with Mata and Lingard starting.
 

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Frustrating game, but pleased with the result. Didn't fancy a shootout against Krul.
  • You can tell the difference between the first team players and the back up players.
  • Rashford still looks rusty
  • Bruno probably had his worst game for us yet wasn't terrible, shooting a bit off though.
  • Ighalo is proving skeptics wrong. chipped in with a goal and won the foul that got Klose sent off,
  • Dalot had a very quiet game
  • Mata doesn't have the pace to be right winger. If he plays, play him as a No 10
  • Shaw in the final third seemed to take too long on the ball. Seems to lack a cutting edge with possession. Defensively I thought he played well
  • Great game from Maguire
  • Krul had a good game, especially that save from Maguire's header
  • Pogba's pass:drool:, I do hope he stays
 

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its been a while since i've been that stressed. feck me. Bad day and we still managed it, i'll take it.

On a side note, no amount of rest is worth having lingard on the pitch
 

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I love Pogba and Martial's reaction to the winner, great to see the lads really caring. It should be a given I know, but we've had plenty of asshole play for us over the years who clearly didn't care.
 

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I was really worried that we're going into penalties, and Krul is great in those. You just never know what happens in penalties, especially with our previous experience with pens and Krul.

Old tactic of lumping the ball into the head of Fellaini Maguire thankfully worked wonders ;) :D
 

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Luke Shaw's inability to hold width in these games is an incredible pet peeve of mine. I can't see why he is shifting into the center during every single match, which is congesting the play in the attacking half around our other plays, and then we end up going backwards and having to do it all over again or losing the ball.

The fact that it happens every match makes me feel its a tactical decision, but it honestly doesn't make much sense.
It doesn't help that his movement bar once or twice is dreadful and it doesn't add anything at all.

But in general, it was dreadful today. Bruno looked exhausted, Greenwood looks like he's still adjusting to a change in his body. He looks so much more awkward now. Rashford went through it as well, so I imagine he'll get through it. Fred and McTominay have been so far below par. Dalot was ineffective. Romero had one thing to do and didn't do it. Bailly's brain was only at about 70%. Positional, he had a few weird moments that opened up space.

Lingard was, well, Lingard.
 
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Well that didn't go as planned but win is a win. Our first eleven was quite terrible, so many not good enough players. I didn't like how Shaw refused to attack time and time again. Was he instructed or is he just a coward?
 

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Too many changes, too many sloppy passes. Ole and players both to blame. Still struggling to break down well organised defences, even with only 10 men. At least we're through.
 

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Our 2nd string are quite a level below our first choice players. Without Pogba, Bruno and Rashford we still look quite poor, much like earlier in the season.

I wish OGS would make subs earlier. The big guns should have come on at half time. Did anyone really believe the combo of Mata and Lingard were going to improve after the break!?

I think Bruno might be rested for Brighton now, having played the whole 120 mins.
And yet they did? In fact we started the second half very well... And scored as a result.

It was actually the initial introduction of the first teamers that made us lose our control of the game...at 60 mins we were very comfortable
 

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Oh really? Haha it did seem a lot longer, although to be fair Norwich were the better team on balance before the sendoff.

In any case we're through, so hopefully that doesn't affect our next league games to much.
Yeah they were starting to create chances and had us on the back foot a few times.

As you say, the main thing is we're through.
 

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Thought starting Dalot and Mata on that right handside was a strange decision.
 

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He did look brighter in extra time. But yea he hasn't looked the same player since the restart
Agreed. I wonder if he hasn't fully recovered from his injury. I thought after subbing in late, he would run the Norwich defense ragged. But he was barely moving until extra time.
 

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Luke Shaw's inability to be in the correct position for receiving a simple lateral pass is driving me fecking crazy.

He always seems to have to check back or race towards the touch line. Happens once, its a probably a bad pass, but it happens way too much for a pro.

Typical FA cup game, too many changes against a premiership team.
 

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I thought we might win that quite easily until I saw the keeping everyone happy selection.

Still, Ole completely vindicated and we move on to the next one.
 

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I think it was the wrong move to start a weakened 11. I'd have gone for a strong starting team to try and put the game to bed early, that way we could've subbed off most of the ones we need fresh. Instead we had to play an extra 30 minutes and ended up playing our first 11 anyway, players like Maguire and Fernandes have now needlessly played 120 minutes.

This game doesn't tell us anything we didn't know, we need to seriously upgrade some of the fringe players because some of them are nowhere near up to scratch.
 

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That was just awful. The selection, the setup, the automated substitutions at the usual 60 odd mins.

It just reminded me of what used to be before Bruno came in and single handedly change fortunes.

That would have unnecessarily exhausted and potentially knocked us of our flow today. Will wait and see.
I thought the selection was correct.

The aim is to rest our players and we're not going to play Pogba, Martial & Rashford and at the same time we can't play all players who haven't been playing enough matches after 3 months break while Norwich have their starting XI full match fitness, thus why we still put Maguire, Shaw, Bruno, Fred & Scott.
 

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Shaw just gets in the way going forward
Lingard will be gone in the summer

One of those days where only the result matters
 

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tumescent game. Hard to expect anything decent with no pace, no width, and one decent technician. Shame we had to go for 2 hours. At least we're through.
 

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The number of times Luke Shaw was in space with time to put in a telling cross. Instead, he either sauntered up to a defender, who then blocked his attempted cross, or he rolled a simple five yards pass to a team mate, which gave the Norwich defence more time to get in position. So many of our attacks came to nothing from promising positions on the left.
 

