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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
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He’s better than Pogba to some in the 3 man midfield thread
I don’t see it either, he’s a willing player whose improved but fans on here didn’t even rate Fletcher & McTom is no Fletcher.
Isn't it? I see bang average midfielder. Last few games are perfect example what you get when you play with creative midfielders and what you get when you play with players who play "with their heart".
Very true
Who's coming on here after a game like that to slag off United players?
I actually thought he looked decent. Showed his deceptively good feet with that dribble to the touchline. Showed how cleanly he always seems to be able to hit a shot. Very difficult to come on and be Paul Pogba's replacement while simultaneously Bruno Fernandes is taken off for Pereira. Of course our control over the midfield area diminished.
I actually thought he looked decent. Showed his deceptively good feet with that dribble to the touchline. Showed how cleanly he always seems to be able to hit a shot. Very difficult to come on and be Paul Pogba's replacement while simultaneously Bruno Fernandes is taken off for Pereira. Of course our control over the midfield area diminished.
He was ok after Brighton gave up on the game the last 15 minutes,.
I think we needed his physicality but Fred is a better Pogba replacement than him. And he's definitely not a Matic replacement
McTominay is a good player but Fred is better. I think Fred is getting hard done by here, by a bit of favoritism.
Agree with this. Not a matter of quality but of role. At the moment Pogba and Matic provide control, while Bruno takes risks and creates. Fred is more of a 'control' player than McTominay, who despite his tackling and aggression tends to perform better the more he gets forward. Bringing him on for Pogba at that point in the game today probably didn't do him any favours, although I don't think he did badly.
Where is Fred?
He played well!
Grossly underated on here imo. Love the way he puts himself about. He's in the category of midfielders with big frames who are difficult to play against. He can put his stamp on a game. There's certainly goals in him. He's hard as nails yet not over the top. Invaluable player for us!
He's energetic and works hard, but that's pretty much the extent of his usefulness. He's almost 24, he gotta pick up the pace soon, gotta work on the other aspects of his game.
I actually think Nemanja Matić’s stunning form will ultimately result in a better Scott McTominay. Kind of like what happened in a reverse way when Nemanja couldn’t get in ahead of Scott. Scott has shown to be that type of character, he has the mentality to meet the challenge.
For now, even as one of his biggest supporters on this forum, you cannot argue that Scott is 4th choice for the mid-3. Some would argue for Fred of course.
But at least he had a nice showing when he came on for 25 minutes yday. I thought he was woeful against Norwich, worst I’ve seen him, so at least we saw glimpses of positivity yesterday.
Big up Matić though, he was stunning last night.
For now, even as one of his biggest supporters on this forum, you cannot argue that Scott is 4th choice for the mid-3. Some would argue for Fred of course.
But at least he had a nice showing when he came on for 25 minutes yday. I thought he was woeful against Norwich, worst I’ve seen him, so at least we saw glimpses of positivity yesterday.
Big up Matić though, he was stunning last night.
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Gary Neville reckons he could be a center back for us. Would save us a few bob on a center back........
Gary Neville believes Scott McTominay has the ‘aggression’, ‘speed’ and ‘understanding’ to play in central defence and urged Ole Gunnar Solskjaer to experiment with him at the back during Manchester United’s 3-0 win over Brighton.
https://metro.co.uk/2020/07/01/gary...iteds-win-brighton-12926843/?ito=newsnow-feed
Brian McClair reckons too
https://www.joe.co.uk/sport/new-pos...ster-united-midfielder-scott-mctominay-168194
So does Cascarino
https://www.footballtransfertavern....uld-become-a-centre-back-says-tony-cascarino/
Gary Neville believes Scott McTominay has the ‘aggression’, ‘speed’ and ‘understanding’ to play in central defence and urged Ole Gunnar Solskjaer to experiment with him at the back during Manchester United’s 3-0 win over Brighton.
https://metro.co.uk/2020/07/01/gary...iteds-win-brighton-12926843/?ito=newsnow-feed
Brian McClair reckons too
https://www.joe.co.uk/sport/new-pos...ster-united-midfielder-scott-mctominay-168194
So does Cascarino
https://www.footballtransfertavern....uld-become-a-centre-back-says-tony-cascarino/
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He needs to work on his positioning. He stands to close to matic at times. There was a point in the game when matic had the ball and mctominay tried to make himself available for the pass by drifting towards him???? He will learn with time better areas of the pitch to position himself in without congesting our midfield in possession.
we have lots of easy games coming up we’re he could improve.
we have lots of easy games coming up we’re he could improve.
Glad someone else noticed this. He tends to position himself in places where he can't get out of.
He is still young and learning. We just need to monitor his progress. He has Carrick, Pogba, Bruno and Matic to learn from.