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I thought the selection was correct.

The aim is to rest our players and we're not going to play Pogba, Martial & Rashford and at the same time we can't play all players who haven't been playing enough matches after 3 months break while Norwich have their starting XI full match fitness, thus why we still put Maguire, Shaw, Bruno, Fred & Scott.
The aim of resting players ultimately backfired though didnt it as we had to play an extra half an hour with even Martial coming on in extra time as a desperate 6th substitute.

Flanking Ighalo with both Mata and Lingard, with a midfield of Tom and Fred, that was only going to go one way. There was no creativity, no penetration and it transpired to exactly the sort of stuff we witnessed pre-Bruno - except not even he could save that shower.
 

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This is why I don't understand our fans. The level of impatience is outrageous. Everyone can now see that the players( Mata, Lingard, Pereira, Jones, Valencia, Fellaini, Herrera, Young and even the younger versions of Martial and Rashford) were not good or consistent enough to let us challenge for anything. We are now in a position where most of these players are gone, but the quality in depth we have particularly in attack do not provide the necessary skills to cut open defenses even in the most basic sense. Ole tried hard by making sure McGuire, Rashford, Bruno and AWB in particular play in almost every game due to his fear of poor performance from our squaddies. However overplaying rashford earlier in the season led to his back injury and Pogba simply hasn't been fit enough to be a factor this season.


You would think knowing about the shortages we have in depth in comparison to our rivals and the fact that our previous managers were known to be tactical geniuses that our fans would understand that tactics are not the reason for our shortcomings in many of our games. When Greenwood, Rashford or James do not play, we literally have no form of width in our attack. In addition, James isn't physical enough to use it effectively in the league, so does not provide a presence there for us. Even with Lingard, Pereira and Mata's level of centralization, they provide no proper link up play and in some cases are to slow( Mata) or lack the awareness ( Lingard and Pereira) to form any emblem of attacking structure or combination. Add that to the lack of width their unwillingness/lack of awareness to support the midfield and you have one clogged toilet of an attack relying solely on moments of brilliance from Bruno/Pogba ( he's suffered for many years with this tripe).
Preaching to the choir. I don’t blame Ole. He inherited the mess and it has turned around IMHO.

I think he knows this, but was hoping we’d get lucky with a couple of defensive errors, a moment of magic from Bruno, and we’d cruise. But he has to know that a starting 11 with those four will mean a potentially dreadful performance. Rolled the dice and lost. Oh well. On to the semis.
 

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I thought the selection was correct.

The aim is to rest our players and we're not going to play Pogba, Martial & Rashford and at the same time we can't play all players who haven't been playing enough matches after 3 months break while Norwich have their starting XI full match fitness, thus why we still put Maguire, Shaw, Bruno, Fred & Scott.
I agree

Also our first XI were 1-0 up and totally comfortable before the subs happened...
 

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Preaching to the choir. I don’t blame Ole. He inherited the mess and it has turned around IMHO.

I think he knows this, but was hoping we’d get lucky with a couple of defensive errors, a moment of magic from Bruno, and we’d cruise. But he has to know that a starting 11 with those four will mean a potentially dreadful performance. Rolled the dice and lost. Oh well. On to the semis.
We have a fixture pile up coming and have already experienced injuries to both Martial and Rashford this season. I'm surprise he didn't start Greenwood or James today, but I'm sure he's scared of burning them out ( James is already burnt out). FA cup was one of the few games we could afford to sacrifice our forwards for as we are in the run in. We are clearly chasing 4th as our first priority with the FA cup and Europa League after that so it makes sense.
 

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The aim of resting players ultimately backfired though didnt it as we had to play an extra half an hour with even Martial coming on in extra time as a desperate 6th substitute.

Flanking Ighalo with both Mata and Lingard, with a midfield of Tom and Fred, that was only going to go one way. There was no creativity, no penetration and it transpired to exactly the sort of stuff we witnessed pre-Bruno - except not even he could save that shower.
Who the feck is Tom? :lol:

Playing the big guns for 60 min from the start or playing them for 60 min from the bench. Mathematically, you see no difference. I'm sure there are 3x more of our fans believe that playing all the big guns from the start is the worse idea and they would rather us to rest players. Bruno is in the team to provide the creativity unfortunately he wasn't as great as he normally does today. I think the starting XI makes sense.
 

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The aim of resting players ultimately backfired though didnt it as we had to play an extra half an hour with even Martial coming on in extra time as a desperate 6th substitute.

Flanking Ighalo with both Mata and Lingard, with a midfield of Tom and Fred, that was only going to go one way. There was no creativity, no penetration and it transpired to exactly the sort of stuff we witnessed pre-Bruno - except not even he could save that shower.
The first 11 picked was winning pre substitutions.
 

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Thought we were really poor until the substitutions, Fernandes struggled with the lack of pace in the team as there was no one to run in behind the Norwich defence and it meant us just moving the ball from side to side without any penetration although Ighalo’s hold up play was good.

Lingard and Mata were non existent and I think I’d rather see Chong and Gomes play instead of them going forward, I’d keep Mata around but only play him in worst case scenarios or when experience is needed.

Dalot and Bailly both need games as they looked off the pace and Shaw wasn’t much better, all in all it was a really poor performance but we won so kept momentum and we’re a step closer to a final which if we won could really be a launch pad.
 

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I haven't seen very many Norwich games, but Cantwell always impresses me
Made a thread about him earlier in the season, really hope we bring him in to back Fernandes up. Our current options aren't up to much and he's quality.
 

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