The standard is set, he needs to reach those standards to be able to get in the team.
The standard is set, he needs to reach those standards to be able to get in the team.
Cleverley got constantly shit on for putting in similar performances but this guy gets praised to no end.
He is distinctly average like Lingard, Pereira and James.
It was no surprise that midfield lost control once he and Pereira come on.
Fred is a much better player than him and it's deluded to think otherwise.
He is distinctly average like Lingard, Pereira and James.
It was no surprise that midfield lost control once he and Pereira come on.
Fred is a much better player than him and it's deluded to think otherwise.
He said something similar in Jose‘s last Season at the start, he said he didn’t think Mctominay had the ability to play in midfield for United. I can kind of see where he’s coming from tbh.
Here is the thing. And it goes for James, McT, Lingard and before them with Cleverley, Welbeck etc...;
Man Utd fans want attacking football. Creative, dominant, skilful and fun to watch. While at the same time most of those fans defend players like McT with phrases like hard working, big heart or great character.
Here is the news for you all; attacking and creative football when you are over the moon how your team looks great ( Su and Brighton games) does not go with technically average players.
Even dmc position today needs a player who knows with the ball (Matic).
In short; he must upgrade his technique and learn from Matic. He could be very useful on dmc.
A very useful Squad player, We cant have 22 Bruno's in our team.
I know he hit that pass yesterday but Matic isnt very creative?
Far better with far more potential than the players you’ve mentioned.
He’s been far more influential than Lingard, Pereira and James put together this season. When he was out injured for three weeks with his ankle after the Brighton win, he came back and we beat Spurs and City back-to-back, and he was among the best performers in each game, no question.
And Fred isn’t “much better”, the guy couldn’t hit a barn door, Scott has 4 goals in the prem he has 0.
I think there is something in this. I wouldn't mind see him played there . He has all the skillset for becoming a rock solid Centre back
Depends on what you mean by creative. Creativity (at least for me) is not just to make killer through ball.
Matic has pretty good ball control. He can shield the ball very well, he is calm in doing that and his passing skills are not bad. Plus his decision making and football inteligence is high.
McT struggles in all that.
Scott was fine yesterday and is fine in general. Energy and dynamism in the midfield with the ability to break up the opposition play. Needs to improve technically but Rome wasn't built in a day.
He’s decent, and seems to have his head in the right place for this club. For me, he’s better than Darren Fletcher was at the same age. For the role he plays, the more experience he has, the better he’ll be.
It’s hard to judge because young Fletcher was playing with ballers like Rooney, Ronaldo, Ruud, Scholes, Keane, Rio, Giggs etc. So he really stuck out like a sore thumb with his inferior quality. The only players we have close to that level now is Pogba & Bruno, and when McT replaced them against Norwich & Brighton the difference in quality stood out like a sore thumb. His lack of quality hasn’t been as noticeable because he’s spent a lot of time alongside Fred, Pereira, Lingard, James etc. Put him in Fletchers position in that mid 2000s team & I think he looks just as bad if not worse.
He is average. McTominay fits into a Manchester United team that is utter crap like we were in the first half of the season, but he sticks out like a sore thumb when putting him amongst real Manchester United quality players.
I have been saying this for a while, but you cannot have a player in the team who cannot pass. Matic showed exactly why you need players who can pass properly in every midfield position; it is unacceptable that Manchester United have a midfielder who only has 79.8% chance, in the Premier League, of passing to their teammate. He is not Manchester United quality.
In a thread about Rice, people were saying he was not good enough. I agree, but he is no worse than McTominay. At least Rice can pass the ball (pass accuracy 86% - equal key passes at a lesser club, more assists, and more long balls). If Rice isn't good enough, McTominay isn't good enough.
I swear he gets better ratings just because he is McTominay; he did absolutely nothing when he came on against Brighton. Pereira got a rating of 5.4, while McTominay got 6.1. Why? I am not saying that Pereira was anything short of bad, but McTominay was no better than him. That is a sign of bias rating.
There is a post above that pundits etc. think he could be a centre back option, and that is a telling sign; they don't think he is good enough for the midfield, otherwise, why would they be saying it?
I have been saying this for a while, but you cannot have a player in the team who cannot pass. Matic showed exactly why you need players who can pass properly in every midfield position; it is unacceptable that Manchester United have a midfielder who only has 79.8% chance, in the Premier League, of passing to their teammate. He is not Manchester United quality.
In a thread about Rice, people were saying he was not good enough. I agree, but he is no worse than McTominay. At least Rice can pass the ball (pass accuracy 86% - equal key passes at a lesser club, more assists, and more long balls). If Rice isn't good enough, McTominay isn't good enough.
I swear he gets better ratings just because he is McTominay; he did absolutely nothing when he came on against Brighton. Pereira got a rating of 5.4, while McTominay got 6.1. Why? I am not saying that Pereira was anything short of bad, but McTominay was no better than him. That is a sign of bias rating.
There is a post above that pundits etc. think he could be a centre back option, and that is a telling sign; they don't think he is good enough for the midfield, otherwise, why would they be saying it?
McTominay has a lower pass % because he actually tries to pass forward with pace and impetus rather than sideways. Stop using pass % as a metric to compare midfielders, its dumb. Also he's very young and this is arguably his first season as a full on first team player. Add to that the defensive midfielders are generally late bloomers (Matic himself is a perfect example of this) and I have high hopes for him. Is he good enough yet for a title winning team? Probably not, but he comes across as very driven and committed so I wouldn't bet against him becoming a top player by the time he's 25-26.
As an aside, this constant habit of putting down our players, especially the young ones and limiting their potential in our own heads is tiring.
With Fred he did good in a lot of the games this season, let's not forget how poor we were when he was out. Now that we have Pogba back, yeah he looks way worse but a lot of players would by comparison. He also had Pereira in front so that didn't help.
Pass completion is extremely relevant when combined with other passing stats. What you said is also not true, as McTominay makes fewer progressive passes than any midfielder in the team. He makes fewer passes in general; he makes less successful long balls; he makes fewer key passes. Let us not start pretending he is like Bruno Fernandes with the way he continually tries to make forward passes because he is not.
The bolded bit is a load of rubbish. What is there to discuss if we hide everything behind 'he is young.' It is stupid. We could say that about every single youth player we have ever had, or any other club has ever had. He is a very limited player, who is now getting on 24.
Player for the big games, the games where we need to press and rush opponents. Basically the games where we're not guaranteed the majority of possession, and don't need to patiently break down defences.
I don't expect to see much of him in the league from here on in due to our opponents/how well Matic-Bruno-Pogba are playing.
I don't expect to see much of him in the league from here on in due to our opponents/how well Matic-Bruno-Pogba are playing.
I'm still not sold on McTomminay tbh and still fell he needs to find himself as a player. It's no good being jack of all trades if you're nowhere close to being master at any of them.
This thread sounds like a broken record, boring cycle.
When we're up against small teams, the criticizers who only focused on the negatives will come out and blast him.
When we're up against big teams, those posters generally stayed away or silent.
Oh come on, surely by now it's obvious that he's a limited player. In general, not useful vs the weak teams, but very useful in big games. Our best squads during fergie years had plenty of that kind of squad players. The good thing is, he is silently improving. So let's see how him improvements will be. If it's a huge leap, he may become a starter, if not, doesn't matter, he's a good squad player already.
When we're up against small teams, the criticizers who only focused on the negatives will come out and blast him.
When we're up against big teams, those posters generally stayed away or silent.
Oh come on, surely by now it's obvious that he's a limited player. In general, not useful vs the weak teams, but very useful in big games. Our best squads during fergie years had plenty of that kind of squad players. The good thing is, he is silently improving. So let's see how him improvements will be. If it's a huge leap, he may become a starter, if not, doesn't matter, he's a good squad player already.
Bias?
That's odd, is McT one of the popular favourites of the caf? doubt it. His rating is slightly better than Rashford who is a caf favourite no? and by your theory should have higher ratings?
Has favouritism ever affected the caf ratings so much? It's on average and generally the ratings of players are spot on.
So could it be just maybe.. jusst maybe.. because McT actually tried to do things and performed more than the lower ratings players eg. Pereira.
Absolutely nothing?
That actually supports the point that McTominay gets bonus points for being McTominay; he gets a higher rating far easier than other players. In a lot of games, he does very little yet still ends up with absurdly high ratings in comparison to his teammates. E.g. Against Everton, he was completely invisible (absolutely awful performance), yet still he got the same rating as Fred, who created chances and won the ball back more. Fred was better both defensively and attacking that game and still, McTominay got the same rating.
McTominay's ratings are inflated because he is 'young' and came from the 'youth system'.
Just read the comments on here; there seems to be a blind spot for him with a lot of commenters.
There is no way he has been better than Rashford this season.
Rashford, Pogba, and Martial have worse average ratings than McTominay. Are we seriously saying he has been better than them?
From all the average ratings I have looked at, it seems only Fernandes has been better than McTominay. That shows bias for me. There is no way he has been our second-best player this season.
What did he try to do against Brighton? He had one shot, which was deflected. That was it. As soon as he came one, we played far worse; he gave away the ball and kept on getting in the way most of the time. Does that earn him a 6.1 rating instead of the 5.3 rating of Pereira? (These were the ratings last time I checked.)
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We played worse when Pogba and Fernandes came off and the game was already won?
Stop the presses.
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